Scorpion should have represented the elder gods a little more?
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posted12/19/2004 02:00 AM (UTC)by
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Fireblade
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After he was sucked into the soulnado, saw the elder gods became their champion. Why does he still look and act (moves and powers the same) I was thinking that the Elder gods would have granted him new powers perhaps even removed or transformed his demon self into a spirit or angel making him more of heavenly warrior (eg: a newer look). I feel Scorpion got short changed on the deal.
At least he could have replaced his fire powers with something more heavenly or his spear could have been upgraded to a a double spear for example:
I made similar comments about this in MK7 post in general discussion section , as a writer my self it bothers me somewhat, check out my previous post
MK7 reinvention part 2 post
What do others think, I know we all love the classic scorpion but like with any form of fiction characters need to grow.......
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12/16/2004 12:42 AM (UTC)
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Fireblade Wrote:
At least he could have replaced his fire powers with something more heavenly or his spear could have been upgraded to a a double spear for example:

That would be awesome. But, unless you were fighting 2 people at once, I don't see the need... but it's a good idea.
I also liked his teleport from MK1 that was removed in later games (like MK:DA).
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BlackKnight456
12/16/2004 01:49 AM (UTC)
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I think that is a good idea, replacing his fire pwers with something more divine...
But the problem is, then he wouldnt be Scorpion~~
I say they shouldn't have made the ninja spectre a champion... it was just plain stupid...
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12/16/2004 02:07 AM (UTC)
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I think it would be kick ass...
Scorpion could be a kind of "Heaven meets hell" character. His powers could dark and evil with a spiritual touch...
His fatality could be...
He raises one arm and chants some holy words in a foreign language. Then the ground next to the opponent would start to cave in, and a heavenly light will shine from the sky. Then a netherrealm demon would jump out of the hole in the ground and an angel could fly down from the sky. Both spiritual creatures would grab one of the opponent's arms and spin around the opponent. While still holding an arm each, the creatures would move apart from each other and split the opponent in two. Then the angel would fly back up and the demon would climb back into the hole in the ground...
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12/16/2004 02:11 AM (UTC)
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Fireblade Wrote:
After he was sucked into the soulnado, saw the elder gods became their champion. Why does he still look and act (moves and powers the same) I was thinking that the Elder gods would have granted him new powers perhaps even removed or transformed his demon self into a spirit or angel making him more of heavenly warrior (eg: a newer look). I feel Scorpion got short changed on the deal.
At least he could have replaced his fire powers with something more heavenly or his spear could have been upgraded to a a double spear for example:
I made similar comments about this in MK7 post in general discussion section , as a writer my self it bothers me somewhat, check out my previous post
MK7 reinvention part 2 post
What do others think, I know we all love the classic scorpion but like with any form of fiction characters need to grow.......

Good points.
I think this idea would have been welcomed, seeing as how many people think Scorpion has gone stale. When Subby started to go stale they revamped him, not only in mk3, but again for MKD - they should think of doing the same for Scorp. And your idea would solve the problem.
I suppose they did do it in a way, but only for Konquest w/ 'Monster' sad
They should have used that look as his primary outfit, then kept the classic ninja outfit as his alternate - explaining it's appearance by saying something like "While Scorpion had an obligation to the Elder Gods to defeat the Dragon King, he still wanted vengence against the being who killed his family. When he found Quan Chi he wanted him to recognize the being who was bringing him so much agony..."
Also, I like the 'special champion powers', especialy the double spear. The way I'd like to see it done is like in MKA, where the spear splits in two (and is alive, that was a cool addition by the movies and would suit 'champion Scorp' imowink)
So yeah I agree, they should have altered him drasticaly to make him fit his storyline. Good thread...
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12/16/2004 03:49 AM (UTC)
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So, you think Scorpion should be the "Dark Angel" type? An angel of death for the Elder Gods? Sounds like an interesting concept. Keep everything that primarily makes him Scorpion (ie. spear, hellfire, and flaming skull), but perhaps play them up a tad to make them seem more '"hellishly devine". A move or fatality with flaming angel wings? I like the "double spear" idea.
So, just play Scorp up a bit like Subbie and Ermac were? Sounds good to me, as long as you keep what we love about him in tact. GET OVER HERE! Oh yeah...needs to stay.
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cartmansp
12/16/2004 04:01 AM (UTC)
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As for the double spear...

It's some pretty cool fanart by draws4fun...
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Fireblade
12/16/2004 05:42 AM (UTC)
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cartmansp, cool fatality concept.......
How about your idea but ,
Instead of Scorpion just killing them, he cleanises there souls, destroys the mortal form and send them to heaven......
And fatality 2:
Its the opposite, Scorpion dam them and sends them to hell.
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12/16/2004 05:46 AM (UTC)
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Fireblade Wrote:
cartmansp, cool fatality concept.......
How about your idea but ,
Instead of Scorpion just killing them, he cleanises there souls, destroys the mortal form and send them to heaven......
And fatality 2:
Its the opposite, Scorpion dam them and sends them to hell.

Sending the opponent to heaven/hell would fit Scorpion's new concept more. I like the idea...
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12/16/2004 06:42 AM (UTC)
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Sindra Wrote:
So, you think Scorpion should be the "Dark Angel" type? An angel of death for the Elder Gods? Sounds like an interesting concept. Keep everything that primarily makes him Scorpion (ie. spear, hellfire, and flaming skull), but perhaps play them up a tad to make them seem more '"hellishly devine". A move or fatality with flaming angel wings? I like the "double spear" idea.
So, just play Scorp up a bit like Subbie and Ermac were? Sounds good to me, as long as you keep what we love about him in tact. GET OVER HERE! Oh yeah...needs to stay.

I think that the Angel of Death is really good. Im just wondering how to make him a Holy Avenger of Death? not just in his fatilities, but his moves, his actions, and his specials (White fire for some of his moves like fire backflip, but keep his hellfire attack orange becaues it looks like hes conjuring fire from hell). Im also wondering if any of you have an idea how Scorpion can keep his yellow costume, because white, with his alt. orange would fit better with the story. furious
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12/16/2004 06:05 PM (UTC)
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Has everyone seen the original concept for Scorpion for Deception? I'm pretty sure its in the Production Art section in MKD, and it says it was the first piece of art made for Deception. It's Scorpion with this basically exaggeratted costume, with huge shoulder armour and body armour and spear etc. Almost looks like Samus from Metroid Prime. He looks totally badass, and I think with a few alterations, that basic idea would be sweet for an Elder God's Champion.
Maybe his spear could be aimable... for crouchers and jumpers. Or you could use the spear in the air, like jump and throw down at the guy. Or even use the spear to launch your opponent: spear him and then fling/whip him as far as you could.
Sweet... : P
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12/16/2004 07:13 PM (UTC)
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Um, maybe they recreated him to be their agent, not an angel. You know, to have a fighter in their ranks with unexpected capabilities (who would expect a spectre from heavens?).
Keep the current Scorpion, and change his looks but don't go making him an avenging angel. That would take away the mainly ninja concept of his character.-at least for me.
BTW where can I see the concept picture of Scorpion? Please help me out on this one.
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AYAM_RAIN
12/17/2004 10:34 AM (UTC)
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Scorpion should say as he is... it gives his character the tragedy of an 'elder gods' champion who may be pure in soul but stuck in a cursed body with his current powers of fire.
a chosen warrior who is blessed by being chosen but cursed by being condemned to Netherrealm for so long.
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12/17/2004 02:54 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
BTW where can I see the concept picture of Scorpion? Please help me out on this one.

Chrome, in the Krypt, its either Koffin HM or it actually might be in Deadly Alliance Krypt AQ.
I'll check when I get home today and repost.
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jade2004
12/17/2004 10:55 PM (UTC)
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Scorpion has been the same since MK1 and is still popular to this day....
Why mess with a good thing?
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12/18/2004 12:06 PM (UTC)
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Scorpion a pure soul? haha, thats a good one.
An assassint raind to mercylessly kill, is a pure soul? None of the MK
warriors have a pure soul, not even Liu Kang. You see he's bent on a Kill
Bill like vendetta campaign.
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12/18/2004 12:13 PM (UTC)
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well i dont think Scorpion is the Elder Gods Champion. just their servant. i think his ending is false completly. all i know is if they offered Scorpion to be their champ he wouldnt take it. they turned him into their servant. not champion. or perhaps its the same thing in this case. but i dont see him as the Elder Gods champ.
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Fireblade
12/19/2004 12:02 AM (UTC)
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two things,
first who ever said Scorpion should stay the same as he was in mk1....cause he was good. Well he has been similar for 7 games now...beside a few power tweaks and the cross over to 3d. But its the old theory of evoultion, things that dont adapt dont survive. Scorpion needs to change to keep game fresh the simple rule is if you want the OLD scorpion play the old games. otherwise the game will never continue to expand other than basic cosmetics.....
and secondly......
It has been stated that after he saw the elder gods he was forever changed, it was a relgious experience for him......so to speak
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12/19/2004 02:00 AM (UTC)
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They maybe offered him his family back. Nothibng else could motivate
Scorpion that way. He's too cynic and burned-out.
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