MK chars in this game = survivors?
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posted04/29/2008 01:02 AM (UTC)by
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Nefrit
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My theory is that MK characters we'll see in this game are those who survived after Armageddon.... Just like Boon said, not many (10-12), the most popular, the most recognizable! Do you think this may be true?
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XiahouDun84
04/26/2008 07:59 PM (UTC)
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Hope not.
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Sub-Frost055
04/26/2008 08:14 PM (UTC)
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No. This game cannot be relevent to Armageddon. Do you know how many people would never return if this was following Armageddon?

Lets see... 62-22= 40... you mean you think that 40 characters are all dead? I highly doubt Boon would let so many characters die because of this game.

No, I really do not beleive that this game's characters are the survivors of Armageddon.

CHEERS!grin
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RazorsEdge701
04/26/2008 08:15 PM (UTC)
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Uh...your math is wrong. Half of the 22 characters are DC guys.
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JohnBoyAdvance
04/26/2008 08:28 PM (UTC)
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I doubt the 10 - 11 Mortal Kombat Characters that are in this game are the only survivors of Armageddon.
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04/26/2008 08:45 PM (UTC)
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But I remember Boon said not many characters will survive Armageddon sad
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XiahouDun84
04/26/2008 08:49 PM (UTC)
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Nefrit Wrote:
But I remember Boon said not many characters will survive Armageddon sad

Which was back when MK8 was going to be a "fresh start" and new chapter for the franchise....before they decided to make it a crossover with DC.

So I think(hope) we can put the "only a few characters survived Armageddon" thing on hold for the time being.
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Sub-Frost055
04/26/2008 09:10 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Uh...your math is wrong. Half of the 22 characters are DC guys.


"Oh sorry, let me redo the whole thing again" (Sarcasim)

62-11 51...

God, do you like making girls act like they're not smart? Jesus Christ, get a life!
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04/26/2008 09:15 PM (UTC)
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Oh, I'm an equal opportunity smartass. I never miss an opportunity to point out when anyone is wrong. grin
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04/26/2008 09:50 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't go as far as saying that these 10 or 11 characters are the only surviving ones, but I do think they are some of them. I really think Taven's ending was true, about a third option happening and the realms becoming more unstable. I honestly think midway has been planning this cross over for quite a while because it fits too perfectly with MKA or at least it could fit. Whats a better time of doing a cross over when the entire universe is going heywire??
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04/26/2008 10:20 PM (UTC)
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I was reading an interview from the main page, and Boon said that games should be reborn every so often. So I think, and hope, that this has NOTHING to do with any previous games except background info and realms etc. So "survived Armaggedon" translates to "decided to bring back."
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04/26/2008 10:41 PM (UTC)
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pistolized Wrote:
I was reading an interview from the main page, and Boon said that games should be reborn every so often. So I think, and hope, that this has NOTHING to do with any previous games except background info and realms etc. So "survived Armaggedon" translates to "decided to bring back."


No, he was meaning fighting mechanics and engine wise. Cause you can have a great story but if game after game after game have just the same exact fighting mchanics, it gets boring. Why do you think out of the million fighters that were out in the late 80's or early 90's are now defunct? None are still running except MK, there may be some that are getting rebirths and ect, but they hasn't been running all these years like MK has. So to keep things from getting dull, Boon will be introducing a new engine and mechanics every new generation
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04/27/2008 04:15 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Nefrit Wrote:
But I remember Boon said not many characters will survive Armageddon sad

So I think(hope) we can put the "only a few characters survived Armageddon" thing on hold for the time being.

I think we might be "misusing quotation marks" here, too.
My recollection was that references were always a lot more vague, referring more to paring down the characters included, rather than necessarily mass extermination post-Armageddon.

My impression has been that nothing referring to MK8 around MKA has been contradicted. We've got substantially less MK characters in the game; we've got a fresh story; we've got a bunch of "new" characters; and the fight engine, for all intents and purposes, has been rebuilt.
Most of those promises seem to have paid off, if I'm not forgetting or misquoting something...
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04/27/2008 04:22 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
I think we might be "misusing quotation marks" here, too.
My recollection was that references were always a lot more vague, referring more to paring down the characters included, rather than necessarily mass extermination post-Armageddon.

My impression has been that nothing referring to MK8 around MKA has been contradicted. We've got substantially less MK characters in the game; we've got a fresh story; we've got a bunch of "new" characters; and the fight engine, for all intents and purposes, has been rebuilt.
Most of those promises seem to have paid off, if I'm not forgetting or misquoting something...

Well, when Armageddon was being made, Boon claimed it was to be the end of the current era of stories and implied it would be the last we see of a lot of the current cast of characters. That, coupled with the implications of Armageddon and the end of the world, suggested mass casualties to me.
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04/27/2008 04:29 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
Well, when Armageddon was being made, Boon claimed it was to be the end of the current era of stories and implied it would be the last we see of a lot of the current cast of characters. That, coupled with the implications of Armageddon and the end of the world, suggested mass casualties to me.

You certainly weren't alone in that assumption, and I think that's probably one of the main reasons people still think that was the case. It got blown out of proportion by the usual hysteria.

The way you've worded it kinda highlights the jumped conclusion.
MKvsDC definitely represents a new chapter in the MK saga, and features relatively few returning characters. I've certainly felt that was always the context in which it was described.
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04/27/2008 03:53 PM (UTC)
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That would be gay... because they're basing the characters on their compatability with DC Universe. VERY gay if it's canon.

Seriously, MK9 needs to pick up after MKD. MKA was just an excuse to throw everything together. I do NOT like Taven and all that Blaze bull shit.
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04/27/2008 07:35 PM (UTC)
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I'm betting that this game will either make no mention of what time in the MK universe the game actually happens, or it will be revealed to be an "in betweequel" (in other words, this game took place around the time of the old games).

Keep in mind that some cataclysmic event can always cause something to happen to where the events in the game never happened at all, thus rendering the entire thing non-canon. This happens in comics all the time and usually involves time travel. Time travel has been mentioned in MK only once, it is revealed in Reptile's MK4 ending that Shinnok has the power to do it....assuming he was telling the truth.

In fact there was one crossover story (Justice League vs Wildcats, I believe) where someone went back in time and changed something, and went they went forward again, they were in an alternate version of Earth's future. Instead of them ending up in the Earth the way the DC universe portrayed it, they ended up in Earth the way the Wildcats universe portrayed it. Thus leading to one theory that all the "alternate Earths" or "alternate universes" out there are really the same one, just in a different timestream.
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04/27/2008 07:55 PM (UTC)
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Time travel has been mentioned in MK only once, it is revealed in Reptile's MK4 ending that Shinnok has the power to do it....assuming he was telling the truth.


It's a good thing endings aren't canon huh? Because that would make no sense, even if it were true. He would have went back in time and killed Raiden before ever being banished. Then there would be no MK blah blah blah paradox this paradox that.
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04/27/2008 08:00 PM (UTC)
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It's a good thing endings aren't canon huh? Because that would make no sense, even if it were true. He would have went back in time and killed Raiden before ever being banished. Then there would be no MK blah blah blah paradox this paradox that.


All depends on how the rules of time travel are specifically laid out. For instance, Shinnok may have been stripped of the ability to time travel himself as punishment for what he did, but he might still have the ability to send others through time. Or perhaps he cannot travel to any point in time where he already exists because then there would be 2 of him; but he can send Reptile to any point in time that existed before he was born. All the crazy rules that the writers make up are half the fun of all time travel stories ;)
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04/27/2008 08:04 PM (UTC)
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XTREEMIST Wrote:
Seriously, MK9 needs to pick up after MKD. MKA was just an excuse to throw everything together. I do NOT like Taven and all that Blaze bull shit.


Oh it's too late for that now.

Kitana and Frost's MKD Unchained endings tie directly into Armageddon, and there are things that happen in MKA that cannot be denied. The game explains things that tie all the way back to Deadly Alliance, like the origin of the Red Dragon clan and where the mysterious and abandoned arctic temple that Sub-Zero turned into the Lin Kuei's new HQ came from. And most importantly, the bios that were posted on the website explain how Onaga was defeated.
Vogel wouldn't call a complete mulligan on that much information. I could see him retconning small details of Armageddon, though, like Scorpion now being the leader of an army of zombie ninjas and hating the gods. Scorpion is the mascot character of the series. He can't stay a villain.
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04/27/2008 08:23 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
XTREEMIST Wrote:
Seriously, MK9 needs to pick up after MKD. MKA was just an excuse to throw everything together. I do NOT like Taven and all that Blaze bull shit.


Oh it's too late for that now.

Kitana and Frost's MKD Unchained endings tie directly into Armageddon, and there are things that happen in MKA that cannot be denied. The game explains things that tie all the way back to Deadly Alliance, like the origin of the Red Dragon clan and where the mysterious and abandoned arctic temple that Sub-Zero turned into the Lin Kuei's new HQ came from. And most importantly, the bios that were posted on the website explain how Onaga was defeated.

Vogel wouldn't call a complete mulligan on that much information. I could see him retconning small details of Armageddon, though, like Scorpion now being the leader of an army of zombie ninjas and hating the gods. Scorpion is the mascot character of the series. He can't stay a villain.


He wasn't a villian to begin with. He's been neutral 99% of the time. And if he did ally himself with the real villian(s), it was for his own motives.
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04/27/2008 09:02 PM (UTC)
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Maybe you don't remember this, or blocked it out because it was so stupid, but Scorpion turns villain in Armageddon, dude. He's pissed at the Elder Gods, so he tries to stop Taven from making it to the pyramid, so that Armageddon will destroy all of creation.
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04/27/2008 10:24 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Maybe you don't remember this, or blocked it out because it was so stupid, but Scorpion turns villain in Armageddon, dude. He's pissed at the Elder Gods, so he tries to stop Taven from making it to the pyramid, so that Armageddon will destroy all of creation.


I guess that makes part of the 1% when I said 99% neutral huh?
... again, his own motive.
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04/27/2008 10:37 PM (UTC)
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Either way, he can't keep that motive going into the next game, because wanting to destroy the Elder Gods and all the realms, and using an army of zombies to do it, would make him a full fledged evil character. So I think Vogel will, for the plot of the next game, keep most of what happened in Armageddon, but retcon out Scorpion's part and find something else for him to do.
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04/28/2008 01:10 AM (UTC)
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All depends on how the rules of time travel are specifically laid out.

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