Ain't I a stinka

ggs to dan. that jump of yours is the shit is like you can do the kick at any time in the air and be safe. it do not look like a deep kick. good shit


ggs to nakm.... one more counter pick for ermac. sonya owns him. i was trying to adapt him to sonya like i adapted my kabal to sonya that is why i keep using ermac but i could not and i was getting mad

Subzero is SAFE. NOOB isnt. nuff said. dont be afriad of the parry cancel buddy.

No one can use Dairou as good as dave. im not gonna say hes low tier then.

Versatile can beat any one w/ subby. One needs to learn how to counter stuff w/ Subbies weapon B+2 like vers does. the throw takes 12% right off the bat. so if broke he's still dishes out 12%. the 3 is very safe, hits mid and a free throw. Clone, fireball which he can parry cancel if some one tries to attack him.

good players like vers and check can get those crazy combos w/ him that are comparable to Noobs.

Noob is easy to use, thats why he's high tier. no way is he better then subby tho.

i cant use either, both are hard for me to use. i can use DAEGON and Kano better then the 2 of them. its the player not the character.

most cant use Tanya. theres Nakm, SZ2, Xios and myself. im pretty damn sure most arent beating top scorpions and dairous w/ her like myself.

she fits my playing style to a T. safe low poke, tracking mid attacks, free throws all stuff that helps me win.





Bal_Sac ~

top 10 as of now or all time?

as of now

1 ~ Riu/SZ2/ME
4 ~ Check
5 ~ Karate
6 ~ Xios
7 ~ Lone
8 ~ Bal_Sac ~ your prollly real good, i just havent played you in forever.
9 ~ Booya
10 ~ Bone


Iron mike quits and cries when things dont go his way. he wants to win every fight, but guys like me arent allwoing him to. he tries to Turtle. my deep kicks drive him nuts.

a guy that cant adapt to that shit cant be considered top 5. try it on him, you'll own him 100%.


i now see you were facing SZ2 not iron mike. yep SZ2 is a top player now.

^^^

Dan, Versatile's Subzero Can't beat me, look at our matches. I beat him like 4 or 5 times when he used Subzero. He won like 1 or 2 with Subzero.

Subzero is however alot more safe then Noob. I'll give him that. But against other characters like Kung Lao, Kano, Drahmin, Scorpion, Dairou, etc, Subzero is infireor(sp?)

Btw, when was the last time you fought Subzero or used him? Subzero's value has dropped as we learn new tactics and adaptations. I wish I could still use him but sadly, he is not good enough for me.

its been awhile since Vers played tho. im sure id beat him to in a series.


how ever tho

Subzero when used right is the perfect counter to DANCOCK.

Everything you said can be said about All the tops tiers tho. thats when you come up w/ new ways to fight w/ that high tier. like Tanya i had to remove my low pokes vs Rius Kung lao and use her low pokes less vs his scorpion. its prolly what i have to do for her to start beating vers and such. sadly vers quit before i got better and changed my style a bit w/ the Deep kick.

i still say Subzero is top 5.

1 ~ Sareena
2 ~ Dairou
3 ~ Scorpion
4 ~ Drahmin
5 ~ Sub~Zero
6 ~ Tanya
7 ~ Kung Lao
8 ~ Noob
9 ~ Kenshi
10 ~ Quan Chi

sz2, the only reason you say that sub isnt top is because:

1) you have given up on him
2) rarely anyone uses him well enough

The last time i fought you was sometime in mid-march and i was almost even with your drahmin with my sub. Remember you said that you were being too offensive? I personally think sub is above drahmin but i might be wrong.

I am probably not the same level as versa's sub but very few characters give me SEVERE trouble. The main ones that come to mind are sareena, dairou and somewhat scorpion. Boston's mileena is an anamoly as well. But from what i can see, sub is definitely top 5, if not top 4.

Riu might have a better sub than me since i lose to him in mirrors, so he might be able to back me up on this. But yea, apart from 2-3 characters, sub doesnt have many bad match-ups.

I actually think your Subzero is tougher to beat then Versa's.

i do not use subzero usely but my sub has not problem fighting vs any character but a good dai and a good sareena.

subzero is better than noob why.? because noob is not good to attack people he has to force people to come after him why because he is not very safe. subzero can do both.

is not how easy is to use the character is how good the character is when is use at a hight lavel play.

sub vs noob i think that noob is a close fight but i think that noob can win that battle. now i have not fight a noob that can beat my kobra in a series and i never say that kobra is better than noob.

yes, Riu is right. Subzero is better in setting up offense. Noob's offense is more of a counter than anything else. Although, if a noob player turtles with blood off and invisibility, it can get really hard to win. d+4 in shoto is what makes sub better at 50/50 as well imo.

Now that i think about it, even Sareena can be competed with if the sub player can be really patient. However, Dairou still remains sub's worst matchup (imo) cause he is better at turtling, has great anti air attacks, and kind of nullifies sub's clone since dai rarely has to chase anyone.

Dan, you saying GGs from last week, right? That's the last time I was on, otherwise someone figured out the password for my account. >_<

Kano gives Sub problems in a matchup? Why, cause of his Laser special? Can't Kori B+2 punish a blocked laser at the right distance? I wouldn't know since I haven't fought a Kano with Sub but it would seem so, B+2 has good range. Meh, maybe only Tanya's Drill Kick can punish that special appropriately. Regardless, even if it can't I don't see Kano beating Sub in a series.

Just trying to see where you're coming from as far as that matchup is concerned.

p.s. Hollow Ichigo be beasting people for free.

lol sz2, i didnt realize you put kano on the list too. No way does Kano beat sub in a series.

Lone, i started watching bleach lately. Between Naruto and Bleach, i really cant decide which one i like more. Both got great storylines.

Yeah, I'm leaning towards Bleach at the moment. Naruto *might* be back on top when Sound and Akatsuki come back into full play, I read the manga and crazy stuff is coming up.

By the way, check out Hajime no Ippo(boxing) and Initial D(racing) if you haven't, I watched both when Naruto and Bleach ran through fillers. Those are also extremely good. D's animation evolves as the series progresses. .

Yeah man I'm tellin you. Sonya's a nasty bitch if you know how to use her correctly. B+3 and D+1 all day buddy! LOL.

GGs to ERSMACK
and what's up with GANON choosing his kak?

she is good vs kabal and ermac but she is not as good as you are thinking.

she does not do as good vs characters like noob, kobra, sareena, scorpion, subzero, nightwolf, kung lao, quan chi , jade, li mei, liu kang, kano, shinnok. and one of her worst match-ups shang tsung.

any one w/ a decent low poke that goes towards like Tanyas D+4 Deagons D+4 etc > sonya.

shes in the 40 tier area in the game.



turtle her and shes dead.




This is why Kobra should have kept Kali Sticks he has the distance game to complement his up close game.



i miss Kali Sticks on him

but yea i do hate facing Sonya and Kira while im Kabal. i found ways to beat very good sonyas w/ him. but top Kiras its tough.

Looks like we are going to have to fight Tanya vs Scorp again,So i can show you that your list is inaccurate.

me 2 . ill have to show how sareena's knifes kill deep kicks

you put BONE in top 10 but not NAKM?

well guys

Quit Bitching

beat me in a series then.



Karate ~ every time i try to play you i get some silly "user is busy message".

Bone ~ Deep kicks> the knifes your funny. i dont think your Sareena has ever given me problems. i guess ill see this "new and improved 1".
i use her now too, and i dont need the silly Knifes to win



About Nakm, that was a mistake, but i spent about 2 mins doing it so sorry O_o

Nerd!! Get a LIFE!

lol . when have we had a series dude . we should have one . the last one we had was months ago and we d/c at the end and you werent able to log back in . all we do is deep kick practice lol . time to face my sareena the killa hehe .

Hmm. I think she might do decent vs most of those guys except the top 10, Jade, and Liu Kang. But just admit it RIU. You like my Sonya, lol. It sucks she's not top-tier like she was in MKDA. Her Kali Sticks plus Tae Kwon Do was a bitch to deal with. Fighting her in MKDA was like fighting Kobra in MKD.

I'm about to log on to the server if anyone wants some games