The reason I'm being a hardass is because I see relentless disregard to the truth. Ermac is dead. Kabal is dead. Another reason I'm being a hardass is because I see people clinging to the past instead of embracing the future. Perhaps i'm still angry because I just saw some thread about Kabal being in 100% and that I have a dire hatred for internet jackasses. If Midway wanted to include Ermac and Kabal in the game, they would have been in the last game, but they aren't. The creators chose to create new characters and advance the plot of DA in a positive way. They killed Ermac and Kabal to finish off their stories because they thought they were just important enough to include story on. Just be happy that they aren't Stryker or some other worthless fuck.

Solid_Snake: I respect your opinion, but you have yet to explain how Kabal's "apparent" and "rumored" demise has been deemed fact. You have also presented no proof or information of Ermac ceizing to exist. All we know was that he's been freed, and last time he was spoken of, he was still a ninja.

You're taking things too far SolidSnake18. People can thing or believe whatever they want, No matter what you say.

There's nothing saying that they are infact dead. Kabal, Most likely. Ermac, No. As for them not being around recently? Characters dissapear into and out of MK games all the time. Kano, Johnny Cage, Scorpion, Cyrax, Sonya, Kung Lao, Shang Tsung. Most of them were either dead or thought dead. So cool your jets for two reasons. #1. You're working yourself up, And #2. 'Cause you're pissing people off for no reason

Good point, however...
If Kabal were presumed dead by Mavado, then Mavado would have taken the hookswords and buggered off home.
Kabal would have recovered and gone on to fight in MK3...with hookswords...
So it can't have happened before MK3, unless Kabal had another pair of hookswords sitting on his mantlepeice at home or something, because if Mavado had thought Kabal dead, and taken his swords, then how is it that Kabal was able to fight with them in MK3?

(or perhaps i'm not on track here and have am talking about something different altogether)

xcarnagex Wrote: Remember, Kabal was left for dead by Kahn's extermination squads, and he may have been presumed dead by Mavado. TemperaryUserName Wrote: Shit, me out of all people should have remembered that. Anyway, that's a very solid point there.

krackerjack Wrote: Good point, however... If Kabal were presumed dead by Mavado, then Mavado would have taken the hookswords and buggered off home. Kabal would have recovered and gone on to fight in MK3...with hookswords... So it can't have happened before MK3, unless Kabal had another pair of hookswords sitting on his mantlepeice at home or something, because if Mavado had thought Kabal dead, and taken his swords, then how is it that Kabal was able to fight with them in MK3? (or perhaps i'm not on track here and have am talking about something different altogether) xcarnagex Wrote: Remember, Kabal was left for dead by Kahn's extermination squads, and he may have been presumed dead by Mavado. TemperaryUserName Wrote: Shit, me out of all people should have remembered that. Anyway, that's a very solid point there.

does kabal have a home? more importantly does he have a mentle piece?

Absolutely.
If he didn't, where would he hang his christmas stocking?

Yea, you did kind of interpret that wrong. Essentially, I meant Kabal is a survivor. Kahn's extermination squads thought he was dead, then when he faught Mavado AFTER MK3 Mavado thought he had killed him, but Kabal recovered.

Figures.
i think i'm adding soething intelligent to the conversation then BAM! i find out i have no idea what i'm talking about.

Anyway yeah i see what you ment now.

This characters were dead, or thought to be dead and came back:

Goro
Mileena
Kano
Johnny Cage
Shang Tsung
Reptile
Quan Chi
Sektor
Baraka

And others. So, I say anything could happen to others whose fate we ignore like Kabal, Ermac, and the rest.

I'm going to explain this clearly about Ermac.

“Kenshi sympathized with the plight of the enigmatic kombatant, Ermac. The Outworld warrior spirits that had manifested themselves in the form of a ninja had been violated by Shao Kahn in much the same way that Kenshi's ancestors had been enslaved by Shang Tsung. Kenshi was taught the Telekinetic Slam by Ermac in return for freeing him from the control of the Emperor.”

Ermac was "the outworld warrior spirits manifested into a ninja". Therefore he was never a real human to begin with. When spirits are freed in the MK universe, they pass on to the afterlife (if you need confirmation of that, watch the movie). Therefore, when Ermac was freed, he was broken as an entity, and the spirits passed on.

As for Kabal, extermination squads are different from mafia. Extermination squads are meant to kill large amounts of people and no matter how efficient Kahn's squads are, it is still far easier to survive in comparison to a vicious man trying to prove himself to the mafia. If you are Mavado, you not only hate the black dragon but naturally fear failing before the red dragon. Mavado would have been quite thorough in his killing of Kabal. The hookswords are the nail in the coffin. The word "rumored" was used to create that classic mob feel. There is a lot of hearsay and rumor "on the streets". Thats what they were going for.

Now lets address characters that were dead that they brought back to life. First off, I have never liked Johnny Cage. They should have left him fucking dead. Shang Tsung is an important character holds great meaning in the plot. Goro was just half-assed to bring him back in 4. They were just too lazy to make a new worthy opponent. I'll continue this later, i have some reading to do.

SolidSnake18 Wrote: Ermac was "the outworld warrior spirits manifested into a ninja". Therefore he was never a real human to begin with. When spirits are freed in the MK universe, they pass on to the afterlife (if you need confirmation of that, watch the movie). Therefore, when Ermac was freed, he was broken as an entity, and the spirits passed on.

The Mortal Kombat movie is non-canon, btw.

Ermac was freed from Shao Kahn's control- His control, His grasp. Not freed from the physical world. And Ermac does have a physical body due to magic and all the souls are collected inside of him.

Now Kabal i do think is dead. But Mavado doesn't have to prove himself to any Mafia, He's the leader. And how are Hook Swords Mafia related?

Mavado is a member, not the leader, he is a member. The importance of taking the hookswords was that they are trophies of his defeat over Kabal.

About Ermac, what kind of control would Shao Kahn have over Ermac in the physical realm? Its not like Ermac was in a cage like a princess and Kenshi beat Kahn. The limitation that Kahn had over Ermac was the ability of the spirits to pass on. Whether you agree or not, it is the most plausible explanation.

TemperaryUserName Wrote: I'm making this thread because it seems everyone is pretty eager to see who will be in MK6(myself especially).

Yes we're all eager to know. But you don't know, don't post these things I mean
Ok definite : Stryker
Unlikely : Everyone esle...

There's one thing I must ask: why does everyone thinks that baraka is dead? like, c'mon, baraka's ending in MK Gold NEVER happened, due to the fact that everyone that Quan Chi stated who were dead aren't (I'm not sure about Shinnok, though). Even if it is true, the MK Team won't take it into consideration, because MK4/Gold's storyline was literally shunned in MK:DA (especially Cyrax and the whole reprograming situation), so Baraka isn't dead and he could be in MK IV.

Oops, I was mistaken about Mavado. I was thinking of Mavado as the leader of the Red Dragons like Kano is the leader of the Black Dragons.

That explanation in Kenshi's story is vague about Ermac. But nothing directly states or hints that Ermac was killed. It just states that Kenshi helped Ermac, and Ermac helped Kenshi in return. So what is really to say is, How could Ermac as an individual teach Kenshi telekinesis if the hundreds, maybe thousands of individual souls were released from the "Ermac" shell?

Maria_Linda Wrote: Yes we're all eager to know. But you don't know, don't post these things I mean Ok definite : Stryker Unlikely : Everyone esle...

If you have a problem with the topic, please don't post. Reasonable, thoughtful speculation is usually somewhat accurate, and no one is really saying these lists are indisputable. Expect to see more character lists threads in the future, from both me and other users.

mccauslander Wrote: Even if it is true, the MK Team won't take it into consideration, because MK4/Gold's storyline was literally shunned in MK:DA (especially Cyrax and the whole reprograming situation), so Baraka isn't dead and he could be in MK IV.

Not quite. There were a lot of aspects of the MKG story that held true in MK:DA.
-Goro making peace with Kitana and Kung Lao.
-Cyrax joining the special forces.

But, there are contradictions, especially with Cyrax. According to MKGold the Lin Kuei rescued him from the desert; according to MKDA the special forces rescued him.

And SolidSnake18, I didn't really sense any "mafia feel" regarding Mavado and the death of Kabal; I don't think that's what the MK team was trying to imply with the apparently's and rumored's; I think they were trying to establish doubt. That's the premise for the suggestion that he could still be alive. And as for Ermac, it seems to me that he couldn't have taught Kenshi his telekinetic powers if the souls had already passed on; and I doubt a being under the control of evil would teach Kenshi, a warrior on a mission for the good guys, anything useful.

Really? I only downloaded the endings, so I never got the whole experience of MKGold. I stand corrected, then.

well, i haven't played mkgold, but i have read alot about the events of the game on the net.