...and delivering yet another blow to all those who say MKD sucks. They can't really argue this one. It's directly from the players, not a bunch of magazine editors.

Ya, its about time Mortal Kombat gains some resepect back...

Has anybody read the entire article?How do they argue the fact that MK:D has 20+ infinite combos?How do they argue that MK:D's frame data basically doesn't make any sense?How do they argue that MK:D is all about simple 50/50 mix ups?What about the ridiculously broken characters like BRC and Dairou who don't even have any prcatical infinite combos but still manage to be top tier easily?What about the lack of a wake-up game,throw escapes,oki,wall stuns,ect.?Does the article make any mention of this?

If so,please share it.Saying "Deception's combination of Puzzle Kombat, Chess, and the time-consuming Konquest mode shot it to the number one slot" just proves my theory that this is simply yet another award by people who don't know what they're talking about,much less know how the game is played at high level play.

That's golden, another bunch of idiots who don't know what they're talking about.



ahhh yes that's right, because a tetris rip off has lots to do with a beat em up being good

and i'm sure people spent all that time and effort in konquest mode because it adds to it's quality as a fighting game, not because people just wanted to unlock secrets, not at all

What have we learnt today kiddies? don't trust the media, whether it's tv, websites or magazines.

Well what truely great fighting games came out last year? The best fighting game to come out last year was Street Fighter Anniversary Collection and that wasn't anything new (but still better than what came out).

I am curious though, how many awards did MKDA win? I think in 2002 VF 4 took all the best fighting game of the year awards. It will be interesting to see how many awards MKD for GC get this year with Tekken 5 and Soul Calibur 3 as competition (even if MKD was new, I doubt it would win any).

Dude, this was the reader's choice awards. It was voted on by players, not some review crew. I think the players know what they're talking about, and it's obvious that all the little missing features you so called "high level" players(a term I find amusing, btw) weren't needed to make this a good game. If they were, the players wouldn't have chose it as their favorite, simple as that.

You're trying to hard.

When will you understand?No reasonable person who knows how MK:D is at high level play would give this game any credit whatsoever.How do you argue all the facts I put in my previous post?MK:D is basically all about infinite combos if you really want to play to win.Infinite combos result in poor competition and gameplay,and that's exactly why you will NEVER see MK:D reach any kind of tournaments besides the online ones.But even without the infinite combos,all MK:D is is a 50/50 mix up.That's all.That's all the game comes down to.People who seek variety and depth will stay away from MK:D and call it trash (which many people already do).

You need to understand that MK:D was created for the casual gamer mostly.People who search for depth and better fighting games will not play this because there is Tekken 5 and VF as 3D fighters.

Do you also see the banner on the left on this site sometimes?
"Evolution 2005 - The fighting game championship.The MK community must rise!"

LOL.The MK community consists of 85%+ of casual gamers who don't even know anything about the competitive nature of fighting games.Boon needs to deliver first and make up for a lot of shitty work he has done,then people might actually look at his games and play them at the most advanced and popular tournaments in the world.Until this happens,this is a joke.

This is as far as I read, since I don't find it necessary to read the same crap that has been spewed out by you "high level" players(again, a term I find amusing) over and over again. And how am I trying too hard? I'm not the one trying to convince everyone the game is crap by posting multiple paragraph posts about shit 95% of the MK community could probably care less about. I mean really, how many times do we have to read about frame & universal tracking mumbo jumbo? The game is what it is. Stop trying to ruin it for everyone else. This is a congrats thread for Midway. You want to bitch about infinite combos and throw escapes, do it in the threads dedicated to those subjects. Personally, if I was a mod here, I would start considering every post that has the words "infinite, frame, tracking, etc." spam and start deleting it all.

Mumbo jumbo?!!

I'm going to make a list of people's who's posts on threads like these are to be ignored due to lack of knowledge on the subject, you're my first, congrats.

LOL. Wow simply wow. I'll tell you a secret. Frames are the reason fighting games work. Even deception use's frames so you're calling it mumbo jumbo is just humorous. If you ever learn what frames are you'll probably laugh at yourself over that one.

3D games use frames? And deception does, too? Really? Wow, I didn't know that.(I hope you caught the sarcasm)
When I referred to those topics as "mumbo jumbo" it was meant to describle game aspects that most people have no knowledge of.

What's funny is that you all think you're so smart and such "high level" players(once again, very amusing) by talking about complicated aspects of a game, like framerate and tracking. What's even funnier is that you think I'm some moron who has no idea what those things are. I received my masters in Computer Information Systems in 2002 and just landed a civil service job with the City of Buffalo as a programmer, so I'm not stupid. Furthurmore, you probably have no idea of the amount of work that goes into the subjects you keep referring to, and how hard it is to get them perfect. Boon & Co. have made two games with their new fighting engine, and are probably still experiementing with it. Seeing what will work, and what won't. I'm sure they know all about the things you guys keep mentioning, but just didn't have time to finish ironing out all the little details. We all know MKDA and MKD seemed unfinished just by looking at all the content and features they wanted to add but couldn't because of time constraints from Midway. So like I said, the game is what it is, and constantly reminding us all here about it's minor shortcomings is getting old. Bitching doesn't do anyone here any good.

I don't think I'm smart.Playing fighting games competitively and studying them will make you a "high level" player.It's something everybody has the ability to do with desire and the proper competition.That's really all a "high level" player is.

As for the engine,you're wrong.They're not experimenting with anything anymore.When you make a broken game (MK:D) even more broken than the previous one (MK:DA),then you can't tell me they've experimented here.It doesn't take a genius to figure out that without a wake-up game,the game becomes pure 50/50 mix ups.In MK:D,it's even worse of course because the throws are unblockable and sometimes act as juggle starters.This is where testing the game comes in.MK:D has never been tested and I refused to believe that it has been tested.You do know now that after a new found glitch EVERY character in MK:D has a time infinite combo/infinite combo?This is simply pathetic.

Now,people like you say "I don't care about this shit and I will never bitch about it",but then when the game comes out even they wonder why there are so many infinite combos in the game.Why?Because you don't care about the most important part of a fighting game - the fighting engine.Then,Boon acts accordingly and gives us an untested and broken game with lots of content,because that's what actually the "majority" asked for.

Bitching does help.And I hope the next MK will have at least a wake-up game as a start and some minor testing.

Absolutely not. I'll make a new thread about this subject on the Future MK Games forum, because this discussion is getting way too off-topic. (As it always does with the anti-MK crowd). If you guys want to discuss something you didn't like about MKD, put it in a different thread.

Getting back on discussion, go MKD! Definitely the best fighting game of 2004, w00t! Congratulations Midway.

I don't think I'm smart because I know about something as basic as frames. If I want to feel intelligent I can look at various test scores. Most people don't know how a telephone works but they know they use a telephone. People use frames if they play a game. No way around it no matter how stupid or smart you think you are you still use frames if you play a fighting game.

Let me see if I can educate you a bit. First using your education or your job to show your intelligence isn't even close to a fool proof method. Quite honestly your job can be learned and maintained by a person with a below average IQ that has enough determination to learn. It doesn't require a high IQ to learn to be a computer programmer. I know it's a shock but just because you are a college graduate doesn't mean you are intelligent even if you manage to get a nice job that doesn't mean you are intelligent. It could mean you aren't stupid but being not stupid and being intelligent are quite different really. I know you may not believe this but one of the smartest people I've met in my life was a homeless person. So you see telling me that you are smart cuz you got a degree and a job doesn't mean much especially when a person without a job and without a degree has a higher IQ than 99.9% of the planet but hey keep telling yourself that you're smart and I'm an elitist because I pointed out that mumbo jumbo regarding frames is stupid. Frames make the game work period.

I'd like to point out how you said that you know 3D games use frames. I know it must be a shock but this mumbo jumbo of frames is used in 2d games too. You see it's a vital part of a fighting engine on 2D AND 3D games. Learn something new everyday dont cha.

Now as for the comment that I don't know what it takes well you're wrong. I'm well aware what it takes to be a programmer and I'm well aware how a CP in a video game company works. I'm also well aware that you are full of shit when you say they are testing and they can't get it right. Lets see it doesn't take a genius, homeless or otherwise, to realize that -60 frames on a blocked jab is, well, moronic. I'd hate to point out that virtua fighter 1 didn't have that problem yet it was a brand new concept and tekken 1 didn't have that problem. Ok let me say this again it doesn't take a genius, homeless or otherwise, to realize -60 frames on a blocked jab is bad. It doesnt take a genius to realize -20 frames on a blocked jab is bad. It also doesn't take a genius to realize that being able to move before you can block again is a flaw in the programming. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a sidestep resetting the timer on special moves is a bad idea. It doesn't take a genius to realize a throw being unbreakable and unblockable on a 3d engine is a bad thing.

So do you consider it a minor shortcoming every character has an infinite? Do you consider it a minor shortcoming that a blocked jab can turn into a loss? Do you think it's a minor problem that there is NO wakeup? Even SF 2 has wakeup. Do you think they can't know already that horrible frame use, no throw escapes, no wakeup, and tons of infinites isn't good? I personally think you are being rather insulting of boon and his staffs intelligence. Isn't it also insulting to say that complaining about the system won't help? I mean it's obviously, by your own admission, flawed. Yet midway can't use some input on this? I mean which is it are they super smart or super stupid?

MK: Deception should be awarded the brokest fighting game ever award

Absolutely not. I'll make a new thread about this subject on the Future MK Games forum, because this discussion is getting way too off-topic. (As it always does with the anti-MK crowd). If you guys want to discuss something you didn't like about MKD, put it in a different thread.

Absolutely yes.Why do you think T5 is more like TTT and T3 and not like T4?Because people complained and Namco adjusted the game accordingly.

You call me part of the "anti-MK crowd"?You are kidding me.If anything,you administrators should appreciate people on this forum who know what they're talking about (TruKing,Konqrr,HDTran,etc.) because these people will stand up and criticise the game with gameplay related facts.Besides,do you seriously expect all of the people to buy this award crap?With all due respect,but you should stop posting it.All it does is give Boon confidence that he's done the right thing.

Also,save yourself that thread.How about giving us a strategy forum like other fighting game sites?Anyway,let people complain about it.Maybe some day MK will not be laughed at by the competitive crowd.

Yes, the competitive crowd. Being generous, probably 5% of the total people who bought MKD, if that. I'm just guessing but 5% of a million or so people probably won't be enough to catch Midway's attention.

Bitching really does help. I remember people bitching that MKDA only had 1 fatality and no stage fatalities and If it wasn't for that bitching, MKD wouldn't have 2 fatalities or death traps.

And what is this "anti-MK" crowd you are talking about. Are you talking about the people that give great idea's that would improve MK's fighting engine, the people that want ed boon and midway to focus on gameplay and not gimmicks and the now dead shock value, and the people that want MK to become a deep and competitive fighting game instead of a shallow game filled with people that take advantage of the easy glitches and easy infinites (don't blame the people that do these, blame midway for release such a shoddy and unfinished game). I am sorry, but how are these people that actually want to improve this once great series "anti-MK"?

Uhhh, hello. They planned on having stage fatalities in MKDA , but I'm assuming they ran out of time to finish them. Check the kontent. And they probably planned on two fatalities for MKD anyways. So don't think that what you just said had much to do with it.

Yes, the competitive crowd. Being generous, probably 5% of the total people who bought MKD, if that. I'm just guessing but 5% of a million or so people probably won't be enough to catch Midway's attention.

It's more than that.All people who play online and know about the infinite combos know that this game is quite lame.

It's just amazing how the whole MK community isn't complaining.Are fatalities,content,and super unlockables all you guys really care in MK,or in fighting game generally?So,as long as the media advertises this product and Boon hypes it up,it must be a good game?

Anyway,I suggest that Boon make an MK for people who actually want to play the fighting of the game.As for those who don't,how about lots of fatalities,content,endings,and super,secret,extremely-hard-to-obtain unlockables?In addition,since these people could really careless about anything fighting related anyway,just put two life bars in the upper left and right corner for each player and put four buttons that do different things.So,you got life bars and buttons to hit your opponents with (just to make it look like a fighting game).Seriously,why should Boon even bother making any kind of testings anyway for some of you people if you're just going to play the game because of its content and atmosphere?

i side with m2dave. its bloody broken and he's trying to help the game not put down the game non construcively. i don't claim to be smart but to be a good gamer you seriously need to know how the game works and if you don't know one thing about how the game works i don't think that's casual gaming. and its true about the online inifinites. visit konqrr.com. there's like 2 infinites per character.

i'll probably feel the force of flaming. so i can say that this non congrats thing could be posted on another thread but people can voice their opinions and you shouldn't get mad at m2dave for stating true statements unless what he said was bs which is not. i appreciate mkd for the fun factor but in truth i was let down by the glitches and that's why i think the review is a little optimistic. and those glitches are not minor shortcomings IMO. its your opinion. you can flame me all you want. don't expect me to reply on this board.

MK won deal with it God damn,im tired of hearing all of these tekken complainers.

No one here is complaining because they like tekken. Seriously, stop looking at it as if we are here to put down Mk. We are just MK fans who want more in a MK game besides a story and fatalities.