Noob-Smoke and the future of Tag-Team
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Noob-Smoke and the future of Tag-Team
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posted09/26/2004 11:08 PM (UTC)byChimera,
(1) A grotesque product of the imagination
(2) An animal formed from two different animals
(3) An organism combining tissues derived from two or more genotypes
(4) Greek Myth, fire-breathing she-monster with a lion's head and a goat's body and a serpent's tail
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Ed Boon, at some point or another (I'm almost positive that it was during the E3 coverage), has said that the sub-boss would be a "Chimera." While most believed that (4) was true, it seems that the other three were actually the case.
It is my personal opinion that 'fusing' two of the important characters in the franchise was actually a wise decision from the MK Team.
Obviously, there are warrors in the franchise that have better synergy with one another than those chosen. Take, for example, Kenshi and Ermac. Their stories are already tied into one another and both characters have a similar play style. (What else would you expect from a mentor and an apprentice?) Would this actually be a good combination? Probably not, the characters are far too alike and may as well be seperate. The same, while less so, also proves true for Frost and Sub-Zero..
The obvious merger in the franchise? The Deadly Alliance. This would have made for a very interesting final confrontation as well as an interesting play mechanic. The latter was obviously considered by the team. I think we can all agree that this (The Deadly Alliance) was the fruit of the idea.
To the point... I would like to discuss Noob-Smoke from a gameplay perspective and how they may prove themselves as a vehicle for future games in the series. While I've never been very fond of Tag Team fighting, it seems that Boon and Company are heading in that direction.
Sidenote - I know the characters don't really mesh well story-wise. I'm not one who plays the game solely for story.. For those of you that do, I'm sure that the MK Team has found a good reason to have them fighting along side one another..)
Two fighters can prove to be quite a challenge.. I've been thinking about how this can change things in the game's universe:
Projectiles (Namely those that stop the player):
This could be very interesting if it were integrated in the right way. If Sub-Zero were to freeze Noob, styles could be changed and Smoke could fight in place/block until the effects have worn off.. This could easily disrupt the balance of the game so I would assume some kindof limitation would be set in place.
From an offensive standpoint, projectiles could be thrown by either one of your fighters. Using a button combination for Smoke's projectile would allow him to throw it from elsewhere while you still control Noob.. Having danger coming from different directions on screen could be an interesting change....
IN FACT, if your partner could throw something from the opposite side of the screen, this could prove to be good and bad.. If you hit your opponent, great! If not, you may have to suffer the damage. (Noob could send out his clone and accidently slam Smoke, for example.. Sub-Zero could freeze Frost, Ermac could accidently throw Kenshi, etc.)
Combos (Emphasis on Juggles):
This was lightly touched upon by Boon in a past interview. Noob-Smoke is apparently capable of combos that require both fighters. This is just an extension of the style-branch combo system but having two fighters at your disposal might actually prove more useful than that.
Catching someone in a combo could actually prove more integral to the fight than ever (Lord help us) if you manage to end with a juggle. While your opponent is in the air, you could switch to your second character and continue the combo for a few extra points of damage and then end with a throw or a special move involving the use of both characters.
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These are just two examples. I wouldnt want to see Mortal Kombat putting emphasis on a Tag-Team format but I could see where some aspects would benefit.. Perhaps, once the game has ironed out its errors and problems, we may see an additional tag-team mode where characters are paired with one another.. Who knows?
Wow! Sorry... Looking back, I had no idea this post was beginning to drag on so long.. I'm going to stop here and allow input. Let me know what you think and include some of your own ideas. I'm interested to know some other viewpoints on this...
(1) A grotesque product of the imagination
(2) An animal formed from two different animals
(3) An organism combining tissues derived from two or more genotypes
(4) Greek Myth, fire-breathing she-monster with a lion's head and a goat's body and a serpent's tail
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Ed Boon, at some point or another (I'm almost positive that it was during the E3 coverage), has said that the sub-boss would be a "Chimera." While most believed that (4) was true, it seems that the other three were actually the case.
It is my personal opinion that 'fusing' two of the important characters in the franchise was actually a wise decision from the MK Team.
Obviously, there are warrors in the franchise that have better synergy with one another than those chosen. Take, for example, Kenshi and Ermac. Their stories are already tied into one another and both characters have a similar play style. (What else would you expect from a mentor and an apprentice?) Would this actually be a good combination? Probably not, the characters are far too alike and may as well be seperate. The same, while less so, also proves true for Frost and Sub-Zero..
The obvious merger in the franchise? The Deadly Alliance. This would have made for a very interesting final confrontation as well as an interesting play mechanic. The latter was obviously considered by the team. I think we can all agree that this (The Deadly Alliance) was the fruit of the idea.
To the point... I would like to discuss Noob-Smoke from a gameplay perspective and how they may prove themselves as a vehicle for future games in the series. While I've never been very fond of Tag Team fighting, it seems that Boon and Company are heading in that direction.
Sidenote - I know the characters don't really mesh well story-wise. I'm not one who plays the game solely for story.. For those of you that do, I'm sure that the MK Team has found a good reason to have them fighting along side one another..)
Two fighters can prove to be quite a challenge.. I've been thinking about how this can change things in the game's universe:
Projectiles (Namely those that stop the player):
This could be very interesting if it were integrated in the right way. If Sub-Zero were to freeze Noob, styles could be changed and Smoke could fight in place/block until the effects have worn off.. This could easily disrupt the balance of the game so I would assume some kindof limitation would be set in place.
From an offensive standpoint, projectiles could be thrown by either one of your fighters. Using a button combination for Smoke's projectile would allow him to throw it from elsewhere while you still control Noob.. Having danger coming from different directions on screen could be an interesting change....
IN FACT, if your partner could throw something from the opposite side of the screen, this could prove to be good and bad.. If you hit your opponent, great! If not, you may have to suffer the damage. (Noob could send out his clone and accidently slam Smoke, for example.. Sub-Zero could freeze Frost, Ermac could accidently throw Kenshi, etc.)
Combos (Emphasis on Juggles):
This was lightly touched upon by Boon in a past interview. Noob-Smoke is apparently capable of combos that require both fighters. This is just an extension of the style-branch combo system but having two fighters at your disposal might actually prove more useful than that.
Catching someone in a combo could actually prove more integral to the fight than ever (Lord help us) if you manage to end with a juggle. While your opponent is in the air, you could switch to your second character and continue the combo for a few extra points of damage and then end with a throw or a special move involving the use of both characters.
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These are just two examples. I wouldnt want to see Mortal Kombat putting emphasis on a Tag-Team format but I could see where some aspects would benefit.. Perhaps, once the game has ironed out its errors and problems, we may see an additional tag-team mode where characters are paired with one another.. Who knows?
Wow! Sorry... Looking back, I had no idea this post was beginning to drag on so long.. I'm going to stop here and allow input. Let me know what you think and include some of your own ideas. I'm interested to know some other viewpoints on this...

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Tag-team should never be part of MK. I haven't even played the game yet, and you can say what you want about me saying this and that without even playing it yet, but still, Smoke and Noob Saibot should be 2 separate characters. There's no fun if you can't have Smoke with 2 of his own fighting styles and a weapon of his own, and Noob with 2 fighting styles and a weapon style of his own. Their winning stance looks gay and it just looks like an attempt to save space. It would've been better if they had just kept them as a sub-boss as a combination but 2 different fighters when you wanna choose them. MK will go to hell if it adds another tag-team in it.
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Actually, I agree. I don't like the idea of Mortal Kombat switching over to a tag-team franchise... But I can see Boon attempting this.
When it comes to the combination of characters, it really wasn't a matter of saving space.. They wanted to do something different with the characters and it looks like it got a mixed reception from the fans.
Also, for those of you that though it was based on laziness, if you consider the extra work that would go into programming, etc... It would require much more work to make the two characters work together as one.
When it comes to the combination of characters, it really wasn't a matter of saving space.. They wanted to do something different with the characters and it looks like it got a mixed reception from the fans.
Also, for those of you that though it was based on laziness, if you consider the extra work that would go into programming, etc... It would require much more work to make the two characters work together as one.


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Ed Boon NEVER said that the sub-boss would be a Chimeria. That was pure fan speculation. Nothing official ever confirmed it.
Also, Fusing Smoke and Noob gameplay wise was really hurtful towards both fanbases, for Smoke especially. It was cruel to make fans wait eight to ten years for him to return and then bring him back incomplete.
Also, Fusing Smoke and Noob gameplay wise was really hurtful towards both fanbases, for Smoke especially. It was cruel to make fans wait eight to ten years for him to return and then bring him back incomplete.
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You have a point..
The MK Team was trying something new for the series and not everyone is going to accept it. I agree that Smoke and Noob shouldn't be fused. That was something that should have happened for The Deadly Alliance...
Then again, any fanbase of Quan Chi and/or Shang Tsung would be disappointed because their character was "added on" to another one. Yes, they may feel incomplete..
I agree and I don't want a focus on Tag-Team.. I'm just afraid that the MK Team may be heading that direction and I'd like to discuss all of it and try and bring the good points to the top of the stack.
EDIT: And Temp, just to clarify... Even though Ed Boon didn't say it (I apologize for my mistake), the Sub-boss is still a Chimera, technically..
The MK Team was trying something new for the series and not everyone is going to accept it. I agree that Smoke and Noob shouldn't be fused. That was something that should have happened for The Deadly Alliance...
Then again, any fanbase of Quan Chi and/or Shang Tsung would be disappointed because their character was "added on" to another one. Yes, they may feel incomplete..
I agree and I don't want a focus on Tag-Team.. I'm just afraid that the MK Team may be heading that direction and I'd like to discuss all of it and try and bring the good points to the top of the stack.
EDIT: And Temp, just to clarify... Even though Ed Boon didn't say it (I apologize for my mistake), the Sub-boss is still a Chimera, technically..
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I find the idea interesting i just wish he hadn't picked Noob and Smoke. I was so stoaked about playing as Smoke again, but hes not even really Smoke anymore.
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I know..
Smoke must be the most changed character in the Mortal Kombat Universe... He's gone from a human to a cyborg to an elemental that's fused with a member from the Brotherhood of the Shadow.. :/
Smoke must be the most changed character in the Mortal Kombat Universe... He's gone from a human to a cyborg to an elemental that's fused with a member from the Brotherhood of the Shadow.. :/


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aye, but with hope, mk7 will bring a stand alone smoke

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| [tBR]Ghost Wrote: aye, but with hope, mk7 will bring a stand alone smoke |
someone please find me a way to contact midway or ed boon himself to tell them this =/ there's so much about mk that they should know that could make mk so much better (including getting rid of the farts). i would love to see smoke look much cooler, not the way he does now cuz his face looks awkward, but i really hate how it's noob-smoke. noob saibot and smoke were 2 awesome characters, that should've never been combined. like i said, it wouldn't have mattered much to me if it was like this: you play noob and once he's dead you play smoke, but you still have the same amount of energy (or you only gain half of what you had). but in the character selection screen, it's two different characters with 2 different spots on the screen. sure it's good for a different approach on mk, but it already has a lot of negative feedback. don't get me wrong though, i WILL unlock noob-smoke and play as them, but i don't think i'll really enjoy it much, unless i get proved wrong somehow.
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It wouldn't be all that bad if both Noob Saibot and Smoke had separate endings depending upon which character you finished the dragon king with. But their ending will probably be pretty lame as is.
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Who knows.. I'm actually excited about playing as the two of them. I'm trying to make the best of the tag-team situation.
Maybe they'll prove most of us wrong and it will be that much more fun? Even so, I wouldn't want to see it implemented with other characters...
Maybe they'll prove most of us wrong and it will be that much more fun? Even so, I wouldn't want to see it implemented with other characters...
This may be way out there, but what if they were only tagged together in Arcade mode and you could unlock them as seperate characters through other methods to play as? There's alot working against that possibility but I wouldn't say it's totally out of the question. Afterall, at one point and time we did have Endurance Matches.
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You actually pose a good point..
While highly unlikely, a friend seems to think that they can be seperated. I've seen a lot of people around the forums hoping for the same thing..
I'm afraid it may just be false hopes, though. :(
While highly unlikely, a friend seems to think that they can be seperated. I've seen a lot of people around the forums hoping for the same thing..
I'm afraid it may just be false hopes, though. :(

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| keepoppin Wrote: You actually pose a good point.. While highly unlikely, a friend seems to think that they can be seperated. I've seen a lot of people around the forums hoping for the same thing.. I'm afraid it may just be false hopes, though. :( |
That was something I was thinking about, but remember all the different (some fakes though) character selection screens that were out there? One had a space with 2 characters in it, and of course it was Noob-Smoke, but I saw many others that didn't. They may have been old or something, but who knows. Maybe they changed it at the LAST second and made one of the original characters who were gonna be on the selection screen, a super-unlockable (maybe liu kang?), and gave Noob and Smoke two different spots. Or there might be something in Konquest or the Krypt that lets you split them up.
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We can all hope..
I just hope that they play well together if they can't be seperated.
I just hope that they play well together if they can't be seperated.
| TemperaryUserName Wrote: Ed Boon NEVER said that the sub-boss would be a Chimeria. That was pure fan speculation. Nothing official ever confirmed it. Also, Fusing Smoke and Noob gameplay wise was really hurtful towards both fanbases, for Smoke especially. It was cruel to make fans wait eight to ten years for him to return and then bring him back incomplete. |
Now that is what I'm talking about. Someone who understands.
The MK Team screwed over all Smoke and Noob Saibot fans. I wanted Smoke to have 2 styles and a weapon along with Noob having that. Now they each only get one style and from the looks of things, no weapon what so ever.
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