further speculation noob is sub 5 in deception

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06/26/2004 10:12 PM (UTC)

hope deception reveals this to be true.

Ok this is just a theory (i know ill problly be flamed) but please hear me out.

opening facts
-Noob is from the netherealm and a member of the netherealm.
-Scorpion is murdered by sub-zero (5th) (his head is ripped off). He returns as an enigma, head replaced by a skull.

ok starting off. Sub-zero (5th) was the star of MKM. Raiden sends sub (5th) to retrieve the amulet. He told him "your soul is tainted with evil" if he did not change his ways he would end up there. Quan chi realized first hand that he was an excelent warrior and a more than formidle enemy. We all know Sub accomplishes his mission, returns to the lin kuei, goes to assassinate shang, but fails. Scorpion kills him in a match.
While in the netherealm sub (5th) fights members of the brother of shadow (leader by quan chi) This is proven by Sareena's tatto sybolizing she is in the brother hood, i believe the other girls and some soldiers had the markings as well.

No one can argue with this. This is all Cannon.

Now on to we get to the reasoning of the theory.
Noob Saibot is most defenetly the best warrior in the brother hood. if they were fighting sub why would quan chi not call for noob's assistance during sub's visit to the netherealm?
scorpion returns as an enigma. at his death his body was not wounded. he was just missing a head. in life he was a supperb ninja. his body remains, he is given a head, and new special abilities.
Speculation and mostly reasoning would lead us to believe that sub (5th) was killed by being consumed in flames. If he were to return (using logic according to how scorpion was restored)...wouldn't his body be scortched black?
Costume similarity screams ninja or in this case lin kuei. Well you say his moves are diffrent!!! Hanzo a.k.a. scorpion had no abilities before he was murdered. There would be no guarante in death you would still have the abilities as you have when you were alive. However, in part 2 he has scorpions gifts....hmmmmmm......scorpion wears yellow to mock sub (5th) in mk1, noob/(sub) mocks him right back with his powers, also indicating the same person bestowing power to scorpion bestowed it to noob!!!.... In mortal kombat 4 Noob Saibot's fataly is guess what!?! sub-zero's ice balst.... possible laziness on midway's part....or is it? also in trilogies classic (5th) sub-zero ending indicates it was not the real 5th sub. he removes his mask revealing someone neither earth or outworld had not seen in a very long time..... i just want feed back tell me what you think.

new speculation
smoke and sub 5=best friends
sub 6 looks up 2 sub 5 as a great lin kuei warrior, defeater of a powerful sorrcerer, defeater of a god, and most of all as a brother.
smoke as well would fall under influence.
i believe smoke now knows that noob is sub or why else would he join him and not his best friend.
seeing my best friend joined with someone i thought was my enemy to recruit me would soften the blow of finding him to be my brother and smoke is smart enough to figure that out.

Kamionero

@Kamionero

•08/31/2004 05:30 AM (UTC) •

I say noob just brainwashed/controlls smoke.. or temted him with a new form

Draconus

@Draconus

•08/31/2004 06:07 AM (UTC) •

That's a great, solid, and well thought out theory, but I think you're giving Boon and co. way too much credit...

About Me

•08/31/2004 06:09 AM (UTC) •

Dude you posted this theory not very long ago and Im pretty sure people made it clear all the reasons why your theory just isnt correct.

draconus Wrote:
That's a great, solid, and well thought out theory, but I think you're giving Boon and co. way too much credit...

About Me

•08/31/2004 06:09 AM (UTC) •

sorry quoted wrong person, meant to quote the original poster

•08/31/2004 06:10 AM (UTC) •

no one proved it wrong, i only have reposted it because i got some more ideas and added them

Jadishon

@Jadishon

•08/31/2004 06:12 AM (UTC) •

I don't mind your idea dude. So is this why noob has a freeze fatality in MK4. Is he named noob in MK 4 or noob saibot. There is the classic sub zero in MK Trilogy is that wear he returns to the series. In trilogy there is classic sub zero and noob saibot both there but if he is now just called noob it could be plausible. Let me know if he is noob in MK4 or Noob saibot. cheers

About Me

•08/31/2004 06:14 AM (UTC) •

your right no body proved you wrong but there was WAY more reasons why your theory was wrong than it was correct.

•08/31/2004 06:17 AM (UTC) •

give me some

About Me

•08/31/2004 06:35 AM (UTC) •

i figured you would hav remembered what everyone said the last time, but so be it, here goes

ok for one, when Scorpion killed Sub-Zero that was it, nothing else ever said about Sub-Zero going to the Netherealm much less him fighting the brothers of the shadow-- which you claim is canon and cannot be argued.

2 the reason Quan Chi didnt call for Noob's assistence is probably because he was getting his ass handed to him, kinda little busy, probably the same reason he didnt call on brother of the shadow member Reiko.

3 you say that sub could be scortched by Scorpion though Noob doesnt look scortch, just look at his face in Noob's alternate costume in MK4, as for him having the same costume, well so does Rain, Ermac, and Reptile.

4 yes Noob's freeze fatality was laziness with midway, lets not forget that he also had Reiko's fatality.

5 as for the mask removal, thats subject to peoples interpreation, I personally think it was people thinking to see the unmasked Sub-Zero, it just doesnt seem logical since Noob saibot is also in MKT.

JustIncredible Wrote:
hope deception reveals this to be true.

Ok this is just a theory (i know ill problly be flamed) but please hear me out.

opening facts
-Noob is from the netherealm and a member of the netherealm.
-Scorpion is murdered by sub-zero (5th) (his head is ripped off). He returns as an enigma, head replaced by a skull.

ok starting off. Sub-zero (5th) was the star of MKM. Raiden sends sub (5th) to retrieve the amulet. He told him "your soul is tainted with evil" if he did not change his ways he would end up there. Quan chi realized first hand that he was an excelent warrior and a more than formidle enemy. We all know Sub accomplishes his mission, returns to the lin kuei, goes to assassinate shang, but fails. Scorpion kills him in a match.
While in the netherealm sub (5th) fights members of the brother of shadow (leader by quan chi) This is proven by Sareena's tatto sybolizing she is in the brother hood, i believe the other girls and some soldiers had the markings as well.

No one can argue with this. This is all Cannon.

Now on to we get to the reasoning of the theory.
Noob Saibot is most defenetly the best warrior in the brother hood. if they were fighting sub why would quan chi not call for noob's assistance during sub's visit to the netherealm?
scorpion returns as an enigma. at his death his body was not wounded. he was just missing a head. in life he was a supperb ninja. his body remains, he is given a head, and new special abilities.
Speculation and mostly reasoning would lead us to believe that sub (5th) was killed by being consumed in flames. If he were to return (using logic according to how scorpion was restored)...wouldn't his body be scortched black?
Costume similarity screams ninja or in this case lin kuei. Well you say his moves are diffrent!!! Hanzo a.k.a. scorpion had no abilities before he was murdered. There would be no guarante in death you would still have the abilities as you have when you were alive. However, in part 2 he has scorpions gifts....hmmmmmm......scorpion wears yellow to mock sub (5th) in mk1, noob/(sub) mocks him right back with his powers, also indicating the same person bestowing power to scorpion bestowed it to noob!!!.... In mortal kombat 4 Noob Saibot's fataly is guess what!?! sub-zero's ice balst.... possible laziness on midway's part....or is it? also in trilogies classic (5th) sub-zero ending indicates it was not the real 5th sub. he removes his mask revealing someone neither earth or outworld had not seen in a very long time..... i just want feed back tell me what you think.

new speculation
smoke and sub 5=best friends
sub 6 looks up 2 sub 5 as a great lin kuei warrior, defeater of a powerful sorrcerer, defeater of a god, and most of all as a brother.
smoke as well would fall under influence.
i believe smoke now knows that noob is sub or why else would he join him and not his best friend.
seeing my best friend joined with someone i thought was my enemy to recruit me would soften the blow of finding him to be my brother and smoke is smart enough to figure that out.

Seraph

@Seraph

•08/31/2004 06:49 AM (UTC) •

I believe it says that Noob was *born* in the neitherrealm in one of his bios. That alone would kill any reasonable theory explaining the possibility of Noob being Subs older brother.

My $0.02.

Draconus

@Draconus

•08/31/2004 06:51 AM (UTC) •

subzero961 Wrote:

ok for one, when Scorpion killed Sub-Zero that was it, nothing else ever said about Sub-Zero going to the Netherealm much less him fighting the brothers of the shadow-- which you claim is canon and cannot be argued.

2 the reason Quan Chi didnt call for Noob's assistence is probably because he was getting his ass handed to him, kinda little busy, probably the same reason he didnt call on brother of the shadow member Reiko.

3 you say that sub could be scortched by Scorpion though Noob doesnt look scortch, just look at his face in Noob's alternate costume in MK4, as for him having the same costume, well so does Rain, Ermac, and Reptile.

4 yes Noob's freeze fatality was laziness with midway, lets not forget that he also had Reiko's fatality.

5 as for the mask removal, thats subject to peoples interpreation, I personally think it was people thinking to see the unmasked Sub-Zero, it just doesnt seem logical since Noob saibot is also in MKT.

1 This is MKM:SZ
2 Can't argue motive
3 MK4 has been almost entirely retconned anyway
4 Yes, laziness, therefore a moot point
5 Also irrelevant for either argument

About Me

•08/31/2004 06:57 AM (UTC) •

1 This is MKM:SZ

Then why did he say Scorpion killed Sub-Zero when he went to assassinate shang Tsung-0- that was MK1.

2 Can't argue motive

My point exactly!

3 MK4 has been almost entirely retconned anyway

Where? I see almost nothing being retconned.

4 Yes, laziness, therefore a moot point

I didnt get that, oh well Ill let that to you then.

5 Also irrelevant for either argument

I wasnt using that for my argument, just what I believed, I was just saying how it could be him when Noob appears as himself in MKT.

•08/31/2004 07:01 AM (UTC) •

I believe it says that Noob was *born* in the neitherrealm in one of his bios. That alone would kill any reasonable theory explaining the possibility of Noob being Subs older brother.

sub would have been "re-born" just as scorpion was

Kamionero

@Kamionero

•08/31/2004 07:02 AM (UTC) •

Well.. scorp does retain his mortal abilities... he was a master shuriken thrower.. and he used the spear move... and he still does.. then he gained hellish fire powers

About Me

•08/31/2004 07:04 AM (UTC) •

I would go along with that except I dont recall Scorpion ever using shurikens.

kamionero Wrote:
Well.. scorp does retain his mortal abilities... he was a master shuriken thrower.. and he used the spear move... and he still does.. then he gained hellish fire powers

molsen81

@molsen81

About Me

•08/31/2004 07:06 AM (UTC) •

Not to rub it in, but how many times are you gonna post this topic?

Kamionero

@Kamionero

•08/31/2004 07:09 AM (UTC) •

subzero961 Wrote:
I would go along with that except I dont recall Scorpion ever using shurikens.
kamionero Wrote:
Well.. scorp does retain his mortal abilities... he was a master shuriken thrower.. and he used the spear move... and he still does.. then he gained hellish fire powers

No, he never uses ninja stars.. but they say he is an expert of shuriken refearing to throwing weapons

About Me

•08/31/2004 07:10 AM (UTC) •

ah gotcha

•08/31/2004 07:28 AM (UTC) •

ok for one, when Scorpion killed Sub-Zero that was it, nothing else ever said about Sub-Zero going to the Netherealm much less him fighting the brothers of the shadow-- which you claim is canon and cannot be argued.

-mkm

2 the reason Quan Chi didnt call for Noob's assistence is probably because he was getting his ass handed to him, kinda little busy, probably the same reason he didnt call on brother of the shadow member Reiko.

-so ur saying he could call on his 3 bitchs but could not call on noob? By the way Reiko's bio on 4 says he was no where to be found ever since the first war of the gods (raiden and shinnok)

3 you say that sub could be scortched by Scorpion though Noob doesnt look scortch, just look at his face in Noob's alternate costume in MK4, as for him having the same costume, well so does Rain, Ermac, and Reptile.

-u didnt notice the black skin? do you know what scorthched means? the same costumes yes but that doesn't disprove me.

4 yes Noob's freeze fatality was laziness with midway, lets not forget that he also had Reiko's fatality.

-ur telling me a resurected lin kuei warrior that can summon ice from his hands within his life, now having supernatural powers couldn't learn a kick from another warrior? by the way my theory is still holding water

5 as for the mask removal, thats subject to peoples interpreation, I personally think it was people thinking to see the unmasked Sub-Zero, it just doesnt seem logical since Noob saibot is also in MKT.

-the ending states that "classic sub-zero" was not "classic sub-zero" subby 5

the only reason i re posted this is because the hole noob smoke thing gives even more credit to the theory if you look at the 1st post. skip down u will see where it says -continued speculation- there you can read my thoughts on it.....also the only reason i reposted this was because it wasn't that fact that no one believed it was true but i didnt get any credit for thinking of one of few good theories posted on mko. all i got was alot of flame for no reason after i even continually stated myself it problly wasn't true. however, no one has been able to logically break my theory, why can't some one say..."hey cool, i never thought of that." or "thats an awesome idea, however i disagree because...." all i get is your wrong and ur stupid. that doesn't proove anything.

About Me

•08/31/2004 07:38 AM (UTC) •

1 You werent being clear since you said sub-zero tried to assassinate shang Tsung and Scorpion killed Sub-Zero, which never happened in mkm.

2 WTF? When did I say he called on his assassins? He didnt, and you misread Reiko's bio, he was missing on the first Elder God assault, this assault happened in mk4.

3. Look at his face dude, its a skull that doesnt look scorched, besides you can see noob's skin in mkt battle screen, it looks like skin, black skin

4. Ok dude, any clear thinking person knows they just reused a fatality, your looking too deep into stuff.

5. No it doesnt, it just said they were all shocked, it didnt say "Sub-zero isnt really sub-Zero"

JustIncredible Wrote:
ok for one, when Scorpion killed Sub-Zero that was it, nothing else ever said about Sub-Zero going to the Netherealm much less him fighting the brothers of the shadow-- which you claim is canon and cannot be argued.

-mkm

2 the reason Quan Chi didnt call for Noob's assistence is probably because he was getting his ass handed to him, kinda little busy, probably the same reason he didnt call on brother of the shadow member Reiko.

-so ur saying he could call on his 3 bitchs but could not call on noob? By the way Reiko's bio on 4 says he was no where to be found ever since the first war of the gods (raiden and shinnok)

3 you say that sub could be scortched by Scorpion though Noob doesnt look scortch, just look at his face in Noob's alternate costume in MK4, as for him having the same costume, well so does Rain, Ermac, and Reptile.

-u didnt notice the black skin? do you know what scorthched means? the same costumes yes but that doesn't disprove me.

4 yes Noob's freeze fatality was laziness with midway, lets not forget that he also had Reiko's fatality.

-ur telling me a resurected lin kuei warrior that can summon ice from his hands within his life, now having supernatural powers couldn't learn a kick from another warrior? by the way my theory is still holding water

5 as for the mask removal, thats subject to peoples interpreation, I personally think it was people thinking to see the unmasked Sub-Zero, it just doesnt seem logical since Noob saibot is also in MKT.

-the ending states that "classic sub-zero" was not "classic sub-zero" subby 5

the only reason i re posted this is because the hole noob smoke thing gives even more credit to the theory if you look at the 1st post. skip down u will see where it says -continued speculation- there you can read my thoughts on it.....also the only reason i reposted this was because it wasn't that fact that no one believed it was true but i didnt get any credit for thinking of one of few good theories posted on mko. all i got was alot of flame for no reason after i even continually stated myself it problly wasn't true. however, no one has been able to logically break my theory, why can't some one say..."hey cool, i never thought of that." or "thats an awesome idea, however i disagree because...." all i get is your wrong and ur stupid. that doesn't proove anything.

Seraph

@Seraph

•08/31/2004 07:42 AM (UTC) •

"sub would have been "re-born" just as scorpion was"

I believe that under "place of birth" in Scorp's bio, it states "Earth Realm".

It doesn't say anything about the "Neitherrealm", but still, not a bad argument JustIncredible.

•08/31/2004 07:45 AM (UTC) •

1 You werent being clear since you said sub-zero tried to assassinate shang Tsung and Scorpion killed Sub-Zero, which never happened in mkm.

-no, this happened in mk1 i didn't say it happened in mkm

2 WTF? When did I say he called on his assassins? He didnt, and you misread Reiko's bio, he was missing on the first Elder God assault, this assault happened in mk4.

-have u even played mkm or read anything about mortal kombat? sareena, kia, and that other ho. not to mention the legions of guys sub had to fight in the nether realm. ur saying quan didnt have time to call noob!?!?! rekio was missing during the first war! between rayden and shinnok that destroyed our plannet.

3. Look at his face dude, its a skull that doesnt look scorched, besides you can see noob's skin in mkt battle screen, it looks like skin, black skin

flesh rots away and falls off quickly in fire. havent u ever seen the drunk driving adds with that chick that looks all fucked up and like an alien because she was burnt? look at mkt have u ever seen a black person with skin like that?

4. Ok dude, any clear thinking person knows they just reused a fatality, your looking too deep into stuff.

- i already said that.....

5. No it doesnt, it just said they were all shocked, it didnt say "Sub-zero isnt really sub-Zero"

- neither realm had seen that warrior for a long time.....sounds like it isn't him....or else maybe it would say sub zero had indeed returned.

•08/31/2004 07:48 AM (UTC) •

seraph if you could get the bio for noob than yeah the theory would totally be over thrown and thank you for taking this for what it is...