has boon gone too far and is he still the right man to take mk forward?

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ive thought this over for ages, i loved and still do love all the previous mk games, but john tobias was a big part of that and since his leaving mk has become gimmicky and annoying. there ius no fluency to the kombat which is a fundamental basic of any fighting game after all thats what they live and die by.

the arenas were cool the music fit well no matter who was fighting and the game mechanics were spot on in 2-d mk games. this got me thinking... boon has made many mistakes with the direction mk has taken, what with da, deception and armageddon. sure there were some good ideas like konquest and the unlockable soundtrack from deception, but gameplay-wise mk has become numb. fatalities were ruined with armageddon, and i know people will say its due to the ps2 blah blah blah, i use gta san andreas and soul caliber (even though i hate it) as examples of great detail and incredible programming.

i think boons new direction is a good one with dc even though my love for dc starts and stops with batman. i think it will generate interest again and will help restore some damaged rep for mk, though its sad that we need dc to help do this!!!!

taking away the various fighting styles and weapon combat is a good move i think, and the inclusion of darker more atmospheric music and sound effects ( just listen to scorpion vs the flash video) will help get mk back to its succesful 2-d roots even if with the extra dimension.

overall i believe that boon using this crossover game as a basis for future mk games is a nice move this after all is one-off, non-canon, and completely stand-alone. if it fails fair enough, any true mk fan wont include this as an official mk game.

whats your opinions on boon? is he taking things too far or is he right for the job? and where do we go from here as fans? we have a voice we just need to project it!!!! fellow kombatants lemme here your thoughts please

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•08/11/2008 11:31 PM (UTC) •

It's not Boon's fault. It's Midway putting pressure on the MK Team to squeeze out a game every year, because of bad profits. That, and the MK Team certainly seemed to lack knowledge on fighting game systems.

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•08/11/2008 11:35 PM (UTC) •

yeah midway can be a bit greedy, but sometimes boon gets these mad ideas and shoots first before thinking about what hes doing, guys like me who are avid mkers, and have been for years are witnessing our franchise die in front of our very eyes

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•08/11/2008 11:43 PM (UTC) •

I wouldn't like to write anyone off completely, but I have my doubts.
As frustrating as it would certainly be to have the constraints they typically do, I think a lot of us are more critical of what they're doing with those, rather than unrealistic expectations that would require more.

At the end of the day, if Boon is overseeing every detail as is often described, I think it is an indication that there's just an inherent tendency to overlook a lot of methods and ideas that could vastly improve the series.

I think a fresh perspective would be a great thing for MK, across the board.
In particular, I'd love to see a more contemporary approach, with a writer overseeing the project.

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•08/11/2008 11:56 PM (UTC) •

yeah the story needs a complete and utter overhaul, but i thought thats what armageddon was for? somehow i can see them making a complete arse of the next one story-wise because boon and his team have shown their fear for completely killing off characters...

liu kang anyone?

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•08/12/2008 12:18 AM (UTC) •

I think that the Mortal Kombat series is doing fine. This game looks to be a blast to play, and so far I've only read good things about the game.... besides internet bitching.

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•08/12/2008 12:19 AM (UTC) •

yeah i hear you, does anyone actually know the story behind john tobias is the good old saibot coming back into the mk team?

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•08/12/2008 12:20 AM (UTC) •

Has Boon gone too far? No.

Is he the right man for the job still? Fuck yes, he IS MK for the most part. It wouldn't be the same without him despite the "boon haters"

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•08/12/2008 12:24 AM (UTC) •

Without Boon, MK would be in the Epic Failure list. Boon IS the right guy for MK and will be for quite some time. Though, I am curious to say I would like to see what he has plans for the next MK game. But on a serious not, I don't think he's gone too far with anything, and he is the right guy to take MK forward.

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•08/12/2008 12:31 AM (UTC) •

Icebaby Wrote:
Without Boon, MK would be in the Epic Failure list. Boon IS the right guy for MK and will be for quite some time. [...] and he is the right guy to take MK forward.

Care to elaborate?
What makes you think that?

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•08/12/2008 12:39 AM (UTC) •

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Icebaby Wrote:
Without Boon, MK would be in the Epic Failure list. Boon IS the right guy for MK and will be for quite some time. [...] and he is the right guy to take MK forward.

Care to elaborate?
What makes you think that?

Mick, please, stop faking yourself out. You're the one who has the explaining to do. Please do not make it seem like we are in the wrong. OK THANK YOU BYE.

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•08/12/2008 12:40 AM (UTC) •

i am of the opinion that if it wasnt for him and a few others there would be no mk, but he has an indifferent record, there have been mistakes and some great decisions along the way but i think sadly that the decisions of late have been poorer than previously though mk vs dc could turn out to be our saving grace, good luck boon give us a game we can be proud of again and a franchise to rival the very best!!!

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•08/12/2008 12:55 AM (UTC) •

The main thing about Boon is that he really loves MK

and IMO, if it weren't for this love MK would be dead and burried after MK4

Yes Tobias was the real creative force, yes they've dropped the ball on more than one ocasion, but really without Boon MK would probably be nothing more than a fond memory with a bad after taste.

Every change in any franchise has it's detractors, and peoples opinions on the succes of MK as of late is really a matter of tastes.

Mortal Kombat has been around for 16 years, there has been a plethora of iterations of the game, has been on nearly every console since it's inception, and it's inspired movies, comics, toys, television shows, trading cards, cd's, etc.

even with credit for various things going to different people, Boon must be doing something right.

and really right now he isn't much more than a creative consultant, he is MK's face to the public, he is MK's spokesman, he does interviews, etc. he's a SALESMAN, and he sells what he's pushing.

really the bulk of MK's issues isn't really Boon's fault, it's Midways, because let's face it, they aren't exactly the greatest video game company in the world, and it's only a matter of time before they go bankrupt and are absorbed by either Activision-Blizzard or EA Games.

Boon doesn't make every decision in every MK game, you think MKA was really his choice and not Midway desperatley looking for money so they can stay afloat for another year? samething with MK vs. DC I mean they were making MK8 the way they wanted to then they got a letter from head office that said, "yeah you're gonna have to ditch half your characters and replace them with the Justice League"

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•08/12/2008 01:09 AM (UTC) •

good point my friend it would seem midway is the REAL driving force behind some of the decisions, I just often wondered if i created something as huge and as diverse as my favourite franchise is, i would try my utmost to keep it on top, i would strive for the perfection i crave as i would like to see my franchise, my creation aspire to be great.

it makes you wonder if boon and the MKT objected in any way to this merger as is you say it was forced upon them, i just wonder if there was any type of resistance from them?

so far though from the tools Ed Boon has been given or fed by midway it would seem that mk vs dc has the potential to be a really huge game except for the idiots who say "im not buying this game its not mk" i hope it rocks and these clowns miss out on a top notch MK Saver after all the future of MK really does depend on it.

and just for the record I am 100% behing Ed Boon, without him i wouldnt be sitting in the mk forums discussing all matters of the series.

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•08/12/2008 01:15 AM (UTC) •

I'm just saying that Ed Boon is like Mortal Kombat's equivalent to Stan Lee

and John Tobias is MK's equivalent to Steve Ditko

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•08/12/2008 01:18 AM (UTC) •

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
As frustrating as it would certainly be to have the constraints they typically do, I think a lot of us are more critical of what they're doing with those, rather than unrealistic expectations that would require more.

I dare say the majority percentage of criticisms that fall on the MK series are more about what they're doing with what they do have, and less about the constraints being put on them.

Things like FMV endings aren't really in their control if there isn't funding or facilities to make that happen; but the mechanics and details place into each game as it's conceived are theirs to control.
So issues with gameplay, writing, and content, are realistically on the shoulders of the MK team.

Corporate influences only go so far, and while a factor, shouldn't be an easy scapegoat.

scorpionspupil Wrote:
I'm just saying that Ed Boon is like Mortal Kombat's equivalent to Stan Lee

Stan Lee's a great example because, as vital as he was to the creation of many of Marvel's lasting characters, he was also fairly quick to restrict his own movements as a creative influence.

I'd like to think noone really wishes ill will on Mr. Boon, or blames him for maintaining control over the series. I also think, however, from a fan's perspective, it's more than fair to wonder if references to Boon's arcing influence sometimes sound more detrimental to a savvy contemporary audience, rather than a testament.

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•08/12/2008 01:22 AM (UTC) •

theres so many things to take into consideration, from what they have the power to do they gotta make sure they get right, what isnt theirs to control we can forgive and eventually forget,

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•08/12/2008 01:29 AM (UTC) •

I say MKonline makes a petition to make me executive producer of the next Mortal Kombat game. Let me take the reigns !!!!!!

-New Characters ( That are memorable )

-Old Characters ( From alternate realities to give them a twist )

- New Fighting engine ( Fluid and fast paced, like watching a honk kong action movie )

-Return to digitalized graphics ( Scan real actors in costume over 3d models ala many sports games

- Very involved story mode that continues through DLC

- Create a character ( with multiple slots, choosing an already existing fighting style, but assigning your own specials, along with color and special effects, i.e. flaming red ice ball, shadow kick with sparks coming from the ground, and a special set of fatalities to choose JUST for the created fighters

-Secret characters appear through system updates to always keep you looking, i.e. one day you suddenly get an old school " come find me , ala smoke "

-Return to brutal and imaginative fatalities with out the humor, with each character having 4 fatalites

- Story that simultaneously ties up Armageddon, retcons it AND explains the DC crossover ( Yea I have it all figured out )

Come on boon, my design doc has been finished for weeks. GIVE ME A CHANCE !!!

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•08/12/2008 01:30 AM (UTC) •

scorpionlegendx Wrote:
theres so many things to take into consideration, from what they have the power to do they gotta make sure they get right, what isnt theirs to control we can forgive and eventually forget,

By all indications, you could really boil Midway's influences on production down to time and money. I really think most criticisms are more focused on what is in the MK team's control.

[Midway] aren't the corporate parent entity a Warner Brothers is, or something more influential like that. They aren't approving and knocking back pieces of the puzzle. They're rushing distribution of games. When the MK team decide to scale back their MKDA fight engine, redesign characters, abandon plot, and any number of other specific complaints, Midway doesn't have a lot to answer for.

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•08/12/2008 01:33 AM (UTC) •

hmmm lucifer that is a good point it would be good to spend a single day in their office and see first hand what theyve got to work with

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•08/12/2008 01:40 AM (UTC) •

Mick-Lucifer Wrote:

Icebaby Wrote:
Without Boon, MK would be in the Epic Failure list. Boon IS the right guy for MK and will be for quite some time. [...] and he is the right guy to take MK forward.

Care to elaborate?
What makes you think that?

I would like to eleaborate, but for some reason, I totally forgot why I said this.

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•08/12/2008 02:18 AM (UTC) •

haha i hate when that happens

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•08/12/2008 02:19 AM (UTC) •

jpetrunak Wrote:
I say MKonline makes a petition to make me executive producer of the next Mortal Kombat game. Let me take the reigns !!!!!!

-New Characters ( That are memorable )

-Old Characters ( From alternate realities to give them a twist )

- New Fighting engine ( Fluid and fast paced, like watching a honk kong action movie )

-Return to digitalized graphics ( Scan real actors in costume over 3d models ala many sports games

- Very involved story mode that continues through DLC

- Create a character ( with multiple slots, choosing an already existing fighting style, but assigning your own specials, along with color and special effects, i.e. flaming red ice ball, shadow kick with sparks coming from the ground, and a special set of fatalities to choose JUST for the created fighters

-Secret characters appear through system updates to always keep you looking, i.e. one day you suddenly get an old school " come find me , ala smoke "

-Return to brutal and imaginative fatalities with out the humor, with each character having 4 fatalites

- Story that simultaneously ties up Armageddon, retcons it AND explains the DC crossover ( Yea I have it all figured out )

Come on boon, my design doc has been finished for weeks. GIVE ME A CHANCE !!!

Things like this are easy to say aren't they

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•08/12/2008 02:28 AM (UTC) •

that may be true but if you start off with a blank canvas then anything you add is of a new creation, i think thats what he was getting at, it is easier said than done, but if you wipe the slate clean then anything can be achieved