Noob-Smoke! How do we make them great? Let me tell you….
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As much as I dislike the idea of Noob-Smoke, I think the idea has potential. I haven’t seen the videos of them in action, but I have read what others have seen. Some of the many possibilities which could have been used thanks to the combination of these two characters seem to have been overlooked.
In order to make them great, we must firstly consider that there are two of them. And secondly we must consider their abilities. Combine the two and you have a force to be reckoned with. Here are my ideas.
For these ideas, I will assume that Noob has complete control over the power of Shadow and that Smoke has complete control over smoke.
Firstly, I’d like to see some circus like acrobatics with these two. Tag team attacks where they propel each other into the air and over the opponents head to attack from behind would be great to see.
The coolest thing about these two now is the way they can go about attacking their enemy. Imagine the situation. You are whoever you picked and Smoke is stood in front of you. Noob is stood behind Smoke. You go to launch an attack. We’ll go with a punch in this case. Smoke doesn’t block, but fades out and becomes smoke. Your attack does no damage and you are momentarily open for a beating. Which is where Noob comes in, hitting you through Smokes hazy body. You stumble back and smoke becomes solid again as Noob pulls back his arm. And then you charge at Smoke, but as soon as you approach he fades again and Noob launches into a combo, stepping through his hazy body and appearing in front of Smoke now whilst continuing his combo. This would be so awesome!
Another tactic would be for Smoke to advance on you and launch an attack in order to make you block. Upon the connection, his hand or foot would become smoke and Noob would run up and attack low or high to break through your block.
Noob can also launch attack from the shadows in dark areas, whilst any mist areas will be perfect terrain for Smoke to launch sneaky, unseen attacks. Noob can leap in and out of them at will, and maybe even attack your opponents shadow and inflict minor damage on them that way.
Smoke can dive at the opponent as if he were doing Raidens torpedo only to phase out, pass around them, reform and attack from behind with a throw or sweep. He can also spin around during combos or become smoke and launch extra hits from the smokey haze. (A link to a past thread of mine featuring some attacks I made for him would have been here, but the forum search is disabled.) Smoke could also become a smokey haze and travel along the ground. On occasion his hands can appear and grip the enemies legs allowing Noob to step in and combo.
So, what do you think and what ideas have you got?
I may update later with some Fatalities.
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09/04/2004 09:00 PM (UTC)
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Very nice! I like how you have Smoke constantly setting people up for damage at Noob's hands...they think the attack is coming from Smoke..yet he never connects. Very sneaky, just as these two would be. I've seen the vids of these guys and they use a ridiculous amount of teamwork. Very good thread Ty!
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09/04/2004 09:04 PM (UTC)
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TomTaz Wrote:
Very nice! I like how you have Smoke constantly setting people up for damage at Noob's hands...they think the attack is coming from Smoke..yet he never connects. Very sneaky, just as these two would be. I've seen the vids of these guys and they use a ridiculous amount of teamwork. Very good thread Ty!

Thanks, Tazzer! Smokes power allows him to do all of that set up work and it is highly dangerous. It should definitely be utilised in game. I haen't actually seen the vids, so I'm not too clear on how they work to gether, but using some of these ideas would help take full advantage of what they're capable of.
If they are indeed the sub boss, then they should be made deadly.
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09/04/2004 09:06 PM (UTC)
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Good thread and I agree. Those are bad ass ideas.
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09/04/2004 09:26 PM (UTC)
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your ideas are awesome as always! smile
I was one the MK fans that were extremely disappoited with the whole Noob Smoke idea... personally I wouldn't like to see Kenshi ( my fav char) becoming one char with Ermac, and then be called Ermashi! wow
But I've seen them in game and they look great! If they added your ideas, they'd be a badass character! grin
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09/04/2004 09:35 PM (UTC)
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sounds like the ghost twins from the matrix...
very cool stuff you thought up there
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09/04/2004 09:43 PM (UTC)
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Something everyone is over-looking is the fact of two characters fighting as one.
I don't know how they're going to divide two hand-2-hand styles and one weapon, So lets assume that each of them have two hand-2-hand and one weapon that we just don't know about. That's essentially one character with six styles!
And to make matters worst. I heard some time ago (not sure if it was confirmed) that each character will have five special moves... That means basically one character with ten special moves!!
Put together with the tag-teaming when they switch, Which will be very hard to block or counter. We possibly have a sub-boss that could finally put Kintaro to shame!
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09/04/2004 09:44 PM (UTC)
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ROFLMAO, Ermashi? WTF? I would go with Kermac
BTW great thread dude
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09/04/2004 10:54 PM (UTC)
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i saw a video of them in action. they fight pretty cool
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Siduu101
09/04/2004 10:56 PM (UTC)
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Noob and Smoke are in love so I won't be using them anymore.
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09/05/2004 01:40 PM (UTC)
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GraveDigger Wrote:
Something everyone is over-looking is the fact of two characters fighting as one.
I don't know how they're going to divide two hand-2-hand styles and one weapon, So lets assume that each of them have two hand-2-hand and one weapon that we just don't know about. That's essentially one character with six styles!
And to make matters worst. I heard some time ago (not sure if it was confirmed) that each character will have five special moves... That means basically one character with ten special moves!!
Put together with the tag-teaming when they switch, Which will be very hard to block or counter. We possibly have a sub-boss that could finally put Kintaro to shame!

From what I've read I believe they don't use a weapon. Their third style is where they both fight together. Their first two styles see them fighting on their own.
Hopefully these two will be worthy sub bosses. All others have had Kintaros shadow to live in and haven't been anywhere near as challenging as he was. Noob-Smokehas the potential to surpass Kintaro. We will hopefully see them do that.
Brunão Wrote: your ideas are awesome as always! I was one the MK fans that were extremely disappoited with the whole Noob Smoke idea... personally I wouldn't like to see Kenshi ( my fav char) becoming one char with Ermac, and then be called Ermashi! But I've seen them in game and they look great! If they added your ideas, they'd be a badass character!

Thanks, man!
I am disappointed with the Noob-Smoke idea as a character I like was put together with a character I hate. I'm a Smoke fan and don't like Noob. Hopefully I'll grow to like this duo and I hope they'll imprss me when I finally see what they can do in game.
They already are "Great" IMO.
But these idea's will make them even more great than they are already, therefore complete bad-azz.
Good stuff Tizzrone glasses

EDIT: Noob owns Smoke (Just thought i'd say that...)

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09/05/2004 01:59 PM (UTC)
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IcedOutLinKueiWarrior Wrote:
They already are "Great" IMO.
But these idea's will make them even more great than they are already, therefore complete bad-azz.
Good stuff Tizzrone EDIT: Noob owns Smoke (Just thought i'd say that...)

So they weren't that great if you think these ideas would help them! wink tongue
Thanks, bro!
And Smoke OWNS Noob! grin

tgrant Wrote:
So they weren't that great if you think these ideas would help them!
Thanks, bro!
And Smoke OWNS Noob!

They are already great, this would make them greater I said!
Noob owns Smoke AND you, so shush!
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09/05/2004 02:18 PM (UTC)
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You have some good ideas for them Tgrant but besidez all of that I am definatley gonna unlock them first i mean try to and i wonder why they decided to be a tag team whoz their enemy?? whoz their ally?? who are they after and why??
ahhhhhh so many questionz this game is gonna be AWESOME
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09/05/2004 02:22 PM (UTC)
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IcedOutLinKueiWarrior Wrote:
tgrant Wrote:
So they weren't that great if you think these ideas would help them!
Thanks, bro!
And Smoke OWNS Noob!
They are already great, this would make them greater I said!
Noob owns Smoke AND you, so shush!

Great, but not great enough! wink
Smoke owns YOU and Noob! Now please stfu!
kodypowell Wrote: You have some good ideas for them Tgrant but besidez all of that I am definatley gonna unlock them first i mean try to and i wonder why they decided to be a tag team whoz their enemy?? whoz their ally?? who are they after and why?? ahhhhhh so many questionz this game is gonna be AWESOME

Their whole concept is very interesting and I'd like answers to those questuons of yours too!
Glad you liked the ideas! Thanks, man! smile
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09/05/2004 02:55 PM (UTC)
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that are same cool ideas, i want to jump into the fatality idea with an idea i had.
noob melts into a shadow in the ground and moves underneth the enemy, where he engulf them in a shadow like sack, where you can't see the enemy inside but you see he is trying to get out .
the sack levitates a few feet in the air, and then smoke appears. smoke then begins to beat the shit out of the sack holding the enemy with brutal kicks and punchs, you hear the screams and thuds. after a good amount of punchs and kicks.
the shadow sack tilts and spills out tons of blood and broken body parts. nood and smoke strike a pose.
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09/05/2004 05:30 PM (UTC)
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tgrant Wrote:
GraveDigger Wrote:
Something everyone is over-looking is the fact of two characters fighting as one.
I don't know how they're going to divide two hand-2-hand styles and one weapon, So lets assume that each of them have two hand-2-hand and one weapon that we just don't know about. That's essentially one character with six styles!
And to make matters worst. I heard some time ago (not sure if it was confirmed) that each character will have five special moves... That means basically one character with ten special moves!!
Put together with the tag-teaming when they switch, Which will be very hard to block or counter. We possibly have a sub-boss that could finally put Kintaro to shame!
From what I've read I believe they don't use a weapon. Their third style is where they both fight together. Their first two styles see them fighting on their own.
Hopefully these two will be worthy sub bosses. All others have had Kintaros shadow to live in and haven't been anywhere near as challenging as he was. Noob-Smokehas the potential to surpass Kintaro. We will hopefully see them do that.

That's what I gathered too Ty. I don't believe they'll have a weapon style.
GravDigger: Perhaps they Won't have as many moves individually as the others..maybe they'll only have 3 (and then ones specifically for tag team) each or something to that effect. What do you think?
Bruno: LMAO @ Ermashi!!
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09/05/2004 05:37 PM (UTC)
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These idea's are pretty amazing. Not to mention you've basically read my mind on their teamwork moves, with Smoke causing a diversion, and Noob getting in his shots. Great job.
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09/05/2004 06:24 PM (UTC)
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Nice work Queve, but we already knew u didnt see the video, because everybody who hates or dislikes the idea hasnt seen the video, while all the people that HAVE seen the video ALL changed their minds and like the idea.
ONCE again, LOL, i still think they should fuse the 3 females, Jataaka, Kia, and Sareena.
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09/05/2004 06:36 PM (UTC)
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TitO_BLaDe Wrote:
Nice work Queve, but we already knew u didnt see the video, because everybody who hates or dislikes the idea hasnt seen the video, while all the people that HAVE seen the video ALL changed their minds and like the idea.
ONCE again, LOL, i still think they should fuse the 3 females, Jataaka, Kia, and Sareena.

Queve? I'm not queve and he hasn't posted in this thread! lol
A fusion of Sareena, Kia and Jataaka would be sweet, but I wouldn't want that.
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09/05/2004 07:13 PM (UTC)
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TGrant: Firstly- I am a Smoke fan and even though i don't exactly dislike Noob, I just don't think he's anything special (he was only cool in umk3). But i actually like this pairing because maybe with a little help from Smoke... Noob can't help but to be cool again.
Secondly- This whole tag-team thing confuses me to as how it will work. If their third style is them fighting together, That would be awesome. But that just brings up more questions... How can we control two characters at once??
TomTaz: It would be great for them to have even 3 specials each. That's still 6 specials between the two of them, And yeah, If they do fight as a team for their third style, They'll basically need team-oriented specials so that would be awesome. But that is once again adds to the question as to how this team will work.
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09/05/2004 07:41 PM (UTC)
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From what I've gathered Noob & Smoke trade a weapon stance in exchange for a bloated list of specials and the ability to work as a team. This would make since, but it'd be a shame to have Noob without his scythesad
While its safe to assume Noob Smoke is the game's sub-boss at this point, don't be surpised if Liu Kang or Kitana are the final build's actual sub-boss and Noob Smoke is just an endurance match. Boon seemed to have his mind made up who the sub-boss was going to be at E3, a month or two before Noob and Smoke were paired into one character. Just saying this for the "I told you so" factor should the slim possiblity it turns out to be true.
As for the running "Noob and Smoke in love" gag, let's hope not. They're not even the same species. Hell, they're not even the same state of matter!wow Talk about freaky!
EDIT: While I'm at it, am I the only one who thinks it's a bit goofy that they gave Noob "Monkey Style" as his only stance?
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09/05/2004 07:47 PM (UTC)
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GraveDigger Wrote:
TGrant: Firstly- I am a Smoke fan and even though i don't exactly dislike Noob, I just don't think he's anything special (he was only cool in umk3). But i actually like this pairing because maybe with a little help from Smoke... Noob can't help but to be cool again.
Secondly- This whole tag-team thing confuses me to as how it will work. If their third style is them fighting together, That would be awesome. But that just brings up more questions... How can we control two characters at once??
TomTaz: It would be great for them to have even 3 specials each. That's still 6 specials between the two of them, And yeah, If they do fight as a team for their third style, They'll basically need team-oriented specials so that would be awesome. But that is once again adds to the question as to how this team will work.

As one Smoke fan to another, I see what you're saying. I never thought of it in that way. Maybe Noob can be cool now thanks to Smoke!
I'm not sure how you operate both of them at the same time when they fight together. Only videos of them in action have been released but I don't believe they said anything of the answer to your question.
abomb1987 Wrote: that are same cool ideas, i want to jump into the fatality idea with an idea i had. noob melts into a shadow in the ground and moves underneth the enemy, where he engulf them in a shadow like sack, where you can't see the enemy inside but you see he is trying to get out . the sack levitates a few feet in the air, and then smoke appears. smoke then begins to beat the shit out of the sack holding the enemy with brutal kicks and punchs, you hear the screams and thuds. after a good amount of punchs and kicks. the shadow sack tilts and spills out tons of blood and broken body parts. nood and smoke strike a pose.

I love the Fatality idea! Nice work! And thanks!
TheCurse Wrote: These idea's are pretty amazing. Not to mention you've basically read my mind on their teamwork moves, with Smoke causing a diversion, and Noob getting in his shots. Great job.

Thanks, man! Smoke is the perfect diversion maker. Both of these two with their combined powers are highly dangerous. Smoke is more defensive whilst Noob is offensive.
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09/05/2004 07:50 PM (UTC)
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Hmm. Kano_Fan said that they switch between one another, No third. Unless i'm just jumping the gun... I haven't exactly read all of his thread (my computer is too slow to do that, lol)
I don't always like all of the fighting styles for each character and i mainly avoid the one i don't like and focus on the other two. It will suck big-time if Smoke only has Mi Tsu & Noob Saibot only has Monkey. But i'm hoping there is more to it than what we have seen.
TGrant, Are you saying that you have seen videos of them fighting at the same time on screen?
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