I wouldn't call Frost evil... She just had too much ambition and paid the price. Sub Zero is a good guy though and through training will show her the error of her ways. I wouldn't worry too much about Frost being evil.

Who's your other favorite character? I'm assuming Frost, Nitara and...?

I would actually like Frost better if she was evil. It would be so cool to see her try to kill Sub, or kill him.

Frost is not gonna killl no god damn sub zero, HE IS THE GRANDMASTER OF THE LIN KUEI. That's like sakura tring to kill SHIN GOUKI. And another thing, Frost couldn't even control the power of the amulet but SUB could. (point in case the amulet is more powerful than FROST)

queve Wrote: I would actually like Frost better if she was evil. It would be so cool to see her try to kill Sub, or kill him.

This is another reason why i hate bitches in fighting game. Muthafuckas always try to put a weak ass girl (not even a grown woman yet, haven't even breached puberty) against a powerful ass man. Then complain after she is DESTROYED.

gouki_shangtsung Wrote: This is another reason why i hate bitches in fighting game. Muthafuckas always try to put a weak ass girl (not even a grown woman yet, haven't even breached puberty) against a powerful ass man. Then complain after she is DESTROYED.

Wow, way to make an ass outta yourself there. *claps*

I think Frost died after she tried to take the amulet from Sub-Zero? Am I right? Because if I am, i doubt Frost will even be present in MK6, by the way, just a guess, but is your other fave character Mavado Nitara2Frost?

Ass out of myself!?!?so you mean to tell me that sakura could kill shin gouki and frost can kill subzero. IF that were true what would be the point of Sub earning the title of grandmaster, and what would be the point of shin gouki's title of supreme master of the fist????I guess jubilee could kill magneto then right. I would love to see hibiki challenge strider or Hanzo!!!!

DanHibikiFan Wrote: gouki_shangtsung Wrote: This is another reason why i hate bitches in fighting game. Muthafuckas always try to put a weak ass girl (not even a grown woman yet, haven't even breached puberty) against a powerful ass man. Then complain after she is DESTROYED. Wow, way to make an ass outta yourself there. *claps*

I hope to see Frost return as a frozen statue in a MK6 level.

but she remains a secret playable character, example: playing on the mk6 level at a certain moment during batle or after, you will have to press certain buttons, this activating a sequens of Frost freeing her self from the "ice", she will now fight you, if you will defeat her she will be a playable character.

gouki_shangtsung Wrote: Ass out of myself!?!?so you mean to tell me that sakura could kill shin gouki and frost can kill subzero. IF that were true what would be the point of Sub earning the title of grandmaster, and what would be the point of shin gouki's title of supreme master of the fist????I guess jubilee could kill magneto then right. I would love to see hibiki challenge strider or Hanzo!!!! font>

Did I say that? I just happen to think that you're opinion was a tad on the ignorant side. How do you know that Frost couldn't beat Sub Zero? Point is, you don't. Just being a "master" doesn't make you unbeatable, just that you have more experience and wisdom. Those are not guarenteed to win a fight. And who said Frost couldn't pull another sneak attack like she did the first time? Sub Zero is a very trusting fellow, y'know.

I just didn't like how you basically said that female characters are weak and suck.

Imagine if Sakura were to get the training from Ryu like she always wanted? Imagine how strong she could be considering that she learned all of her fighting techniques by herself.

Akari from the Last Blade can't be more than thirteen yet she is one of the most powerful (and cheap) fighters in the game.

Uriko from Bloody Roar is maybe 16 and yet she has the most potential to become the strongest character in her series. She was the boss in the original Bloody Roar no less.

Point is, it is rather dumb to underestimate ANY character. Especially when you base your prejudices on sex. Thanks.

First of all I know that frost couldn't beat sub because knowledge=power. Therefore if i know more about you than you know about yourself you will be destroyed. Second, more experience doesn't guarantee a victory, but you will be hard to beat. That's why major cooperations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ther own personal lawyers just to make sure that if an average nobody tries to take them to court they won't win. Thirdly, Only a fool would fall to another sneak attack esp. from the same hoe. Female character do suck and are weak because when they are in a game the designers/programmers always tone the men down just to give the bitches a fighting chance.(The primary example CVS2)
Now here is where you show your ignorance sakura got her training from Gouki, because Ryu turned her away feeling that he himself was still learning.(that's why she turns dark in the vs. series) Also, saying that I base my prejudice on sex and underestimating characters is dumb, means that you didn't understand what I said. I didn't say that bitches were to be underestimated I just said that they were weak againt these powerful men. Oh, one more thing. xmen child of atom, spiral was my favorite female char.

DanHibikiFan Wrote: gouki_shangtsung Wrote: Ass out of myself!?!?so you mean to tell me that sakura could kill shin gouki and frost can kill subzero. IF that were true what would be the point of Sub earning the title of grandmaster, and what would be the point of shin gouki's title of supreme master of the fist????I guess jubilee could kill magneto then right. I would love to see hibiki challenge strider or Hanzo!!!! font> Did I say that? I just happen to think that you're opinion was a tad on the ignorant side. How do you know that Frost couldn't beat Sub Zero? Point is, you don't. Just being a "master" doesn't make you unbeatable, just that you have more experience and wisdom. Those are not guarenteed to win a fight. And who said Frost couldn't pull another sneak attack like she did the first time? Sub Zero is a very trusting fellow, y'know. I just didn't like how you basically said that female characters are weak and suck. Imagine if Sakura were to get the training from Ryu like she always wanted? Imagine how strong she could be considering that she learned all of her fighting techniques by herself. Akari from the Last Blade can't be more than thirteen yet she is one of the most powerful (and cheap) fighters in the game. Uriko from Bloody Roar is maybe 16 and yet she has the most potential to become the strongest character in her series. She was the boss in the original Bloody Roar no less. Point is, it is rather dumb to underestimate ANY character. Especially when you base your prejudices on sex. Thanks.

gouki_shangtsung Wrote: First of all I know that frost couldn't beat sub because knowledge=power. Therefore if i know more about you than you know about yourself you will be destroyed. Second, more experience doesn't guarantee a victory, but you will be hard to beat. That's why major cooperations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ther own personal lawyers just to make sure that if an average nobody tries to take them to court they won't win. Thirdly, Only a fool would fall to another sneak attack esp. from the same hoe. Female character do suck and are weak because when they are in a game the designers/programmers always tone the men down just to give the bitches a fighting chance.(The primary example CVS2) Now here is where you show your ignorance sakura got her training from Gouki, because Ryu turned her away feeling that he himself was still learning.(that's why she turns dark in the vs. series) Also, saying that I base my prejudice on sex and underestimating characters is dumb, means that you didn't understand what I said. I didn't say that bitches were to be underestimated I just said that they were weak againt these powerful men. Oh, one more thing. xmen child of atom, spiral was my favorite female char.

My ignorance? Please, bro, first of all the Vs. games don't even count in terms of storylines. They are their own alternate universes, ask anybody that knows the rather confusing Street Fighter storyline. It's like taking the stories from animes based on games and saying that it's official storyline material. Ryu can't do a hadouken that's about the same strength as a low level kamehameha. It just won't happen. He's not THAT strong, neither is Gouki.

Frost is pretty darn strong and I happen to think she has a good possibility of beating Sub Zero because while Sub Zero is a terrific fighter he still has vulnerabilities that can be easily exploited while Frost has very little other than her ambition. Honestly though I doubt Frost would ever try to fight Sub Zero again. Students do eventually become the master you know.

And that comment about the men being toned down to let the women compete is just rather dumb. The girls aren't weak, that's why they are fighting in the first place. They CAN take the men down and often do.

Prime example of this... Last Blade 2, Yuki fended off Setsuna long enough for Kaede and what not to seal Hell's Gate. Setsuna is probably one of THE most powerful fighting game characters in the SNK universe, yet this one little 18 year old girl managed to evenly match him.

Listen, I don't neccasarily care about your opinions and I know you don't care about mine. I found your post offensive, no dissrespect meant by it. It's becoming clear that neither opinion can be swayed so let's drop it eh?

I think it would be good to have her come back as 'evil'. However not fighting for the BAD guys, such as outworld, dragon king or whoever else.

What i think would be a good idea is for her is for Sektor to come across her unconscious & damaged body after MK5, and then perform some kind of surgery on her to also become semi-automated.

Then he will program her to turn on Subzie so that Sektor can become the Grandmaster after Sub Zero has been defeated (Which will never happen anyhow).

A female robotic ninja is inevitable in Mortal Kombat. And Frost is the perfect candidate.

Frost as a robotic ninja? That's kind of a cool idea! No pun intended of course lol

why isn't she the grandmaster of the klan then???oh wise one???

DanHibikiFan Wrote: gouki_shangtsung Wrote: First of all I know that frost couldn't beat sub because knowledge=power. Therefore if i know more about you than you know about yourself you will be destroyed. Second, more experience doesn't guarantee a victory, but you will be hard to beat. That's why major cooperations spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on ther own personal lawyers just to make sure that if an average nobody tries to take them to court they won't win. Thirdly, Only a fool would fall to another sneak attack esp. from the same hoe. Female character do suck and are weak because when they are in a game the designers/programmers always tone the men down just to give the bitches a fighting chance.(The primary example CVS2) Now here is where you show your ignorance sakura got her training from Gouki, because Ryu turned her away feeling that he himself was still learning.(that's why she turns dark in the vs. series) Also, saying that I base my prejudice on sex and underestimating characters is dumb, means that you didn't understand what I said. I didn't say that bitches were to be underestimated I just said that they were weak againt these powerful men. Oh, one more thing. xmen child of atom, spiral was my favorite female char. My ignorance? Please, bro, first of all the Vs. games don't even count in terms of storylines. They are their own alternate universes, ask anybody that knows the rather confusing Street Fighter storyline. It's like taking the stories from animes based on games and saying that it's official storyline material. Ryu can't do a hadouken that's about the same strength as a low level kamehameha. It just won't happen. He's not THAT strong, neither is Gouki. Frost is pretty darn strong and I happen to think she has a good possibility of beating Sub Zero because while Sub Zero is a terrific fighter he still has vulnerabilities that can be easily exploited while Frost has very little other than her ambition. Honestly though I doubt Frost would ever try to fight Sub Zero again. Students do eventually become the master you know. And that comment about the men being toned down to let the women compete is just rather dumb. The girls aren't weak, that's why they are fighting in the first place. They CAN take the men down and often do. Prime example of this... Last Blade 2, Yuki fended off Setsuna long enough for Kaede and what not to seal Hell's Gate. Setsuna is probably one of THE most powerful fighting game characters in the SNK universe, yet this one little 18 year old girl managed to evenly match him. Listen, I don't neccasarily care about your opinions and I know you don't care about mine. I found your post offensive, no dissrespect meant by it. It's becoming clear that neither opinion can be swayed so let's drop it eh?

gouki_shangtsung Wrote: why isn't she the grandmaster of the klan then???oh wise one???

Maybe because Sub-Zero held the first tournament for the Lin-Kuei after defeating Sektor and Frost wasn't around? Did that ever cross your mind?

Actually, Frost Might be alive. Her ending and Sub-Zeros are like, asociated. See, Frost gets frozen and blablabla, then in Subs ending, we see him carring Frost weak, but not DEAD.

Also, I like the idea of having Frost like a cyber-Ninja.

Rogue is right. She wasn't even around when Sub Zero fought for the title of Grand Master. After gaining the title he held a fighting tournament to recruit new members for the Lin Kuei...

You have to remember that Frost completely dominated the tournament that he held which would have been no small feat for anybody, man or woman. Sub Zero was so impressed with her skills and the fact that she had ice powers like his own that he began to train her personally. Frost didn't particularly have a problem with this because she would only become stronger and would eventually become the Grand Master herself in time... It's just her ambition caught up with her and she paid the price by nearly being consumed with her own power after snatching the amulet from Sub Zero. And in Sub Zero's ending it shows him returning her to the Lin Kuei temple severly wounded from the ordeal.

Knowing Sub Zero, he will more or less forgive Frost for what she did because she was immature, selfish, and lacked the proper dicipline. Something that strict training can cure. I also doubt Frost would ever try to do something like steal the amulet again knowing what could potentially happen. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that she might have more respect for Sub Zero then ever for even showing her such kindness and become the student he always wanted her to be. One that will eventually gain the title of Grand Master when she is truly ready and able to control her ice powers more efficiently like Sub Zero.



I'd probably say that Frost and Sub Zero are on extrememly close levels in terms of fighting skill, it's just that Sub Zero can control his ice powers so much better then she can. It doesn't hurt that he has the amulet which just pumps his ice powers even further. That's the only thing that seprates them really in my opinion, the control of their powers. She obviously had a great martial arts instructor before Sub Zero... It's just her past is so vague... In fact the only thing we know about her past is that she is somehow a rival of Sonya's as it says in her Konquest.

Hmmmmm...... i wonder.........
(prepair for a small fan-fic)
kano: let's see here..., "put dna in tray, mix till you get the right match of variubales", i may not know how half this stuff works, but i have no prob with mucking with the stuff of life! that's e-bay for you.

jarik: so, how long dose this take, i'd like to make me a date for tonight!

kano: work before fun. you'll get your reward for buying this soon. a few bits of sonya's hair, sub-zero's blood, hit a few konbs, and......HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!

frost: daddy!
(hugs kano, he looks dumbfonded)

kano: errrr..... jarik, i'd set it to male, someone messed up when thay made this.

I think that the whole concept of Frost being evil has been taken too far, all she wanted was to be Grandmaster by taking the amulet, not necessarily kill Sub-Zero or return the Lin Kuei to the dark side. (note her use of a TEMPORARY ice blast in her ending)

Zatterianwarrior Wrote: I think that the whole concept of Frost being evil has been taken too far, all she wanted was to be Grandmaster by taking the amulet, not necessarily kill Sub-Zero or return the Lin Kuei to the dark side. (note her use of a TEMPORARY ice blast in her ending)

You are right about that, but I'm sure there's much more to her than just that.

do me a favor and recall Ninja turtles secret of the ooze. What was that kids name at the beginning, kino or some shit. Didn't he dominate the foot clan entry tournament???? His skill was good enough to defeat everyone in the tourney. However as good as he was he knew he could not beat raphael,(junk yard scene) let alone all four of the turtles. So how was he going to beat shredder???(club scene)Shredder beat all four of the trutles twice.(pt 1 and pt2)
Also recall starwars episode 2, anakin was above the other students so much so that yoda and the other jedi believed that he was supposed to fulfill some kind of prophecy. But look what happend when he went against that grandmaster Count Dooku a.k.a Lord Tyranus!!!despite dual lightsaber action and being accompanied by MASTER Obi wan, Dooku takes not just the sabers away but an arm too. My point is, Frost is good esp. since she got sub's attention but she is not on his level yet.(that's why he's personally teaching her. IF she was on his level he wouldn't need to teach her anything) Therfore in a fight she would lose.

DanHibikiFan Wrote: Rogue is right. She wasn't even around when Sub Zero fought for the title of Grand Master. After gaining the title he held a fighting tournament to recruit new members for the Lin Kuei... You have to remember that Frost completely dominated the tournament that he held which would have been no small feat for anybody, man or woman. Sub Zero was so impressed with her skills and the fact that she had ice powers like his own that he began to train her personally. Frost didn't particularly have a problem with this because she would only become stronger and would eventually become the Grand Master herself in time... It's just her ambition caught up with her and she paid the price by nearly being consumed with her own power after snatching the amulet from Sub Zero. And in Sub Zero's ending it shows him returning her to the Lin Kuei temple severly wounded from the ordeal. Knowing Sub Zero, he will more or less forgive Frost for what she did because she was immature, selfish, and lacked the proper dicipline. Something that strict training can cure. I also doubt Frost would ever try to do something like steal the amulet again knowing what could potentially happen. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that she might have more respect for Sub Zero then ever for even showing her such kindness and become the student he always wanted her to be. One that will eventually gain the title of Grand Master when she is truly ready and able to control her ice powers more efficiently like Sub Zero. I'd probably say that Frost and Sub Zero are on extrememly close levels in terms of fighting skill, it's just that Sub Zero can control his ice powers so much better then she can. It doesn't hurt that he has the amulet which just pumps his ice powers even further. That's the only thing that seprates them really in my opinion, the control of their powers. She obviously had a great martial arts instructor before Sub Zero... It's just her past is so vague... In fact the only thing we know about her past is that she is somehow a rival of Sonya's as it says in her Konquest.

Funny i really believe that they would do that. Probally make her fly to.

DanHibikiFan Wrote: Frost as a robotic ninja? That's kind of a cool idea! No pun intended of course lol

ok so she didn't kill him even though she had the chance and suppose she was strong enough to control the amulet, what was she going to say when she went to rule the clan and sub reappears.

Zatterianwarrior Wrote: I think that the whole concept of Frost being evil has been taken too far, all she wanted was to be Grandmaster by taking the amulet, not necessarily kill Sub-Zero or return the Lin Kuei to the dark side. (note her use of a TEMPORARY ice blast in her ending)