i like Tobias better but Vogel is ok

MKDA and D stories are horrible...
Tobias started nicely, but lost track with MK4 onwards... the whole Shinnok / Quan Chi thing was nice, but didnt gel with the previous instalments if you know wha ti mean.
However, Vogel just stuffed it really... it has lost its atmosphere altogethernow. Now its just some pathetic fantasy mash put together... its not MK anymore.

Actually, I like Vogel's story more than Tobias.
MKDA was really good, see the Bios for characters that are huge (2 photos) and the Konquest mode with background history.
But the MKD the Story isnt so good. I like the First Person bios but the endings are worst.

Tobias is a good storyteller. MK4 endings were pretty bad. It felt they were forced to do it since it was 3-D game to have a in game fmv endings. I'll take text endings any day.Vogel is one too. Vogel did a good job at the core story of MK: DA. The ending were not as strong as past MK,but still good. MK: Deception's storyline starts off great but doesn't lift off after that, I felt that most of the new characters and the core storyline wasn't that interesting after the intro FMV ends. Again Vogel is a good storyteller but I can tell that they are trying something different in Deception. I hope for furture MK games they make the storyline better. Deception 's storyline to me wasn't a good as past MK games. Also Tobias and Vogel have/had others help them out in the storyline. It wasn't just 1 person telling one story.

Vogel. Tobias rehashed the same story over and over and over and over. vogel seesm to be planning ahead alot. we hear of the dragon king in the into of MKDA and dont get to fiht him till the end of MKD. Well over 2 years later. great suspence.

I disagree. Tobias planned ahead as well. He also given us suprises. I mean I would have never thought that Kahn would ever gain control of Earth like he did in MK3. Overall Tobias did a great job MK1 - MK4 fit together perfectly. Also not to mention he had given tons of character devopmentment to the MK world

I'll give ya some of that but i still don't see how he planned ahead well. plus he had more continuity errors then anything. Hell The opening screen says only 7 warriors survived MKI but jade & smoke are specificaly stated in the same game as MK1 warriors. I understand it said "Undiscovered warriors" so that argument could be made, but reptile would still make it an even 8 warriors. For the palnning ahead thing i guess what i mean is for example: we knew of the dragon king thruout MKDA and in Reptiles ending ...well i think we all knew what MKD was gonna be based around. in say MK1 he know nothing of outworld or shao khan. it could be said they were to be a "suprise" in MK2 but more then likey (and from documented interviews) Khan and outworld were made up for MKII. also the ends for MK 1,2,3 ended the series were cause khan,shang died in all endings. MKDA, MKD Left about 20 ways the sotry could go. some were evil won. some were good won, some were the boss survived and some were they didn't (another sign that more had already been planned for the future). but a big part in tobias defence is that he didn't know if MK1 would succeed. thus for that game he had no reason to plan furthur. But at the same time had he left it on a clifhanger it would have left us wanting more (lucky him we wanted it anyway ).

They were both good and I like how Vogel keeps it in continuity with what Tobias had already written down.
But, overall, Vogel is doing a better job than Tobias. I mean, not only are his storylines more expansive, they ELABORATE on what happened in the past MKs. I mean, all credit due to Tobias for creating it all in the first place and giving us classic moments, but Vogel is really cranking it out in keeping us in TRUE suspense. I mean, it's all so well thought out.
I loved MK:D's storyline by the way. Like I said before, people are just pissed because for once, there is no foreshadowing, and if there is, it's not clear. MK7 is TOTALLY up in the air with nobody even having a clue what might happen. People are just mad about that. Still, one thing I hope we don't see more of in the future is this LOTR-theme they have going. But that's it. Other than that, it's awesome.

I like the path where Vogel leads MKD. He added more oriental characters like Dairou and Hotaru, alongside with new faces who turned to be very dif-ferent from each other. Tobias wasn't bad, MK1-3 ruled hard and had a good athnmosphere (except MK3 maybe with all the cheezy character concepts like Stryker and Sub-Zeros design, not to mention Sheeva)
He is more of the awancing type, and really tries to separate each MK with it's atmosphere. Too bad that he left so many cliffhangers in the endings. Maybe they are going to be explained in MK7.
The catastrophe that was MK4 has been erased. MKDA has the best storyline and character design for the classics (except Sub-Zero). The fighters have been truly given personalities and motives. Midway righted their massacre of MK4 and thank god they announced that they try to back away from that kind of thing for good. (too bad they left the PC market out of their plans)
Tobias:
pro: classic feeling, he started the entire thing, god atmosphere and he added the feeling of permanency to the character/story design.
contras: nothing really, but Vogel has better ideas and he is more focusing on oriental elements instead of Nightwolves and cyborgs.
Vogel:
pro: more oriental feeling thats been lacking in MK3 and MK4, most original newcomers, reestablished liferight of earthborn warriors (Kira and Kobra), thinks more ahead, better character concepts and upgrades, more complex storyline, killing LIu Kang.
Contras: seems to get loose with the endings in MKD. He added too many opwerups to Sub-Zero (medallion and armor) and his fate is not certainly stated in MKD. Seems to overuse classic attacks on newer characters, which is only a little bit irritating.

I like all MK stories.
MKI, asian tournament style.
MKII, another world, dark story.
MK3, aaahhh! Its the apocolypse!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MK4, yay, a war story that will evolve into a big story which should span from 1997 to 2004 and maybe even futher.
MKDA, great but not my fav
MKd, very cool, love DK!!

Damn true.
The only great story that comes into my mind since MKDA is Liu kang being dead. If you like him or not, that was awesome!
...But they blew it when they brought him to life...

Damn, MK was designed to be fantasy, don't forget that!
Either way, it is still a horribly frightfull aproach to the genre

Vogel is ruining MK's story honestly. Deception in particular is incredibly lame in the storyline department. If there's one thing I hate in a story is if it has a cliche "OMG TEH UNDEFEATABLE BADASSS BOSS!!" I wouldn't mind that fact if you know, the Dragon King wasn't so one dimensional and stupid looking. He's got nothing going for him really.
It's not MK anymore. It's MK fanfiction... Oh how I miss Tobias's storytelling.

I disagree. I don't think I ever remember hearing that he was unstoppable. He can be killed by almost any character, and it's very likely he will be dead before MK7.
Onaga isn't one dimensional, he is probably one of the most complex characters in the game. Originally The DK was ruling Outworld with an iron hand, and was about to gain immortality, really making him unstoppable, but he was murdered. Now he's back from the dead being manipulated by the truly unstoppable evil force, The One Being. You know there is going to be something coming out of this, and although Onaga is just a puppet in this stage of the series, he is one of the most interesting characters to be included in MK so far, IMO.

Sure, you can beat him easily in the arcade mode but that really means nothing in the storyline department. You can beat him using Kira yet Raiden, Shang Tsung, and Quan Chi couldn't even put a scratch on him. He's incredibly overpowered, but that's not the real point.
Onaga is incredibly one dimensional. Sure, he's got a backstory but a backstory means nothing if he doesn't have anything to show for it. The MK team gave him almost no personality, he doesn't have any interesting aspects in that realm. Onaga doesn't show any real personality beyond "I will rule all the realms bwahahaha!" and how he was being 'deceptive' in tricking Shujinko.
Compare him to Shang Tsung. Shang Tsung has the in-depth backstory but not only that but he has a very developed personality. He's petty, he's greedy, he's arrogant, he's also capable of incredible cruelty. He has a personality. He's not one dimensional.
Plus the Dragon King looks stupid. More or less being a wannabe Ogre, a character that wasn't cool to begin with.

spoilers are some where in this rambling of typing so if you have not experienced the thrill of mkd's storyline dont read!!!
tobias and vogel are both great and you cannot simply choose between the 2 without an elaberate talk which im not going to get into. now people you have to remember that the orignal mk story was not well you have to say not greatly planned because boon and midway spent little time on the game an mk was ment to be a quick project. they never expected it to be big. when mk blew up and mk2 came around not only did they revamp the fighting, the characters, moves, and stages, but went more in depth with the story. giving mk a better background andmoving the story ahead by saying liu kang won and shao khan was emperor of a realm called outworld were shang tsung would try to trap earths warriors into competting into a outworld mortal kombat tournement. mk3 tobias satrted to falter by intorducing the all out war concept. for me its a good idea but the war idea blew intothe monster idea of shit that is known as mk4.
now vogel i think was orignally helping tobias with the story because they expanded so many times with mk3 and they di it with mk4 in makeing mkgold and they did it with mkda by creating the version for gameboyadvance.
mk has a amazing a nd unique story line but with all the rehasing, the plot holes, and re-cannoinzeing everything mk well is kinda of running stale. yes the expanison and giving more in depth background like with older sub-zero and about the amulet which would later lead into mk4-mkd. mkmytholgies and mksf is nice storyline wise but mksf background really was not needed. they should keep giving games like mksm a chance and a go. mksm is supposlevy more background info on mk2-and mk3. thgis is a good idea but will it draw mks story out to much? now if you look with mkda they recannoinze some things and the same in mk4 which makes the storyline more confusing.
now tobias did a good job on the story. the mk tournment and shan tsung being a evil sorrcer workiong for an evil emperor that rules a waste land of a realm and earth has to foght for freedom. brilliant storyline. the war between earth and out world brilliant.
mk-mk3,mkt,umk3 storyline great
mk4 started off with the war. old and already used out
mkm-mk4,mkg-started off great with the quest for the amulet,died out the minute war broke into the story line for the 2nd time
vogel now did a great job takeing over the mk storyline. mkda picks of were mk4 left off. the formation of the deadly alliance and the amulety ius great. konquest gave great background detail and made the story better. now mkd picked off were mkda left off too. mkd satrted off great but died out at the end. yes the idea of the kamidogu and shujinkos quest through out the reqalms is brilliant and a well thougt idea but damashi and some of the plot holes well just are bad. but overall the story is great. the endings for 90% ofg the fighters were bogus. sub-zero endings you are left unsure what his fate is but then again the element of mystery is nice. havik had a good ending but for most of the reason that half the characyers are involved in the chaos order war is well boring. it has no point to the story so far. wait i retract that. it does have a point for the forecoming of shao kahn again. sorry my bad.
any way people say we do not will happen in mk7 as far as boss and storyu wise. look at noobs, havik and ermacs endings. you will see that there is a mysterious powerful being controlling onaga and shao kahn will most likely be reserected.
mkda-mkd-great and impressive, deep storyline
tobiasd did a great job writting the story ands so is vogel right now. vogel is tho makeing mk more in depth and adding more orignality . but both are great.
o and sorry for the elaberate ramble that i just jotted down. i said i wouldnt do that. the stuff up there is just story info and my opinon on how they did writting the mk story. i could not do better.

MK was about trying to conquer Earthrealm.
MK1 shang Tsung tried and failed.
In MK2 we found out that he was a puppet of Kahn
In MK3 he said "to hell with the tournament, I'm invading!"
I think that's how new characters could easily fit in the game.
MKDA kept most part of that ideal and still have the best storyline in MK history
In MKD we've got characters who don't have anything to do with the Dragon king's quest, DK was trying and gets 6 objects to rule the realms like a damn RPG.
This game should be renamed "Konquest"
BTW when does MK4 takes place in the story?

a few years after mk3. u could look at gavoks plot line at kombat pavillion which is right on the links at this site