You know, when I first read that, I was like "WTF? Subzero's American!" Then the more I thought about I read it again.

"they wanted to make him look more Chinese and distinct from Scorpion."

That's when it hit me. You see, Lin Kuei warriors are drafted from areas all over the world from childbirth(usually). This is why Cyrax as African-American and Sub was white. But anyone who played MKM knows that Sub's clan was Chinese(the Lin Kuei), and Scorpions was japanese(don't remember the name). So despite Sub's American Ancestry, he was still trained and raised under chinese life-style. That's my theory, but I'm pretty sure this is what they meant.

If you saw Sub-Zero's MK2 ending, he looked Asian to me, yet, in the official MK2 comic book, Sub-Zero looked more Western. Since then, Sub-Zero has had that Western look. He may look Chinese in MKD, but his nationality still remains American. After all, according to the now-defunct official MK Mythologies website, Sub-Zero, his older brother, and their sister (who is most likely Frost) were born in the United States.

Oh, and Temp, to refresh your memory, Scorpion's clan was called the Shirai Ryu.

I think sub-zero is american. But who nows, by the way he looks in MK3 i would think he is. It weird how he was really modern and futuristic in MK3 and in MK4 he went to his ninja outfit and in MKD he is now complete opposite from his MK3 look. I thought he looked pretty cool in MK3 because he was different from the old sub-zero.

Bloodline666 Wrote: Oh, and Temp, to refresh your memory, Scorpion's clan was called the Shirai Ryu.

Ah, that's right. Thanks for the clear up, man.

If that isn't the hardest freakin name in the world to remember, than I don't know what is. Although it sounds quite cool.

Im confused as hell. The MK team wanted to make him look more asian in this game to make him look different from Scorpion, right? But, Scorpion is Japanese. So, how is turning Sub-Zero more asian going to distinguish him from Scorpion? Not to mention that Sub-Zero was portayed as a Chinese ninja in the first 2 games and sudently looked amarican in MK3-DA.

I don't think they wanted to distinguish him from Asian to japanese, but from Chinese to Japanese.

For some reason, Sub-Zero from MKIII reminded me alot of Superman/Clark Kent... the black hair, the face, etc. Yeh I know its irrelevent, just thought id share. Sub-Zero is American, The Lin Kuei clan itself is of chinese decent but it does recruit anyone worthy or their codes (abilities, etc.).

JAX007 Wrote: Im confused as hell. The MK team wanted to make him look more asian in this game to make him look different from Scorpion, right? But, Scorpion is Japanese. So, how is turning Sub-Zero more asian going to distinct him from Scorpion? Not to mention that Sub-Zero was portayed as a Chinese ninja in the first 2 games and sudently looked amarican in MK3-DA.

true that JAX007. at first i thought that sub was an american because he looked like 1 in mkda not sure he looked different but making him more asian doesnt matter the only thing it matters is that hes a good carachter

sektor101 Wrote: JAX007 Wrote: Im confused as hell. The MK team wanted to make him look more asian in this game to make him look different from Scorpion, right? But, Scorpion is Japanese. So, how is turning Sub-Zero more asian going to distinct him from Scorpion? Not to mention that Sub-Zero was portayed as a Chinese ninja in the first 2 games and sudently looked amarican in MK3-DA. true that JAX007. at first i thought that sub was an american because he looked like 1 in mkda not sure he looked different but making him more asian doesnt matter the only thing it matters is that hes a good carachter

IMO he looks alot better Asian, especially in Deception. His look always never ceases to impress me...

I don't know. The whole idea of an American desperately trying to be Asian is too... odd (although Tom Cruise pulled it off nicely in The Last Samurai). He's now like Sodom from Street Fighter Alpha, an American who tried his hardest to be as Japanese as possible. Regardless, the shaved head-look and white pony-tail appear more like a Buddhist Monk look than a Chinese fighter's look. IMO. Fatality.

But the samarai look is Japanese, isn't it?

Since MK2 and MK3 revealing the 2 brother sub-zero's faces, I've always thought of them to be half brothers. Since the sub-zero (from MK2's endingI guess showed sub-zero to be a 100% Chinese dude and in MK3 with Sub-zero unmasked to be white, but knowing that sub-zero 's brother is chinese one would think that he is half Chinese. Also I think the biggest reason why in Sub-zero from MK2 and MK3 look differant is because of the real life problems Midway had with its motion capture actors and actresses. As many of you people know that the actors and actress tried to sue Midway for some profit for MK2 for being as successful as it was. They lost and of course Midway didn't want them back, so they hired new people to do there motion capture work. John Turk the guy that played Sub-zero in MK3 looks white to me , but I think it may be possible in game wise that he could pass for half white and half Chinese.

^opinion

Frost4584 Wrote: Since MK2 and MK3 revealing the 2 brother sub-zero's faces, I've always thought of them to be half brothers. Since the sub-zero (from MK2's endingI guess showed sub-zero to be a 100% Chinese dude and in MK3 with Sub-zero unmasked to be white, but knowing that sub-zero 's brother is chinese one would think that he is half Chinese. Also I think the biggest reason why in Sub-zero from MK2 and MK3 look differant is because of the real life problems Midway had with its motion capture actors and actresses. As many of you people know that the actors and actress tried to sue Midway for some profit for MK2 for being as successful as it was. They lost and of course Midway didn't want them back, so they hired new people to do there motion capture work. John Turk the guy that played Sub-zero in MK3 looks white to me , but I think it may be possible in game wise that he could pass for half white and half Chinese. ^opinion

Okay, the guy who did Sub-Zero's motion capture in MK2 was the same dude who did Johnny Cage's motion capture. For that matter, Daniel Pesina did motion capture for Johnny Cage and ALL Male ninjas for MK1 and MK2. Take a look at Scorpion's MK1 ending. That unmasked Scorpion (probably him before he died) looks almost like Johnny Cage. What I don't get, though, is why Sub-Zero ended up looking Asian in that second pic of his MK2 ending.

And as for Daniel Pesina, himself, he was not one of the people who tried to sue Midway over MK2 royalties. As a matter of fact, Daniel Pesina actually worked for Midway, but got fired. I don't remember exactly what he got fired for, though. And I don't know how he's related to Carlos Pesina.

I thought I read somewhere that Sub Zero's dad was Chinese and his mom was American. I don't remember where I read that, but it makes sense to me.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

his costume duhh

there makin it more of a chinese feel!!!

sub zero is mostly american but his clan originates from china so.....

his face is tha same
outfit...more chineseish if thats a word lol

Maybe the Lin Kuei Amulet is making him more Chinese, lol.

I'm sure Sub Zero is supposed to be chinese. Even if he was born in america. At least Lots of "asian" people are born in america every day. In the MK2 ending he's chinese...

I think they just really messed up in MK3 by trying the make it look more "american" what with Stryker and nightwolf and that. So maybe they tried to go for that same look with most of the other characters as well, (excpet for the obviously asian ones like Lui Kang and Kung Lao)
Thats the only way I can explain the differences in Subby's appearances.
Either way, i welcome his new look, its very different

^opinion only

I always figured he was American. But he would still be Chinese. Remember, he was raised in China by the Lin Kuei. I mean think about it. Cyrax is black, Sub-Zero is white. Both were Lin Kuei. Cyrax was probably an african american abducted at birth. Smoke could be Australian by birth for all we know. All that matters is they all grew up In China as Lin Kuei members.
As for Sub-Zero's appearance in Mortal Kombat 2, I think they just hadn't worked out what he looked like under the mask yet. If I'm correct, they just had someone from the MK team who was asian put on the S-Z costume.

It was originally planned that there would be one Sub-Zero who was Chinese. However, they decided later that there would be two Sub-Zeros who were Americans that were taken to and raised in China.

Perhaps their father is most likely Chinese and their mother is American. I like his alternate look more than I did before and he does have more of that Asian look though I don't think it's quite Lin Kuei-ish...As for his primary costume, I don't know why they'd go for the Shogun Ninja look like Shredder has but maybe Sub's primary costume look isn't a Shogun Ninja look.

But anyway, to sum things up, Sub-Zero IS an American who lives in China.

I think is new outfits all good . But im wondering how theyll explain subs sudden change in a appearnce

Ok, in what MK game did it ever say he was American?

icypain Wrote: I think is new outfits all good . But im wondering how theyll explain subs sudden change in a appearnce

it's just a hair cut

Has anybody looked at the MK:D scorpions face? He looks more Japanese...