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Reptile and the Dragon King's "very deceptive" nature...
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posted06/14/2004 01:17 AM (UTC)by
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Okay, someone in Midway (I think it was Boon) said that the Dragon King has been, quote, 'very deceptive' since his return. They also confirmed that Reptile's ending in Deadly Alliance is true, and that he is now the DK. So, putting two and two together, and.... Reptile's been decieving everyone from day 1.

Think about it. He's apparantly destined to become the Dragon King. It's highly unlikely that he wouldn't have known the legends of the reptilian lord. He knows he needs to find a way to get to the Last Great Dragon Egg and revive the Dragon King's army. What better way to do that than to manipulate the events of MK1-MK: DA?

First, he can use his status as scout and bodyguard to Shang Tsung to both locate the Dragon Egg and the DK's army, and to determine the full extent of Shang's necromancy (which I'm assuming his soul-stealing sorcery is based on) to see if he'd be a logical choice to help ressurect the army. He could also use his status to learn about Quan Chi and his betrayal of the Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu, as well as his betrayal of Shinnok and his possession of the amulet. He helps his 'master' Shao Khan set up the tournaments and his bride's ressurrection on Earth, then set him up for a fall during these events to get him out of the way and Shang Tsung right where he wants him.

When Shinnok comes around, Reptile could then use the knowledge he gathered on Quan Chi and Scorpion to 'suggest' an alliance between the two, setting up Scorpion's eventual discovery of Quan's deception and their inevitable return to the Netherealm. Reptile could also use Shinnok's ties to the Netherealm to convince Moloch and Drahmin to lead Quan Chi over to the heiroglyphs describing the true nature of the amulet and the runestone within when he gets there. This leads to Quan Chi stumbling into the Dragon King's army during his escape from Scorpion and his eventual team-up with Shang Tsung.

As for Reptile's 'madness', it would just be a ruse to throw people off his trail as he makes his way to the Dragon Egg. His 'allegiance' to Nitara would help perpetuate the facade, as well as give him the kirehashi of his species to aid him in his quest of deception.

And, all throughout these events, he'd be manipulating Raiden and his warriors to eliminate all that would stand in his way upon his transformation into the DK.

Not bad for an intelligent, overgrown gecko...
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•06/13/2004 06:11 PM (UTC) •
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Nice theory. However, I still do not believe that Reptile is the Dragon King. I wrote the following as his MKD bio. Hopefully, the part about his life force is true! He should stay as Reptile!

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As the Dragon King was reborn, Reptile had passed out due to the sheer pain he had felt. Only part of his reptilian life force was needed to restore the Dragon King. His body was left severely wounded and weakened. Upon awakening, Reptile laid eyes on the great king. Still seeking a master, Reptile pledged allegiance. For his loyalty, the Dragon King healed Reptiles wounds and restored his human shape. His first order to Reptile was to tell him all that had happened. Reptile told the king of Kahn and his defeat, Nitara, the Earth warriors and Raiden, Liu Kangs death and the Deadly Alliance. The Dragon King now knew of his enemies. Reptile was to recruit Kahn’s former servants, locate the Dragon Kings army and lead the DA into a trap. This would be Reptiles revenge for them killing his former master. All would pay in the end!

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 •06/13/2004 06:23 PM (UTC) •
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Whether he has seen the heiroglyphs can be debated but the fact is that he has been to the Netherealm (MK4) his bio said something about him committing genocide and the elder gods banishded him there. I think the original posters theory makes a lot of sense, though I admit I think its very unlikely that Reptile could manipulate so many events just the way he planned, but if the theory is correct, I will give Reptile full props for a very elaborate plan.
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 •06/13/2004 06:26 PM (UTC) •
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Nice theory, it makes perfect sense to me.
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 •06/13/2004 06:35 PM (UTC) •
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tgrant Wrote:
Nice theory. Unfortunately, Reptile knew nothing of the heiroglyphs. He's never been to the Netherealm. In that sense he knows nothing of the Oni or Moloch and Drahmin. He knew nothing of the Dragon King or the egg. And I still do not believe that Reptile is the Dragon King.


First, how do you know Reptile doesn't know anything about the Dragon King or the egg? He was under employ by Shao Khan for quite some time, and the legens of the Dragon King seem to be very popular in Outworld. Both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung knew about the Dragon King and his undefeatable army. Hell, RAIDEN knew about the Dragon King and the army, so such knowledge would seem to be very public. Besides, you forget that, other than being Shang Tsung's bodyguard, Reptile was also a scout for Shao Khan, and a scout could easilly gather up info and rumors from wherever they go. It would be simple enough for Reptile to learn about the Dragon Egg's location, as well as the heiroglyphs.

Also, true, Reptile's never been to the Netherealm before Shinnok's return, but how do we know he didn't pay a visit during MK4? Shinnok, with his army of Oni and Brothers of the Shadow, would no doubt keep a portal to the Netherealm open for easy access to these warriors, and Reptile could easilly slip in undetected and scout around unharmed, due to his 'alliance' with Shinnok.

Finally, hate to break this to you, but it's already confirmed that Reptile's the Dragon King from the Man himself, Ed Boon. That means that the Reptile we've all grown to love won't be coming back. He's now the big, bad, uber boss of MK: Deception. Get over it.
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 •06/13/2004 06:42 PM (UTC) •
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subzero961 Wrote:
I think the original posters theory makes a lot of sense, though I admit I think its very unlikely that Reptile could manipulate so many events just the way he planned, but if the theory is correct, I will give Reptile full props for a very elaborate plan.


Well, since Reptile's deception dealt primarily with info gathering, minor trickery and manipulation, and a hell of a fake out (convincing practically everyone that he's loyal to this person or that, then slowly going insane from lack of a master), I'd say that it wouldn't be too difficult for him to do. Both of his former masters were already at war with Raiden and his warriors, so it would be a simple task to set things up to go his way while having both sides do the bulk of the work for him.
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•06/13/2004 07:01 PM (UTC) •
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SynjoDeonecros Wrote:

First, how do you know Reptile doesn't know anything about the Dragon King or the egg? He was under employ by Shao Khan for quite some time, and the legens of the Dragon King seem to be very popular in Outworld. Both Quan Chi and Shang Tsung knew about the Dragon King and his undefeatable army. Hell, RAIDEN knew about the Dragon King and the army, so such knowledge would seem to be very public. Besides, you forget that, other than being Shang Tsung's bodyguard, Reptile was also a scout for Shao Khan, and a scout could easilly gather up info and rumors from wherever they go. It would be simple enough for Reptile to learn about the Dragon Egg's location, as well as the heiroglyphs.

Also, true, Reptile's never been to the Netherealm before Shinnok's return, but how do we know he didn't pay a visit during MK4? Shinnok, with his army of Oni and Brothers of the Shadow, would no doubt keep a portal to the Netherealm open for easy access to these warriors, and Reptile could easilly slip in undetected and scout around unharmed, due to his 'alliance' with Shinnok.

Finally, hate to break this to you, but it's already confirmed that Reptile's the Dragon King from the Man himself, Ed Boon. That means that the Reptile we've all grown to love won't be coming back. He's now the big, bad, uber boss of MK: Deception. Get over it.


Firstly, I have edited my post because I was wrong in what I said regarding Reptile going to the Netherealm. He ahs been. You won't find many who'll admit they were wrong.

Secondly, Reptile may have been a scout and assassin, but Raiden is a deity. It is his job to know of such things. the same can be said for quan Chi. sorcerors are also supposed to know of such things. I merely assumed Reptile wouldn't because of his status. Also, given Raiden and Quans age, they are most likely bound to know of the Dragon Kings legend.

Thirdly, if Shinnok had such a portal giving access to the Oni, why didn't he free them to help him in the time of MK4? And wouldn't Reptile have gone insane or someone from being in the Netherealm? He was saved from it's torture!

And lastly, Boon has not said anything about Reptile being the Dragon King. If you have proof, present here for me to see!
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 •06/13/2004 07:18 PM (UTC) •
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I dont' think that Reptile's madness was faked at all. It was a result of him devolving back into a more reptillian state, becoming more lizard than man.

also...Could you tell me exactly where it was stated that Boon said Reptile's ending is true? Not trying to be a smart ass here, I'm just curious to read it too.
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 •06/13/2004 07:27 PM (UTC) •
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Like I said, I'm not sure who in Midway confirmed it, but I believe it was stated in the interview in Game Informer.
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 •06/13/2004 07:39 PM (UTC) •
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Boon never actually said Reptile was the DK but he did say that Reptiles ending did happen so it could be that he is the DK or i could be what TGrant said only part of Reptiles reptilian essence was needed for the DK to return
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 •06/13/2004 07:47 PM (UTC) •
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TomTaz Wrote:
I dont' think that Reptile's madness was faked at all. It was a result of him devolving back into a more reptillian state, becoming more lizard than man.


Why does everyone think Reptile's 'devolving'? He's a Raptor. He's always been a lizard-creature. He's just taken the form of a ninja for some reason. His species can do that (as stated in Khameleon's ending), so his 'devolution' would most likely be a side effect of his 'madness', losing more and more of his human facade as he 'loses' his mind.

Also, it's made clear that Reptile didn't go 'mad' by devolving. He went 'mad' from knowing he 'failed' to prevent the apparent murder of his 'master' Shao Khan. This simple fact is constantly hit home throughout his Konquest storyline.

So, knowing these facts, how do you know Reptile's 'devolution' and 'madness', or, indeed, his loyalty to Shao Khan, weren't all just an act?
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 •06/13/2004 07:56 PM (UTC) •
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Well when put that way, I guess It is possible.
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 •06/14/2004 01:17 AM (UTC) •
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If reptiles ending is true than the only explanation for the egg hatching at that moment was for the Dragon King to take Reptiles body. Reptile would not have been necessary for the ritual to revive the DK, all that was needed was the dragon in the egg since the DK is supposed to kill the fledgling dragon after it is born and drink its blood (for those of you who thought the DK was in the egg you are wrong his actual body is in the tomb you see Quan Chi appear in when he escapes from the Netherrealm). So if Reptile's ending is true than he is most likely the DK but only if it actually happened.
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