Raiden Vs Shang Tsung + Quan Chi
Raiden Vs Shang Tsung + Quan Chi
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posted05/25/2005 06:53 PM (UTC)byMember Since
05/11/2005 10:24 AM (UTC)
I dunno if this has been posted already, but shouldn't a thunder god be able kill 2 normal sorcerers?
No, he shouldn't.
Many think that being a god auomaticly grants omnipotence, but that is not the case. many mythos and pantheons regard their deities as fairly powerfull beings, and there are even gods that are fairly weak compared to mere motals. Hence the idea of apotheosis of mortls destroying deities.
In our case Raiden is an incredibly talented awnd strong mortal, with almost enless controll over lightning, while sorcerors utilise magic that can be of the same level as a gods power over a special region or phenomenon.
In short: Raiden as a god is not allmighty and can be slain easily by equally strong and powerfull foes. Quan and Shang are one of theese individuals.
Many think that being a god auomaticly grants omnipotence, but that is not the case. many mythos and pantheons regard their deities as fairly powerfull beings, and there are even gods that are fairly weak compared to mere motals. Hence the idea of apotheosis of mortls destroying deities.
In our case Raiden is an incredibly talented awnd strong mortal, with almost enless controll over lightning, while sorcerors utilise magic that can be of the same level as a gods power over a special region or phenomenon.
In short: Raiden as a god is not allmighty and can be slain easily by equally strong and powerfull foes. Quan and Shang are one of theese individuals.


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not to mention that raiden's powers decrease when he's not in earthrealm... and he took them on in outworld...
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Shang and Quan pwn Raiden.
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good question..


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Chrome Wrote:
Raidens power do not decrease if he is in an other realm, that is only a rumor based on the MK movie and the series. In the game, Raiden keeps his powers anytime and anywhere.
Raidens power do not decrease if he is in an other realm, that is only a rumor based on the MK movie and the series. In the game, Raiden keeps his powers anytime and anywhere.
im pretty sure it's cannon that his powers decrease in outworld


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Chrome Wrote:
Raidens power do not decrease if he is in an other realm, that is only a rumor based on the MK movie and the series. In the game, Raiden keeps his powers anytime and anywhere.
Raidens power do not decrease if he is in an other realm, that is only a rumor based on the MK movie and the series. In the game, Raiden keeps his powers anytime and anywhere.
im pretty sure it's cannon that his powers decrease in outworld... i know i read that somewhere... that or i could be getting the fact that he has had to give up his immortality every time he's entered outworld confused with that
Double checked it, his power do not decrease. Solid fact for that is when you read the MK bios/endings/intros/outros through the whole series.
MK2 - nothing said about his powers decreasing.
Raiden gives up his godhood in MK3 becouse of the fact that Kahn enters earth without the use of the Mortal Kombat tournament. His powers are supposedly do not decrease.
In MK4 Raiden does remain a god to combat Shinnok.
In MKDA Raiden relinquishes his elder godhood. Nothing said about his power decreasing. In MKD he comes back, since Gods cannot be destro-yed via normal means, especially not though concious self-destruction.
Only in the movies and (especially) in the series does his powers decre-ase should he enter Outworld,
MK2 - nothing said about his powers decreasing.
Raiden gives up his godhood in MK3 becouse of the fact that Kahn enters earth without the use of the Mortal Kombat tournament. His powers are supposedly do not decrease.
In MK4 Raiden does remain a god to combat Shinnok.
In MKDA Raiden relinquishes his elder godhood. Nothing said about his power decreasing. In MKD he comes back, since Gods cannot be destro-yed via normal means, especially not though concious self-destruction.
Only in the movies and (especially) in the series does his powers decre-ase should he enter Outworld,


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thanks for clearing that up....

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raiden was an idiot he was an elder god and he would protect humain so he leave his power and his immortality for protect weak humain. if i were him screw humain exept for the lin kuei, scorp, and shaolin but for sonya with jax and all is a pieace of sh**
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if raiden could bet both with no problem becuase of the fact he is a god then that would be kinda borin and he wouldn't need kang,cage or anyone else to help him protected earthrelam he would just do it alone that and i belive if he did take one shang and quan then there would be no decepition because the deadly alliance would been beatin and the drangon king would be free to take the throne as king of outworld
Remember Shang Tsung was Raidens first and foremost adversary according to Vogels storylin- in the tournaments. I think Shang Tsung easily possesses 3/4 of the thunder gods power, but has the power to create spells and events that doesn't tie in with the deity's aspect of lightning. Same as with Quan Chi, though he's a bit more powerfull than Tsung -at least in magics.
Easy math. Raiden still possessed a dangerously perilous threat to them, but both of them simply overpowered him with their combined strenght.
Tsung you are an idiot! You could have waited and played along! Or at least blast the others trying to fend off the DK. Such treachery would have beeen the wisest choice!
Easy math. Raiden still possessed a dangerously perilous threat to them, but both of them simply overpowered him with their combined strenght.
Tsung you are an idiot! You could have waited and played along! Or at least blast the others trying to fend off the DK. Such treachery would have beeen the wisest choice!

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All that can be as it may, but the bottom line is that Raiden owned them in the beggining through the middle, and at the end is when they over powered him, but still it took 2 of the most powerful and most hated boays in the MK universe, ( i mean the actually universe not the franchise) to take such a warrior outta commission, if they're shitty alliance would have folded before hand, then Raiden would have choked them both, thus eliminating the need for them to not be in the game anyways, cause the Dragon King could have still took over regardless of the three of them being there all at once anyways. so i guess no matter how you look at it, the Dragon King would have been the main nemesis anyways.
So lets look at the main facts,
*Took two of them to beat Raiden, ( so that means they're bitches)
two points for Raiden --- Negative 1 for the other two
*** IF *** his powers do decrease in outworld, once again they had advantage( even biggar bitches )
Another Point for Raiden --- Negative 1 for the other two
*Shang Tsung needed his soul chamber, Quan Chi needed his amulet, to further boost their powers, (was still barly enough to get the job done........ B I T C H E S!)
Another Point for Raiden, negative 1 for them eyt again,
Shang Tsung was probably beaten by Raiden in MK1, so they even out there, but Quan Chi gets one point for Being newer and equally or even more powerful.
and lastly, compared to the Dragon King, They were all inferior to his power obviously, so that takes them all down yet another peg, So the final analysis is;
Raiden - 3 points for the Thunder God
Quan Chi - Negative 3
Shang Tsung - Negative 4
So im sorry people, Raiden wins, better luck next time,.....................................


So lets look at the main facts,
*Took two of them to beat Raiden, ( so that means they're bitches)
two points for Raiden --- Negative 1 for the other two
*** IF *** his powers do decrease in outworld, once again they had advantage( even biggar bitches )
Another Point for Raiden --- Negative 1 for the other two
*Shang Tsung needed his soul chamber, Quan Chi needed his amulet, to further boost their powers, (was still barly enough to get the job done........ B I T C H E S!)
Another Point for Raiden, negative 1 for them eyt again,
Shang Tsung was probably beaten by Raiden in MK1, so they even out there, but Quan Chi gets one point for Being newer and equally or even more powerful.
and lastly, compared to the Dragon King, They were all inferior to his power obviously, so that takes them all down yet another peg, So the final analysis is;
Raiden - 3 points for the Thunder God
Quan Chi - Negative 3
Shang Tsung - Negative 4
So im sorry people, Raiden wins, better luck next time,.....................................
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Raiden probably can't take on Shang Tsung by himself, you think hed be able to take on two powerful sorcerer's? Imposible....

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outworld222 Wrote:
Raiden probably can't take on Shang Tsung by himself, you think hed be able to take on two powerful sorcerer's? Imposible....
Raiden probably can't take on Shang Tsung by himself, you think hed be able to take on two powerful sorcerer's? Imposible....
He stomped the shit outta Shang Tsung mabey you should watch it again,
Oh yes im aware that the two won, BUT im saying that he made Quan CHis skull wall look pathetic, because quan chi obvioulsy tried his best to stop Raiden lightning, but NO DICE! and again im aware that thet overpowered him, dont twist my words.
They aren't a real threat to the thunder god in combat as individuals, despite Shang Tsungs ability to draw limitless power from the Soulnado, and Quan Chis mastery of magic. However once combined, they can endure even the worst from Raiden.
I found it lame that Shang Tsung wasn't "showing off" that much. For Christs sake, he was the reigning champion of Mortal Kombat untill he lost to Kung Lao and had Goro to take over the title. Still, Tsung has won the tournament many more times than Liu Kang and Goro..and now we get this? Exception: he probably saved himself for the Flame Cobra attack.
I found it lame that Shang Tsung wasn't "showing off" that much. For Christs sake, he was the reigning champion of Mortal Kombat untill he lost to Kung Lao and had Goro to take over the title. Still, Tsung has won the tournament many more times than Liu Kang and Goro..and now we get this? Exception: he probably saved himself for the Flame Cobra attack.

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Chrome Wrote:
They aren't a real threat to the thunder god in combat as individuals, despite Shang Tsungs ability to draw limitless power from the Soulnado, and Quan Chis mastery of magic. However once combined, they can endure even the worst from Raiden.
I found it lame that Shang Tsung wasn't "showing off" that much. For Christs sake, he was the reigning champion of Mortal Kombat untill he lost to Kung Lao and had Goro to take over the title. Still, Tsung has won the tournament many more times than Liu Kang and Goro..and now we get this? Exception: he probably saved himself for the Flame Cobra attack.
They aren't a real threat to the thunder god in combat as individuals, despite Shang Tsungs ability to draw limitless power from the Soulnado, and Quan Chis mastery of magic. However once combined, they can endure even the worst from Raiden.
I found it lame that Shang Tsung wasn't "showing off" that much. For Christs sake, he was the reigning champion of Mortal Kombat untill he lost to Kung Lao and had Goro to take over the title. Still, Tsung has won the tournament many more times than Liu Kang and Goro..and now we get this? Exception: he probably saved himself for the Flame Cobra attack.
But they didnt, if you watch it, youll see raiden kick them strike them both numerous time, and hit them with lightning numerous times, and obviously lightning is a form of magic(mabey to some people anyways) and since he owned Quan Chi at likw you said...what he does best, and since he beat Quan Chi single handedly, (something either of them couldnt do ) and them after it was all said and done, Quan Chi slaughtered Shang Tsung, so therefore, Raiden can beat them both at whatever, whereever, whenever,
I didn't implied that they won't get their asses kicked in the process. You misunderstood me badly. Quan Chi and Shang Tsung indeed defeated the thunder god badly, given the right situation. Once they had it, all they had to do is to render the thunder god immobile and Shang Tsung fini-shed him off with a greater spell.
I found it hard to believe that Quan Chi defeated Shang so fast, since Vogel himself confirmed that despite Quan is the greatest sorcerer, Shang tsung is supreme to him in close combat. (not to mention Shang being the feinition of evil in Mortal Kombat)
..better luck next time.
I found it hard to believe that Quan Chi defeated Shang so fast, since Vogel himself confirmed that despite Quan is the greatest sorcerer, Shang tsung is supreme to him in close combat. (not to mention Shang being the feinition of evil in Mortal Kombat)
..better luck next time.

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^^lmao...i thought i was the only one who thought quan beating tsung so quickly was bull....it's obvious that quan is the greater sorcerer....the power tsung has was granted to him over time by the emporer(i.e. the power to steal souls)...chi's power was fine tuned over time...through learning and mastering his skills....but without magic i think tsung could've taken chi
but back to the debate.....raiden put up a good fight no question...but as it said in the opening fmv the COMBINED MIGHT of the sorcerers was too much EVEN for a THUNDER GOD
but back to the debate.....raiden put up a good fight no question...but as it said in the opening fmv the COMBINED MIGHT of the sorcerers was too much EVEN for a THUNDER GOD

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even with all that, Tsung foughht CVHI in the Chamber,m he slos but i dont unfedrtadns s why?
im sorry im already runk but please elight enen me,
A possible explanation might be:
Since Quan Chi constructed the Soulnado, he could ensure that Shang Tsung could only draw souls if his actions aren't in direct opposition with Quan Chi. I think he added a blockade to stop Shang TSungs eternal source of power when he is going against him.
Since Quan Chi constructed the Soulnado, he could ensure that Shang Tsung could only draw souls if his actions aren't in direct opposition with Quan Chi. I think he added a blockade to stop Shang TSungs eternal source of power when he is going against him.

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And thats based on.................your own personal explanation? Or something midway has actually said, Quan Chi made the Soulnado thingy.?
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