SF4 is garbage looks like the same stages,fighting styles,and about 3-4 new dudes.This game will die out in a week.

Yeah. God knows no one is ever stupid enough to buy multiple iterations of the same Street Fighter...

That post is dead-on. Street Fighter has 5x the fan base of Mortal Kombat, it always has and it always will. It's always killed MK in sales, especially within the Nintendo crowd.
Personally I don't intend to buy either game, but I would be shocked if SFIV doesn't double MK vs. DC's sales at absolute least.

I rather be reamed in the butt by a horse than see that shit, excuse me mods.

I've played SFIV and it's not that bad at all. I plan to buy both SFIV and MKvs.DC Universe. They were both famous by their amazing gameplays.

Are you kidding? MK always beat put SF in sales. Check the sales record please before you come on and propel your falsehoods.

Nice try, I checked the sales records BEFORE I made that post. I'm not some kind of SF fanboy, I don't even like Street Fighter, but the facts are the facts.

Street Fighter II, Street Fighter II: Turbo and Super Street Fighter II combined to sell over 12 million copies on the Super Nintendo. That right there is just about enough to out-do every MK game ever made combined. Mortal Kombat 2 and Mortal Kombat 3 combined to sell 2.7 million copies on the SNES, and the original didn't even break 1 million.

MK 2+3 out-sold SF2 on the Genesis by about 1.25 million copies, which I would guess came down to 2 factors: 1) the Genesis port of SF2 came out almost a year and a half after the SNES one did, and 2) the Genesis MK games had blood.

Also, on the Playstation SF Alpha 3 sold more than either the black sheep of the family, MK4, or MK Trilogy. Again, neither of those broke 1 million. MK: Deadly Alliance was the best selling of the three PS2 MK games at 1.7 million copies. No MK game broke 1 million for the X-Box. I have no idea what the sales numbers are for the Gamecube versions. It doesn't even really matter though because Deception and Armageddon never went head-to-head with Street Fighter.

Street Fighter II was Capcom's hayday when it came to fighting games. They're returning to their roots, and I simply don't see any way that a Mortal Kombat crossover game that very possibly may turn off more old fans than it will attract new ones is going to beat it.

There's some kind of commentary to be made out of MK fans' total ignorance to the big wide world and SF's longevity in it -- and the fact that the ENTIRE Earthrealm is defended by a couple of Chinese guys and a whole heap of Americans.

I'd love it if someone would actually drop a link to some hard sales data.
It just seems unfathomable that MK, which has a much narrower appeal, could rival the very broad demographic of the Japanese powerhouse.

Eh the usual crowd of SF supporters supporting SF.

The fact is Ed Boon said MK always sold out SF. It was even in an interview. He said the reason was because he always introduced new characters instead of the same old characters.

Ed said it. Clearly a far more concise and well considered argument than the any consideration for Street Fighter's international presence and longevity.

Read a comic book,any comic book. 90% of all universe-threatening events for some arbitrary reason happen IN AMERICA. Hell,a good majority of the 300+ mutant population in the world are as American as apple pie. What the fuck is up with that?

Then go read a manga,any manga. 90% of all universe-threatening overlords decide to make Tokyo their first conquest,which leaves only some regular Japanese (of course) highschoolers to defend it. Again,ever wonder what the fuck is up with that?

So your point is kind of moot there.

Besides,you really don't want me start on Street Fighter characters and how ridiculous most of them are.

Not really. You're just misinterpreting it, leaving out the actual point that comments on the fanbases, which are generally more diverse in other examples, and familiar with the larger world around them.

Comics, manga, and Street Fighter fans are all generally aware of the things around them, moreso than MK fans, who are often convinced their favourite franchise is technologically and financially superior.
Absurd, in this case, given the global phenomenon of Street Fighter and it's many (shameful) iterations. Iterations that have endured over time far more than any MK equivalent, particularly when taking into account Capcom's original slew of licensed crossovers.

Comics, manga, and Street Fighter, to varying degrees of competence and sensitivty, reflect this larger world within their properties more than MK. A parallel, yes, brought about by the interests of the fanbase, but then, my point was an inference that implied all of this, rather than elaborating on the obvious that apparently eludes quite a few.


For what it's worth, the request for hard sales figures was actually a genuine one, even if I'm under the impression those kinds of stats are a lot harder to obtain for games than comics or movies.

I can't imagine MK coming at all close to SF, but presumably there's a narrow perspective (ie; periods of American sales) that would give MK a shot.

Mick: Why are you bashing MK on an MK site? Shouldn't you be on a SF site?

Being aware of somethings faults, and disliking it, are not the same thing.
As a comment on the culture of certian breeds of narrow sighted fans, you might say I should be elsewhere. Yes. There's probably some sort of commentary to be made out of this scenario, where apparently alluding to Street Fighter's obvious sales diversity is the exclusive domain of an SF message board...

I don't think critical opinion - let alone basic fact - should be misperceived as bashing. I tend to think of that as much less founded.

Ask and you shall receive, good sir.

- From Capcom's investor relations website: a list of platinum titles. Note that Street Fighter II sold 6.3 million copies, SFII Turbo sold 4.1 million and Super SFII solid 2 million for the SNES (denoted as Super Famicon on the list). Also, Super SFII Plus sold an additional 1.5 million for the Genesis (denoted as Master Drive on the list)

http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/data/million.html

- Now, a list of platinum games produced by US companies (Keep in mind that Acclaim was the producer for the home ports of the early MK games, as Midway did not enter the console market until late 1996). Note that MK2 and MK3, the two games that directly competed with SFII and it's later incarnations, combined to sell approximately 5.5 million copies on the SNES and Genesis.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml

***NOTE: I admit to making an error in an above post. I stated that MK Trilogy did not break 1 million in sales, which is incorrect. It actually sold 2 million copies. However, that still pales in comparison to SF. I also find it very surprising that Deadly Alliance (1.7M) killed both Deception and Armageddon, neither of which went platinum, in sales for the PS2.

And to the other clown, nobody is "bashing" Mortal Kombat. If I wasn't an MK fan I wouldn't be on this board. I mentioned before that I don't even like Street Fighter, I personally think it's too cartoony. But the sales facts are the FACTS, there is no way around it. Multiple versions of the same core SFII game more than DOUBLED the sales of TWO completely separate MK games across two platforms. SF has always beaten MK, ESPECIALLY (as I have already stated once before) with the Nintendo crowd.

Can I be the first to mention how awful most of the SFIII characters were?...

I know,I know. I do see your point,even if you explain it in quite a strange way,it's just that this particular jab at MK caught my attention as being silly.

I liked the SF3 characters

Well, besides Hugo, I mean wtf was that about!?

Someone has to say it: you are acting like an idiot.

What he was trying to get inside that skull of yours was not even close to bashing. Nothing on this site is actually close to a real bash. And if the above prediction comes into fruitition, I will be there somewhere watching in utter ambivalence, indifferently as MK continues to struggle.

I buried both franchises long ago thankfully. And why the hell does it matter to you which sells beter in the first place? Mk is not your calling. If it is, then get a life or regress from it.

I don't get it. WHy would I regress from something I like? Care to explain?

If MK is your calling, then I call that obsession.


And never forget: the world can live without MK. It can be fun, but never overevaluate something because you like it.

Good advice. We are in agreement.

Hah! I like Hugo for the same reason I don't like SFIII overall.
He might not be the greatest character in the bunch, but as a conventional fighting reference he's ten times more relevant than half the others. Flipping the balance of fighters and novelty characters from what made SFII work was so disappointing, but I'm really digressing now...


Very interesting, if not at all surprising.
I wonder how big the margin gets when all the additional iterations are added into the mix. It'd be great if there was a site or something that could track monthly sales figures (like comics). Then again, I guess that would take companies being more transparent, which really doesn't seem likely in games right now.

It just seems unfathomable to imagine MK coming close to SF's sales.
Even in the US it was always going to be pretty tough.