Mortal Kombat Armageddon: End of the Elder Gods?
Mortal Kombat Armageddon: End of the Elder Gods?
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posted04/18/2006 12:13 AM (UTC)byMember Since
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As Raiden is in his new personality and character, it is quite possible that Raiden might end the lives for the elder gods. There are a couple ways of this possibility:
- In Mortal Kombat Deception, Raiden's ending was this: "My patience with mortals has worn thin, for they have been a threat to Earthrealm. If I am to protect my realm, then I must punish those who indanger it." (or something along that line).
Well what is to stop Raiden's patience running thin with the elder gods? The elder gods really havn't been much of a help to protect Earthrealm, all they have done is made the tournament known as Mortal Kombat to help. Mortal Kombat doesn't guarentee Earthrealm's safety, just a quite possibilty that Earthrealm's warriors will win the tourny.
Now this could be the perfect reason for Raiden to destroy them. If even the elder gods will not help with the war up to come, then what use are they in general? For Raiden, they don't have a use. Raiden cares about saving Earthrealm, the elder gods could care less. This could lead up to Raiden finally disposing the elder gods once and for all.
- With Fujin in this next game it could also lead to Raiden's dismise. As Raiden has already turned more strict and angry from the foolishness of Shujinko, then there might be something else that may finally set that anger to go out of control. This is where I am going with Fujin:
As Fujin is possibly well known to Raiden, the wind god, what if he was somehow to possibly die in the game? What would Raiden do? Well I think that he would blame the elder gods for not insuring protection for another elder that made himself mortal for the protection of Earthrealm. Which would actually be a really good reason.
As the elder gods wouldn't even protect their companion Fujin, who was once an immortal as them, Riaden would feel that they don't even care for the mortals on Earthrealm, but might actually pose a threat of carelessness? Thus for their carelessness, Raiden then destroys them for their stupidity.
Should be interesting to see what your thoughts are on this.
Black-Rose
- In Mortal Kombat Deception, Raiden's ending was this: "My patience with mortals has worn thin, for they have been a threat to Earthrealm. If I am to protect my realm, then I must punish those who indanger it." (or something along that line).
Well what is to stop Raiden's patience running thin with the elder gods? The elder gods really havn't been much of a help to protect Earthrealm, all they have done is made the tournament known as Mortal Kombat to help. Mortal Kombat doesn't guarentee Earthrealm's safety, just a quite possibilty that Earthrealm's warriors will win the tourny.
Now this could be the perfect reason for Raiden to destroy them. If even the elder gods will not help with the war up to come, then what use are they in general? For Raiden, they don't have a use. Raiden cares about saving Earthrealm, the elder gods could care less. This could lead up to Raiden finally disposing the elder gods once and for all.
- With Fujin in this next game it could also lead to Raiden's dismise. As Raiden has already turned more strict and angry from the foolishness of Shujinko, then there might be something else that may finally set that anger to go out of control. This is where I am going with Fujin:
As Fujin is possibly well known to Raiden, the wind god, what if he was somehow to possibly die in the game? What would Raiden do? Well I think that he would blame the elder gods for not insuring protection for another elder that made himself mortal for the protection of Earthrealm. Which would actually be a really good reason.
As the elder gods wouldn't even protect their companion Fujin, who was once an immortal as them, Riaden would feel that they don't even care for the mortals on Earthrealm, but might actually pose a threat of carelessness? Thus for their carelessness, Raiden then destroys them for their stupidity.
Should be interesting to see what your thoughts are on this.
Black-Rose
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As in brothers I mean brothers to being once elder gods. Like how we are all human, we are brothers to human society. I didn't mean blood related, just so we are both seeing on the same page. (I'll edit that so everyone understands)
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Depends on what Onaga's story is really, or whoever takes the merged Kamidogu for their hand. Whoever would take it would be supreme ruler of all the realms, correct? Kind of what like the elder gods are, just with more power and actually supervising ALL of the realms, not just some.
So to all the would, they would oppose the holder of the merged kamidogu. Unless someone else says otherwise, it makes sense. Might be better to have someone evil control the realms, then stead of people Neutral. Makes the story both more complex, and more interesting.
So to all the would, they would oppose the holder of the merged kamidogu. Unless someone else says otherwise, it makes sense. Might be better to have someone evil control the realms, then stead of people Neutral. Makes the story both more complex, and more interesting.
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Nice work, but I don’t see it happening.
From what I understand, since Raiden wasn’t an original elder god, he won’t have quite as much power as they have. Raiden and about 3 other gods were created to govern the earth. I don't think the elder gods would've given him enough power to destroy themselves, even counting when Raiden rose in position to elder god in MK4. Besides being mentioned in MKA, I don't think the elder gods are going to do anything.
From what I understand, since Raiden wasn’t an original elder god, he won’t have quite as much power as they have. Raiden and about 3 other gods were created to govern the earth. I don't think the elder gods would've given him enough power to destroy themselves, even counting when Raiden rose in position to elder god in MK4. Besides being mentioned in MKA, I don't think the elder gods are going to do anything.
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Drifting_Ravage Wrote:
Nice work, but I don’t see it happening.
From what I understand, since Raiden wasn’t an original elder god, he won’t have quite as much power as they have. Raiden and about 3 other gods were created to govern the earth. I don't think the elder gods would've given him enough power to destroy themselves, even counting when Raiden rose in position to elder god in MK4. Besides being mentioned in MKA, I don't think the elder gods are going to do anything.
Nice work, but I don’t see it happening.
From what I understand, since Raiden wasn’t an original elder god, he won’t have quite as much power as they have. Raiden and about 3 other gods were created to govern the earth. I don't think the elder gods would've given him enough power to destroy themselves, even counting when Raiden rose in position to elder god in MK4. Besides being mentioned in MKA, I don't think the elder gods are going to do anything.
Good point, but is which I brought up the "dark" side of Raiden. It is pretty much proven that if your angry, then you're more strong at that time. Go sock a pillow when you aren't angry, and when you are. There will be a difference. Now since this is what a possibilty might be, either one of my opinions above might get him angry enough to gain that much power from it. Possibly enough to oppose the elders?

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Great thoughts Black Rose, i was also thinking that Raiden would not be able to destroy and eradicate the elders, as they would not be so foolish as to make him powerful enough to over power all of them. As you said, Raiden's new "Grumpy or "Raged" state may make him able to do a lot more damage, but to eradicate all the elder gods i think would be a suicide mission. He could take 1 or 2 but not them all, if he converted Fujin to think on the same lines as him maybe Fujin could help then it may be enough.
Overall good thoughts.
Overall good thoughts.

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Hm, you've obviously put a lot of thought into this theory, and it's very interesting, though there's a few loopholes. One, I don't think Fujin was originally an Elder God. He is assumably a "Demi-God" as Raiden was, wasn't for a while (during his Elder God days), then is again.
Two, given this statement...
...I'm assuming you've misunderstood the One Being's structure. The One Being is the realms, shattered by the Elder Gods. Once someone has merged the Kamidogu and summoned the One Being, the realms themselves would collapse in order for their essence to reform the One Being. Though, if an evil-doer were to cause this process (going by Onaga's potential Ending), they may be able to merge the One Being into themself and ultimately become it. With that power, Onaga was going to be able to create and destroy reality as he saw fit, where that being is then assumed to continue living in "the Void" or the remnants of the universe. However, this may also be possible for a good guy to achieve, since little is known about that concept. Going a little off-track here, Li Mei's Ending also proves that the merger of the Kamidogu has the potential to select one or possibly more mortals to survive the armageddon. In theory, if a good-doer were to become the One Being (which this may well be the case, as it allows the continuation of Mortal Kombat, eliminates the One Being storyline and doesn't fail to meet the expectations set by the game's title), they could select the other good guys to accompany him/her and end evil, as well as rebuild the realms accordingly. If it were someone with enough dignity and self-establishment, like, say, Kung Lao, they would probably destroy themselves after setting the universe back on course, as dictatorship or reigning the realms wasn't required or wanted. Unlike "Elder God", I doubt "One Being" is an easy title to stand down from, either.
Finally, Raiden was seemingly angered with the Elder Gods before MK:D, during MK:DA. He relinquished his status as Elder God because, while a deity, he'd foreseen what the Deadly Alliance could achieve through domination and basically begged the others to intervene. Receiving an unforgiving no, Raiden became disgusted with their lack of action and left (which couldn't have been on a pleasant note). That's about where he began hating the Elder Gods, and it's just as well he did, otherwise the Deadly Alliance would've had enough time to forge their reign before Onaga returned, as detailed in the MK:D opening sequence. Though, it did lead to Raiden's darkening...so it's a win/lose situation. Though, this proves that accepting a position as Elder God doesn't eliminate any independent thought or rather, it doesn't "brain-wash" you, strangely proving that the Elder Gods are somewhat "risk-takers" in that they figured that Raiden was intelligent and understanding enough to fit the role. Given, if Raiden were in his present state and still an Elder God, he could've simply turned around and kicked some ass. Phew, done.
Back on topic, I've thought about something along these lines of Raiden ambushing the Senate of the Elder Gods and wreaking some destruction, though I can't see him surviving it. Fujin alongside, he'll probably survive a bit longer...remember, these are the Elder Gods, though. Mortals stand no chance against them and I doubt they'd create minions so that one day they'll be powerful enough to destroy them. A build-up of anger would again push him a bit further, but anger is blinding and weakens accuracy. It's actually a hard scenario to depict, as little if not no information is known about them and their abilities, in-depth, at least. And that's about it.
Two, given this statement...
Black-Rose Wrote:
Depends on what Onaga's story is really, or whoever takes the merged Kamidogu for their hand. Whoever would take it would be supreme ruler of all the realms, correct? Kind of what like the elder gods are, just with more power and actually supervising ALL of the realms, not just some.
So to all the would, they would oppose the holder of the merged kamidogu. Unless someone else says otherwise, it makes sense. Might be better to have someone evil control the realms, then stead of people Neutral. Makes the story both more complex, and more interesting.
Depends on what Onaga's story is really, or whoever takes the merged Kamidogu for their hand. Whoever would take it would be supreme ruler of all the realms, correct? Kind of what like the elder gods are, just with more power and actually supervising ALL of the realms, not just some.
So to all the would, they would oppose the holder of the merged kamidogu. Unless someone else says otherwise, it makes sense. Might be better to have someone evil control the realms, then stead of people Neutral. Makes the story both more complex, and more interesting.
...I'm assuming you've misunderstood the One Being's structure. The One Being is the realms, shattered by the Elder Gods. Once someone has merged the Kamidogu and summoned the One Being, the realms themselves would collapse in order for their essence to reform the One Being. Though, if an evil-doer were to cause this process (going by Onaga's potential Ending), they may be able to merge the One Being into themself and ultimately become it. With that power, Onaga was going to be able to create and destroy reality as he saw fit, where that being is then assumed to continue living in "the Void" or the remnants of the universe. However, this may also be possible for a good guy to achieve, since little is known about that concept. Going a little off-track here, Li Mei's Ending also proves that the merger of the Kamidogu has the potential to select one or possibly more mortals to survive the armageddon. In theory, if a good-doer were to become the One Being (which this may well be the case, as it allows the continuation of Mortal Kombat, eliminates the One Being storyline and doesn't fail to meet the expectations set by the game's title), they could select the other good guys to accompany him/her and end evil, as well as rebuild the realms accordingly. If it were someone with enough dignity and self-establishment, like, say, Kung Lao, they would probably destroy themselves after setting the universe back on course, as dictatorship or reigning the realms wasn't required or wanted. Unlike "Elder God", I doubt "One Being" is an easy title to stand down from, either.
Finally, Raiden was seemingly angered with the Elder Gods before MK:D, during MK:DA. He relinquished his status as Elder God because, while a deity, he'd foreseen what the Deadly Alliance could achieve through domination and basically begged the others to intervene. Receiving an unforgiving no, Raiden became disgusted with their lack of action and left (which couldn't have been on a pleasant note). That's about where he began hating the Elder Gods, and it's just as well he did, otherwise the Deadly Alliance would've had enough time to forge their reign before Onaga returned, as detailed in the MK:D opening sequence. Though, it did lead to Raiden's darkening...so it's a win/lose situation. Though, this proves that accepting a position as Elder God doesn't eliminate any independent thought or rather, it doesn't "brain-wash" you, strangely proving that the Elder Gods are somewhat "risk-takers" in that they figured that Raiden was intelligent and understanding enough to fit the role. Given, if Raiden were in his present state and still an Elder God, he could've simply turned around and kicked some ass. Phew, done.
Back on topic, I've thought about something along these lines of Raiden ambushing the Senate of the Elder Gods and wreaking some destruction, though I can't see him surviving it. Fujin alongside, he'll probably survive a bit longer...remember, these are the Elder Gods, though. Mortals stand no chance against them and I doubt they'd create minions so that one day they'll be powerful enough to destroy them. A build-up of anger would again push him a bit further, but anger is blinding and weakens accuracy. It's actually a hard scenario to depict, as little if not no information is known about them and their abilities, in-depth, at least. And that's about it.


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I can only see Raiden toppling the Elder Gods with the One Beings help a la posessing him.
Which is a likely possibility i think.
Also if Raiden does destroy them it leaves the door open for him to be in later MK games.
Perhaps as boss of the next one. Not really to sure.

Which is a likely possibility i think.
Also if Raiden does destroy them it leaves the door open for him to be in later MK games.
Perhaps as boss of the next one. Not really to sure.
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Or Raiden could do his suicide bomb in the process. Unless that would whipe out any of them, like it had no affect on Onaga. Good thoughts and points everyone.
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This sounds like Star Wars Ep. 3 when Anakin Finally give in to the darkside and attacked the Jedi Temple.
But I am sure Raiden wouldn't have light sabers or anything.
Say Raiden was able to convince the earthrealm warriors and some others that the elder gods posed a threat which would allow TOB to return. Then Raiden has got an army that he could use to attack the senate of the elder gods, and if they don't see it coming they could very well be destroyed.
You might even see Raiden be consumed by his anger and turn evil, you know how it is once someone has tasted more power they can't get enough of it.
This sounds like Star Wars Ep. 3 when Anakin Finally give in to the darkside and attacked the Jedi Temple.
But I am sure Raiden wouldn't have light sabers or anything.
Say Raiden was able to convince the earthrealm warriors and some others that the elder gods posed a threat which would allow TOB to return. Then Raiden has got an army that he could use to attack the senate of the elder gods, and if they don't see it coming they could very well be destroyed.
You might even see Raiden be consumed by his anger and turn evil, you know how it is once someone has tasted more power they can't get enough of it.
It could happen but ti would mean Mortal konbat would have to be taken in a much different direction. This is because the end of the Elder Gods would mean the end of the Mortal Kombat tournament, and this is what the past 7 games have been about.
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Hang on, just because Raiden or anyone else trashes the elder gods, doesn't mean the MK tourny is gone, knowing raiden, he would keep it, after all, it was honorable until shang and khan got their mits on it

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Great thread, Black-Rose.
Raiden is my fave MK character so I had to post here.
Now, I like the theory you have here and the idea behind it and it could totally happen, but for me, I'd prefer that such a thing did not. Imo, it'd diminish his character and him turning on the Elder Gods and attemtping to kill them would just make him evil and go against all he stands for.
He has denied their wishes in the past because he believes that the mortals of Earth stand a fighting chance and that they cna become a great people and protect their realm. The Elder gods believe that the mortals should be left alone and that the gods should not interfere with their fates beyond the rules already set in Mortal Kombat. They could easily have put an end to threats liek Kahn and the Deadly Alliance but they want the mortals to deal with their fates themselves.
MKD shows them actually taking action a little by making Scorpion their Champion, but they're not doing it for the good of mortals, but for the good of themselves. they do not want the One Being back as they more than likely won't be able to stop it when it returns.
Sure the Elders don't seem to give a damn about Earth and come across as selfish, but I believe Raiden knows the reasons they choose not to interfere. Him turning against them would probably be suicidal, but lets not forget he defeated Shinnok and he was an Elder god. Raiden would be in Shinnok's league if he suddenly turned traitor and doing so would be an act of him trying to force his opinions on them. The Elders won't budge in their stance until the very end when they have no chance, imo. Raiden wouldn't stand a chance against them all, but he's smart and I don't think he'd take them on all at once.
As for Fujin dying, if he comes to Earthrealm as a mortal and sacrifices his immortality to do so and help defend Earth, then Raiden shouldn't be angry at the Elder gods. That was Fujin's decision and Fujin's problem to deal with. Fujin knew the risks as did Raiden the many times he has the done the same thing in the past. If of course, he still exists as a god on Earth, like Raiden in MKD, then he'll just have his energies reform later on elsewhere.
Excellent thread, dude.
Raiden is my fave MK character so I had to post here.
Now, I like the theory you have here and the idea behind it and it could totally happen, but for me, I'd prefer that such a thing did not. Imo, it'd diminish his character and him turning on the Elder Gods and attemtping to kill them would just make him evil and go against all he stands for.
He has denied their wishes in the past because he believes that the mortals of Earth stand a fighting chance and that they cna become a great people and protect their realm. The Elder gods believe that the mortals should be left alone and that the gods should not interfere with their fates beyond the rules already set in Mortal Kombat. They could easily have put an end to threats liek Kahn and the Deadly Alliance but they want the mortals to deal with their fates themselves.
MKD shows them actually taking action a little by making Scorpion their Champion, but they're not doing it for the good of mortals, but for the good of themselves. they do not want the One Being back as they more than likely won't be able to stop it when it returns.
Sure the Elders don't seem to give a damn about Earth and come across as selfish, but I believe Raiden knows the reasons they choose not to interfere. Him turning against them would probably be suicidal, but lets not forget he defeated Shinnok and he was an Elder god. Raiden would be in Shinnok's league if he suddenly turned traitor and doing so would be an act of him trying to force his opinions on them. The Elders won't budge in their stance until the very end when they have no chance, imo. Raiden wouldn't stand a chance against them all, but he's smart and I don't think he'd take them on all at once.
As for Fujin dying, if he comes to Earthrealm as a mortal and sacrifices his immortality to do so and help defend Earth, then Raiden shouldn't be angry at the Elder gods. That was Fujin's decision and Fujin's problem to deal with. Fujin knew the risks as did Raiden the many times he has the done the same thing in the past. If of course, he still exists as a god on Earth, like Raiden in MKD, then he'll just have his energies reform later on elsewhere.
Excellent thread, dude.
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Raiden won't do something like that. One theory is that he's being controlled by the One Being. He's still the same Raiden who would never defy the Elders.
Black-Rose Wrote:
As Raiden is in his new personality and character, it is quite possible that Raiden might end the lives for the elder gods. There are a couple ways of this possibility:
- In Mortal Kombat Deception, Raiden's ending was this: "My patience with mortals has worn thin, for they have been a threat to Earthrealm. If I am to protect my realm, then I must punish those who indanger it." (or something along that line).
Well what is to stop Raiden's patience running thin with the elder gods? The elder gods really havn't been much of a help to protect Earthrealm, all they have done is made the tournament known as Mortal Kombat to help. Mortal Kombat doesn't guarentee Earthrealm's safety, just a quite possibilty that Earthrealm's warriors will win the tourny.
Now this could be the perfect reason for Raiden to destroy them. If even the elder gods will not help with the war up to come, then what use are they in general? For Raiden, they don't have a use. Raiden cares about saving Earthrealm, the elder gods could care less. This could lead up to Raiden finally disposing the elder gods once and for all.
- With Fujin in this next game it could also lead to Raiden's dismise. As Raiden has already turned more strict and angry from the foolishness of Shujinko, then there might be something else that may finally set that anger to go out of control. This is where I am going with Fujin:
As Fujin is possibly well known to Raiden, the wind god, what if he was somehow to possibly die in the game? What would Raiden do? Well I think that he would blame the elder gods for not insuring protection for another elder that made himself mortal for the protection of Earthrealm. Which would actually be a really good reason.
As the elder gods wouldn't even protect their companion Fujin, who was once an immortal as them, Riaden would feel that they don't even care for the mortals on Earthrealm, but might actually pose a threat of carelessness? Thus for their carelessness, Raiden then destroys them for their stupidity.
Should be interesting to see what your thoughts are on this.
Black-Rose
As Raiden is in his new personality and character, it is quite possible that Raiden might end the lives for the elder gods. There are a couple ways of this possibility:
- In Mortal Kombat Deception, Raiden's ending was this: "My patience with mortals has worn thin, for they have been a threat to Earthrealm. If I am to protect my realm, then I must punish those who indanger it." (or something along that line).
Well what is to stop Raiden's patience running thin with the elder gods? The elder gods really havn't been much of a help to protect Earthrealm, all they have done is made the tournament known as Mortal Kombat to help. Mortal Kombat doesn't guarentee Earthrealm's safety, just a quite possibilty that Earthrealm's warriors will win the tourny.
Now this could be the perfect reason for Raiden to destroy them. If even the elder gods will not help with the war up to come, then what use are they in general? For Raiden, they don't have a use. Raiden cares about saving Earthrealm, the elder gods could care less. This could lead up to Raiden finally disposing the elder gods once and for all.
- With Fujin in this next game it could also lead to Raiden's dismise. As Raiden has already turned more strict and angry from the foolishness of Shujinko, then there might be something else that may finally set that anger to go out of control. This is where I am going with Fujin:
As Fujin is possibly well known to Raiden, the wind god, what if he was somehow to possibly die in the game? What would Raiden do? Well I think that he would blame the elder gods for not insuring protection for another elder that made himself mortal for the protection of Earthrealm. Which would actually be a really good reason.
As the elder gods wouldn't even protect their companion Fujin, who was once an immortal as them, Riaden would feel that they don't even care for the mortals on Earthrealm, but might actually pose a threat of carelessness? Thus for their carelessness, Raiden then destroys them for their stupidity.
Should be interesting to see what your thoughts are on this.
Black-Rose
I like it; however, it would be cool to see Raiden get so fed up, that he decides to do away with Mortals.
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Going away with the mortals wouldn't be the right ending for Raiden. I am hoping that it does indeed involve something that I have posted above.
Tgrant - Nice thoughts and points. But just because he is your favorite character doesn't mean that he can't turn dark. Wouldn't you rather have a favorite character, that is evil? Come on, lol!
Tgrant - Nice thoughts and points. But just because he is your favorite character doesn't mean that he can't turn dark. Wouldn't you rather have a favorite character, that is evil? Come on, lol!
I want Raiden to go on a power trip or what ever, but must be destroyed by Fujin. It's just time for him to step aside, give someone else the limelight for awhile. Fujin would make a great protector of Earthrealm. Though I can't really see Raiden attacking the Elder Gods, it is just too...Shinnokish for me. Plus, the Elder Gods really can't do anything. They must let life pass on its own and not interfere.
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No, Raiden should stick with the mortals. He has done good with protecting them, and keeping them safe. Fujin really doesn't have any experience in this situation, he won't know what to do with them, or how to deal with the problems that comes towards earth. And besides, Raiden can whoop Fujin easily.

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Black-Rose Wrote:
Going away with the mortals wouldn't be the right ending for Raiden. I am hoping that it does indeed involve something that I have posted above.
Tgrant - Nice thoughts and points. But just because he is your favorite character doesn't mean that he can't turn dark. Wouldn't you rather have a favorite character, that is evil? Come on, lol!
Going away with the mortals wouldn't be the right ending for Raiden. I am hoping that it does indeed involve something that I have posted above.
Tgrant - Nice thoughts and points. But just because he is your favorite character doesn't mean that he can't turn dark. Wouldn't you rather have a favorite character, that is evil? Come on, lol!
I'm open to him changing, but being evil would diminish who he is. It's like Shang being good! This isn't an opinion based on him being my fave character. And I have alot of fave characters on all 3 alignments, neutral, good and evil!
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But of corse having him being more dark then what he is now would be a cool thing.

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Black-Rose Wrote:
But of corse having him turn evil would be a cool thing, then stead of being dark. Who knows, maybe this could be his last MK game?
But of corse having him turn evil would be a cool thing, then stead of being dark. Who knows, maybe this could be his last MK game?
Hopefully not, or MK is done for me!
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But then your new favorite character could be Fujin 
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