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INFO on the REALMS of ORDER and CHAOS – RAIDENS CONNECTION with them and a THEORY on the OUTCOME of MKD
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posted08/08/2004 10:10 PM (UTC)by
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The following is information from the MK comics obtained by my friend Yanden, a fellow MKO member and site owner of MKAustralia.com. He allowed me to use this info for the thread.

Here is the info for the realm of Order and the realm of Chaos.

REALM OF ORDER

The realm of Order is the realm where one of the gods known as Abacus the Lord of Order resides. He resides within a library with books that hold the records of all living things and all realms histories and all life. All his life he has used people to thwart his brothers plans of chaos and destruction; The God of Chaos Zaggot.

THE REALM OF CHAOS

In which resides the God of Chaos and brother to Abacus the Lord of Order is this gangly being known as Zaggot. He thrives on disruption and despair. For disruption and anger and despair brings chaos. And being the God of Chaos it is what he desires - To destroy the worlds and allow chaos to reign.

However there are many balance holders for good and evil, order and chaos. When scales are tipped to favour one side of Good or Evil then Rayden makes sure the balance comes back. When the scales tip to favour Order or Chaos, then Abacus makes sure the balance comes back to a singular point.

Now you would say how why would they balance them if they tip to their favour? They don't. If the scales tip towards Good then a dark lord will rise and bring evil. If the scales are tipped to Order then Zaggot will rise and bring from destruction, disruption and complete and utter chaos.

The realm of Order is where many gods reside who will to learn of ancient times and of other realms. Yet the books in the eternal library the books must be handled with extreme care. Any mishandling could lead to the complete destruction of the realm you are reading of. Thus making Zaggot only more stronger.

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If the above information is the information which they are basing the realms of Chaos and Order in MKD on, then I believe that this tells us quite a bit about the MK storyline.

Firstly of the gods, Raiden is here to restore balance between good and evil. It is his duty to see to it that evil does not become too strong. When evil rises to power, good will rise to help restore the balance between the realms by helping to undo some of the evil. If good becomes too powerful, then a Dark Lord will rise to bring evil back into power and once again bring balance. The cycle goes on and on, until the end of time probably with neither side truly winning, unless total Order or chaos reigns. The balance would be lost.

Abacus is there to keep the balance of the realms. When evil and Chaos reign and ensue or if there is too much Order, then he must tip the scales in order to bring back the balance. To him, all must be kept neutral. Zaggot will tip the scales to Chaos and evil if they reach too much Order.

Now of the MK storyline, the above information tells us that Shao Kahns rule was in a great time of evil and Chaos. Evil rose to power through him as he took over the realms for his own intentions. Effectively, he was doing what Zaggot wanted. The realms were being destroyed and evil and Chaos reigned. Unfortunately for Kahn, he became too powerful. The scales tipped in favour of evil.

Raiden came to the MK1 tournament along with Liu Kang. Liu Kang can be assumed to be the greater good beginning to rise once again. He defeated Shang Tsung and helped stop Kahns tyranny. The balance had shifted towards good once again. Raiden has been doing his duty and has helped to bring balance. As Kang and the Earth warriors kept up their victories, good became stronger. Shinnok was a new evil that rose to bring back the balance for evil, but he failed. Evil was becoming weaker and good was now even stronger. Until now ..

The happenings in MKDA were the start of the scales being tipped once more. Kang’s death meant an incredible blow to the rise of good. The scales had now tipped towards evil once more. The Dragon King has awakened. We are told of his immense strength and power and it seems he is the Dark Lord who will rise and set balance once again. And then most likely bring evil to an even greater rise, until good eventually comes back to bring balance. This means the Dragon King will win! He shall win MKD. We will witness the fall of some Earth warriors maybe. This could explain the lack of them in the game. We are now in a time where Mortal Kombat shall swing to favour evil. Mortal Kombat began when it was beginning to favour good.

This being said, it tells us that the rise of the Dragon King was always going to happen. It tells us that MK will continue (even if there isn’t always a game) forever.

Going to the appearance of Raiden now and the many theories surrounding why he looks that way, the theory of him being corrupted by evil could be true. I know it said he was good on his bio, but that could simply imply that he is good overall. This would ignore the possibility that he has been corrupted. If he is corrupted by evil then he can be used for evil acts to help shift the balance in favour of evil. This would happen by him killing some of the Earth warriors and assisting the Dragon King. Raiden will remain corrupted until the balance has shifted and he can be restored to his former good self. The removal of his essence basically helped to prevent the corruption. Without it his body was left weak and powerless to evil.

Darrius is leading a resistance and wants freedom, but freedom from what? Does he want freedom from a world of order or freedom from an ensuing rise of evil? And what is Hotarus full deal?

The above are my theories and assumptions given the info on these realms. Please do not regard it all as truth.

What do you think this will all mean for MK if the above information is true? Your thoughts?
So the Dragon King has returned to balance it? It's currently in the favour of evil, interesting wink
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 •08/05/2004 04:01 PM (UTC) •
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I'm too lazy to read this. Since the summer vacation started, my brain shut down. But, I'm sure it's good!
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 •08/05/2004 04:07 PM (UTC) •
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Thanks for the info TG!!

I guess some of that information might be true.... so I guess we have to wait and see... Maybe the DK will unbalance everything! confused confused
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 •08/05/2004 04:08 PM (UTC) •
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Dammit, how could they do this to Raiden? He's cool and he kicks so much ass.
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 •08/05/2004 04:08 PM (UTC) •
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This is a very nice theory, but do the MK games follow the comicbook story at all? The bad thing about this is that each MK game would be very predicatble. I do like this concept though.
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 •08/05/2004 04:09 PM (UTC) •
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Welcome to April/05/2004 and thanks for the information! smile
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 •08/05/2004 04:09 PM (UTC) •
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This is great tyrone. It makes perfect sense. It explains why the DK returned and what has to be done to keep the order of the realms. Also Raiden has to do this it might explain why he could be evil and is black hmmm. Great theory.
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•08/05/2004 04:53 PM (UTC) •
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Ok, I like what you wrote tg - but I have to add my opinions. First, I doubt the Dragon King and his army will win MK6 - mainly because I feel that the Deadly Alliance won the last MK. There is no sign of Kung Lao, and since the DK has been awoken - the 'balance of power' as you described it has swung immensly in favor of evil. I think the DA won, then the Dragon King took over the power they asummed after winning (cus we haven't seen anything of Shang or Quan.) If the Earth warriors lost again, well who knows what would happen. Liu Kang has returned, along with a new hero Shinjuko to stop the evil and restore the balance to all realms.

Also I don't agree with the Raiden theory, I doubt he had been corrupted as he is a perennial hero and protector of earthrealm. It seems more likely that Liu Kang would have been converted to evil than Raiden imo.


But this balancing of the furies (as it says in MKT) makes sense. When Shang Tsung won 9 straight MK's, the Great Kung Lao emerged to stop the takeover. Then Goro and Shang had won another 9 consecutive victories and Liu Kang, earth's greatest champion, defeated both to stop the occupation. Shao Kahn then lost in both outworld and earthrealm (after breaking the rules.) Shinnok and Quan Chi then lost, AGAIN to Liu Kang. Here, imo, is where the 'good' was becoming to powerful. Therefore the deadly alliance won MK5 and then the DK took the power away from them. Now evil is too powerful and the earthrealm warriors are going to balance it out again by defeating the DK.
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•08/05/2004 05:36 PM (UTC) •
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It's true about Abacus and Zaggot - however, these comics (the ones by Malibu) never stated that each God occupied there own realm, nor did they say that Raiden would always ensure a balance.

Quite the opposite, Raiden tried (unsuccessfully) to unbalance the scales towards order, but failed.

They did show that Abacus stayed in a library - they also showed that when he summoned Goro, and Goro knocked over a bunch of books, that caused chaos in as many realms. Each book represented a realm. The place where the Gods stayed was on another plane of existence, of which our feeble human minds can barely grasp the concept.
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 •08/05/2004 05:52 PM (UTC) •
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"another plain of existence"

hmmm...like the void scorpion discovered the elder gods in?
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•08/05/2004 05:57 PM (UTC) •
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Well, not so much like that void, this seems to just be their own place they exist in. Raiden has a palace in these "heavens", Abacus has a library, I can't seem to remember what Zaggot's place was like.

But these comics (which have no bearing on the game's storyline, BTW) didn't illustrate at ALL the "realm of order" or the "realm of chaos" - more to the point, they showed the God of Order, and the God of Chaos.

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 •08/05/2004 06:00 PM (UTC) •
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]0MBAT Wrote:
It's true about Abacus and Zaggot - however, these comics (the ones by Malibu) never stated that each God occupied there own realm, nor did they say that Raiden would always ensure a balance.

Quite the opposite, Raiden tried (unsuccessfully) to unbalance the scales towards order, but failed.

They did show that Abacus stayed in a library - they also showed that when he summoned Goro, and Goro knocked over a bunch of books, that caused chaos in as many realms. Each book represented a realm. The place where the Gods stayed was on another plane of existence, of which our feeble human minds can barely grasp the concept.


Exactly what Kombat said.

But I do hope the story of the comics capture the attention of Boon and the team. They are pretty original. I created a thread very long ago that contains all the possible mk info you will ever find in the comics for the ones who know nothing about them.

The story of Rayden was one of them, along with the 2 realms and 2 gods.
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 •08/05/2004 11:08 PM (UTC) •
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I feared when MK got to the higher numbers that it would integrade the comic's story. Unfortunately, this does put me at a disadvantage, since I know little to nothing about the comics.

I'm still clinging to the theory that Raiden is still good, and just war-torn. But he most likely is evil. I can only hope for the best.
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 •08/06/2004 02:04 AM (UTC) •
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This theory is really well thought of...

And I like the idea of Raiden having to become evil against his will, it spices up the story.

I've always liked MK for it's dark side, but this is even more intersesting. The tip of power shifting for evil... neat.
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 •08/06/2004 03:26 AM (UTC) •
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heres my theory now someone was saying about goro knocking over some books to cause chaos in other realms what if the chaos god hired someone else knock over the books of outworld (hence shao kahns demise) & the dragonking's awakening

also i believe that quan chi and shang stung are still but play more of a cloak & dagger part in this for instance this game they might be faces againts the dragonking thats right i said faces only hiding somewhere thats appeared since b4 the dragonking was re-awoken so this could be why theres been no mention of them or kano

i also believe that appart from scorpions ending in mkda most of the endings that had something to do with the da was non-cannon hence why i think shang stung & quan chi are still alive, ok maybe a little bit of an ending was cannon but not the full ending

i also believe that the black dragon maybe working with the dragonking and tried to sell out quan chi & shang stung but the da were smart they knew of betrayel so they agreed to put there differences aside hiding underground in outworld regrouping preparing for a day when shao kahn would be ressurected so that he can put the dk to rest once more
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•08/06/2004 11:38 AM (UTC) •
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krsx66 Wrote:
Ok, I like what you wrote tg - but I have to add my opinions. First, I doubt the Dragon King and his army will win MK6 - mainly because I feel that the Deadly Alliance won the last MK. There is no sign of Kung Lao, and since the DK has been awoken - the 'balance of power' as you described it has swung immensly in favor of evil. I think the DA won, then the Dragon King took over the power they asummed after winning (cus we haven't seen anything of Shang or Quan.) If the Earth warriors lost again, well who knows what would happen. Liu Kang has returned, along with a new hero Shinjuko to stop the evil and restore the balance to all realms.

Also I don't agree with the Raiden theory, I doubt he had been corrupted as he is a perennial hero and protector of earthrealm. It seems more likely that Liu Kang would have been converted to evil than Raiden imo.

But this balancing of the furies (as it says in MKT) makes sense. When Shang Tsung won 9 straight MK's, the Great Kung Lao emerged to stop the takeover. Then Goro and Shang had won another 9 consecutive victories and Liu Kang, earth's greatest champion, defeated both to stop the occupation. Shao Kahn then lost in both outworld and earthrealm (after breaking the rules.) Shinnok and Quan Chi then lost, AGAIN to Liu Kang. Here, imo, is where the 'good' was becoming to powerful. Therefore the deadly alliance won MK5 and then the DK took the power away from them. Now evil is too powerful and the earthrealm warriors are going to balance it out again by defeating the DK.


I don’t agree with the Raiden theory either. In context it seems to easy and I don’t think Raiden could so easily be turned to evil.

I agree that the Deadly Alliance may have won MKDA and it is likely that the Dragon King has assumed control. The Dragon King taking what they had could swing the balance in favour of evil a great deal. I think it has become boring though with good always winning and this would be the perfect chance for evil to win. You may be right though. Good may be weakened and they have to bring back the balance in their favour once more.

]0MBAT Wrote:
It's true about Abacus and Zaggot - however, these comics (the ones by Malibu) never stated that each God occupied there own realm, nor did they say that Raiden would always ensure a balance.

Quite the opposite, Raiden tried (unsuccessfully) to unbalance the scales towards order, but failed.

They did show that Abacus stayed in a library - they also showed that when he summoned Goro, and Goro knocked over a bunch of books, that caused chaos in as many realms. Each book represented a realm. The place where the Gods stayed was on another plane of existence, of which our feeble human minds can barely grasp the concept.


Thanks for the info ]ombat! Well, I’m not too sure what to think about the realms issue then if they didn’t actually occupy them in the comics. Raiden failing to bring balance is interesting. That would keep things interesting and it does mean that the scales aren’t always tipped indefinitely.

Maybe the Dragon King won’t win after all, or maybe he will reign for some time. This concept of the gods of Order and Chaos is interesting but it’s also a little difficult to understand.
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 •08/07/2004 02:08 AM (UTC) •
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Fantastic theories Ty! This is well thought out and actually makes a lot of sense. However (like you), I really hope that Raiden is NOT evil in MKD. I can't see his character as anything other than noble and good. So I'm gonna believe (cause I don't wanna believe that Raiden is bad) That what Temp says is the case, and Raiden is just battle ravaged. Again, Fantastic work Ty. grin
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•08/07/2004 10:32 AM (UTC) •
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SNAKE_EATER Wrote:
heres my theory now someone was saying about goro knocking over some books to cause chaos in other realms what if the chaos god hired someone else knock over the books of outworld (hence shao kahns demise) & the dragonking's awakening

also i believe that quan chi and shang stung are still but play more of a cloak & dagger part in this for instance this game they might be faces againts the dragonking thats right i said faces only hiding somewhere thats appeared since b4 the dragonking was re-awoken so this could be why theres been no mention of them or kano

i also believe that appart from scorpions ending in mkda most of the endings that had something to do with the da was non-cannon hence why i think shang stung & quan chi are still alive, ok maybe a little bit of an ending was cannon but not the full ending

i also believe that the black dragon maybe working with the dragonking and tried to sell out quan chi & shang stung but the da were smart they knew of betrayel so they agreed to put there differences aside hiding underground in outworld regrouping preparing for a day when shao kahn would be ressurected so that he can put the dk to rest once more


Interesting theory. I doubt anyone could get into that library without Abacus' permission. Though maybe they tricked him, although he'd be very angry if that happened. Maybe he himself was clumsy causing chaos in Outworld.

I believe Shang and Quan are still alive too. I doubt they'll be hiding in this game. They have so much to lose and gain and they'll need to be fighting for it. in their own deceptive and cunning ways as always. They are in the game as far as I know and fully playable. So we'll have to wait and see.

As for the Red dragon, their allegiance is still most likely with Quan. He'll need a lot of support against the Dragon King. The Red Dragon would be good allies.

TomTaz Wrote:
Fantastic theories Ty! This is well thought out and actually makes a lot of sense. However (like you), I really hope that Raiden is NOT evil in MKD. I can't see his character as anything other than noble and good. So I'm gonna believe (cause I don't wanna believe that Raiden is bad) That what Temp says is the case, and Raiden is just battle ravaged. Again, Fantastic work Ty.


Thanks, Tazzer. Regarding Raiden, the theories including this one seem to easy and I just don't like them. I still say he is good. I am hoping that Temp is right and that Raiden is just ravaged or that I am right in thinking that he's just really pissed off.
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 •08/07/2004 10:52 AM (UTC) •
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Great post tgrant!

The "Balance in Realms" theory is great, and it would explain the MK I Raiden story, in which he appeared as a neutral character.

He really doesn't "love" humans (MK Annhilation crap), but he just help them to avoid Kaos in the realms... very nice theory.
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 •08/07/2004 11:15 AM (UTC) •
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That was great. I like the way it all fits in. Maybe Raiden desperately had no good to fight against the evil, so he had to sacrifice his ability to rise above it all just to try and balance it out. When that fails I can actually see the Thunder God worried.
So just use numbers here. It starts off 20-20, they lose members and gain members but eventually good gets the better and starts leading by quite a bit. Then all of a sudden evil swells up and good declines. With the deaths of Sonya, Jax, Kung Lao and Liu Kang, evil is surrounding Raiden. It is now 1-39 instead of 20-20. Raiden feels like he's got to use his secret weapon and bang. It ends up being 1-45 with evil still growing. I could really see Raiden starting to fear for his life.
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 •08/07/2004 01:27 PM (UTC) •
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if radian kills the dragon king will the scales become balenced once agian. that explains way his eyes are red at times.
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 •08/07/2004 02:08 PM (UTC) •
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I don't know...If this is from the MK comics by Malibu, I don't think it'll exactly affect the games' storyline...Something doesn't quite add up..
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•08/07/2004 02:21 PM (UTC) •
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abismo Wrote:
Great post tgrant!

The "Balance in Realms" theory is great, and it would explain the MK I Raiden story, in which he appeared as a neutral character.

He really doesn't "love" humans (MK Annhilation crap), but he just help them to avoid Kaos in the realms... very nice theory.


Thanks man. that could be Raidens deal if this balance story and theory is true. But, he has become like a father figure to the Earth warriors. I'm sure he really does care deeply for them!

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That was great. I like the way it all fits in. Maybe Raiden desperately had no good to fight against the evil, so he had to sacrifice his ability to rise above it all just to try and balance it out. When that fails I can actually see the Thunder God worried.

So just use numbers here. It starts off 20-20, they lose members and gain members but eventually good gets the better and starts leading by quite a bit. Then all of a sudden evil swells up and good declines. With the deaths of Sonya, Jax, Kung Lao and Liu Kang, evil is surrounding Raiden. It is now 1-39 instead of 20-20. Raiden feels like he's got to use his secret weapon and bang. It ends up being 1-45 with evil still growing. I could really see Raiden starting to fear for his life.


That's basically how it works, man. Raiden releasing his essence may have been a desperate attempt to stop the Dragon King as he knew there was nothing else he could realy do. Maybe part of the Deception is that Raiden knew that it would have no effect on him. Raiden might be planning something.

Evil is still growing as you said and things need to be balanced once again.
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 •08/07/2004 02:31 PM (UTC) •
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No you got it backwards if DK loses it will be the end of MK because good would have dominated. But if the DK wins the scales will be ballanced or close too it.
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if radian kills the dragon king will the scales become balenced once agian. that explains way his eyes are red at times.

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