K, first off Human Smoke is a clone of Scorpion. Smoke was an undeveloped HIDDEN character that had cool visual effects to him that's the only thing that made him different than Scorpion. Same Spear, same air throw, same Teleport punch. The only thing is different button combinations on the same Combos and different Fatalities.

Frost, she's not a Clone but is definatley a rip off on Sub-Zero. The same Kori powers the ground freeze move, which may be different than Sub-Zero's ice puddle in MK2 but has the same idea. Also there weapons are made of the same substance both formed from Ice, that was kind of lame in a way but however for Frost very effective weapons. I prefered Frost's alternate look because it looked different than Sub-Zero's ninja outfit.

Jarek is a clone of Kano, same spin attack, same knife throw, same Heart rip fatality, The guy even had his damn eye beams. I felt that Kano was supposed to be in MK4 but Jarek took his place because of the lack of new characters.

Tanya, rip off of Kitana, but very effective rip off. Kitana was supposed to be Tanya but same reason lack of new characters. The only thing that I would have to say is the same between these two is outfit, it was originaly supposed to be Kitana's but they managed to change the skin color and the outfit color.

That's the only thing that is negative about Mortal Kombat, each character should have his unique quality about them, what some of the new characters are doing is crossing the boundary line and copying some of the originality traits on classics such as Sub-Zero, Raiden, Scorpion. That was the only things I disliked about the new 3-D games. The new chracters should have their own moves own unique look, Deception is heading in a very positive direction with this. For instance Hotaru, but Ashrah.... I hope her alternate outfit is alot different, it resembles too much of Raiden which I dislike, it would piss me off alot if my favorite character was sitting out on a game and they had some rip off character stealing his or her moves.

I bet that's why people are calling these characteres clones and that's why some people are disliking some of the characters such as Ben and Ashrah, they resemble some of the oldschool favorites too much.

I agree with you 100%. The only thing is, don't you think you are a little harsh in number seven, by saying they all suck? many people will yell at you for that. Also, i agree with you on Smoke, he did have some moves that scorpion did not have,i think. Didn't he have the ability to go invisible? Anyway I will say it one more time i agree 100%.

scorpionspupil Wrote: the word clone has been thrown around here lately more than star wars so to all of the he is/ she is a clone whiners i gonna clear somethings up 1 human smoke and scorpion are not clones they couls keep smoke the same now and they would only have one identical move i believ that smoke was tough scorpions moves by the lin kuei to assasinate scorpion but the original sub-zero beat him to the punch then he bacame a robot 2 ermac and kenshi are very different just look at them and of course they have some of the same moves ermac tought kenshi those moves so ermac being the master probably has more up his sleeve and is more powerful 3 noob and skab are completely different and if any one says other wise they should go play tekken 4 now there are some clones 4 ben and cobra cant be clones there the same person cobra was the codename for ben and some peoply think that ben is cage all i have to say to that is lol. 5 frost and sub-zero were very similar but sub-zero is a guy so shut up 6 kabal and mavado all they have in common is that they both use hookswords stop saying there identical 7 limei and milleena and sareena all may have used sai's but there all from different worlds and who cares they all suck any way 8 ashrah is not a female rayden she is a demon hunter and rain is not a copy of rayden he controls the weather not just lightning 9 hsu hao ank kano are not alike even though the play alot alike 10 please god don't let reptile be the dragon king please

Hasn't it already been said by someone on the MK team in an interview or something that Reptile IS in fact the Dragon King or morphs into the Dragon King? I heard somewhere, I think on here, that it is in fact true.

yeah hearing this clone/rip-off thing is getting kinda annoying. yes li mei wore purple and used sais, but you know what? i bet more than one person in the martial arts world uses sais people. and there are only so many weapons the mk team can use. and they essentially have 8 colors to use, once again i'm sure many people wear purple. the similarities btw mileena and li mei stop there, so i don't quite get how they're comparable in any way. if anybody, frost would be the closest thing to a "clone" or "rip-off" but since everybody is in love with sub-zero and her, that usually gets ignored.

KenshiMaster16 Wrote: Hasn't it already been said by someone on the MK team in an interview or something that Reptile IS in fact the Dragon King or morphs into the Dragon King? I heard somewhere, I think on here, that it is in fact true.

i know that reptile is the dragonking asshole i was just saying how i do not want him to be did you even read the post the only ones that matter are 1-9

scorpionspupil Wrote: the word clone has been thrown around here lately more than star wars so to all of the he is/ she is a clone whiners i gonna clear somethings up 1 human smoke and scorpion are not clones they couls keep smoke the same now and they would only have one identical move i believ that smoke was tough scorpions moves by the lin kuei to assasinate scorpion but the original sub-zero beat him to the punch then he bacame a robot 2 ermac and kenshi are very different just look at them and of course they have some of the same moves ermac tought kenshi those moves so ermac being the master probably has more up his sleeve and is more powerful 3 noob and skab are completely different and if any one says other wise they should go play tekken 4 now there are some clones 4 ben and cobra cant be clones there the same person cobra was the codename for ben and some peoply think that ben is cage all i have to say to that is lol. 5 frost and sub-zero were very similar but sub-zero is a guy so shut up 6 kabal and mavado all they have in common is that they both use hookswords stop saying there identical 7 limei and milleena and sareena all may have used sai's but there all from different worlds and who cares they all suck any way 8 ashrah is not a female rayden she is a demon hunter and rain is not a copy of rayden he controls the weather not just lightning 9 hsu hao ank kano are not alike even though the play alot alike 10 please god don't let reptile be the dragon king please

1) all "ninja" characters are copies..direct pallett swaps.

smoke made his debut in mk2. scorpion had the teleport and spear long before smoke did. fact is, smoke was a lame excuse for a "character"..the only thing that seperated the two was a few combos in mkt...they even shared the same combos.
scorpion
spear: b-b-lp (says "get over here" and "c'mere"
Air throw: blk ib air
teleport: d-b-hp

Combos:
hp-hp-hk-b+hk
hp-hp-u+lp

Smoke
spear: b-b-lp (says "get over here" and "c'mere"
Air throw: blk ib air
teleport: d-b-hp

Combos:
hp-hp-hk-b+hk
hp-hp-u+lp
(and those arent the only ones...


2)ermac and kenshi are different....at lease i used to think that prior to mkd..sure, ermac had telekentic moves long before kenshi..but ermac (in mkd) has the same moves kenshi had in mkda.

3) noob and skab are two different characters..as of right now anyway.

4) "cobra" is infact ben.

5) like it or not, frost is a rip off of sub-zero. he was a very orginal character in the mk world..then they throw in frost? she doesnt do anything orginal..even ed boon himself called her "female sub-zero"..yea, listen to the mkda e3 interview.

6)kabal and mavado arent anything alike..so they use the same weapons..so what? its not like bruce lee is the only martial artist to use nunchucks...

7)li mei is in no way simular to mileena. oohhh..they wear simular colors and both use sais..so fuckin what? would you call some one wearing the same shirt as you a clone? didnt think so...if li mei did mileenas sai toss, roll, and drop kick moves, then that would be a different story...and no, they dont suck.

8) no, ashrah isnt a rayden rip off..they both wear hats..gasp!


9)kano and hsu hao are different..but have the same weapon moves, just like scorpion and kenshi..cloning? nah, just lazy programming.

10) reptile is the dragon king, get over it.


in truth, besides the ninja characters of old..no character is an actual clone..more like rip off's of certin parts or moves of other characters.

people like: jarek(kano), frost(sub-zero), human smoke(scorpion), shinnok(mk4..shang tsung), blaze(fire god)..nothing about these characters set them apart from the other characters..nothing we havent seen before..nothing orginal..so when a new mk comes out, why should we even call them new characters when they are rehashes of others?

cloning? no. lack of orginality? yes..dont hate the characters, hate the people that program the characters and their lack of creativity

~applaudes~ Well said man. . .

if smoke makes it in mkd they should explain why he was so similar to scorpion (to cover up there laziness) like what i said earlier mybe the lin kuei made him learn scorpions moves to assasinate him but sub-zero th original beat him to the punch so he became obsulete thats why they turned him into a robot

Mabey the Lin Kuei were impresed with Scorpion's skills and after Scorpion died they did their best to train a warrior to learning the skills Scorpion had. Smoke probably admired Sub-Zero's older brother for killing Scorpion, Scorpion must had been a feared ninja before he died and became what he is today.

Eh you forgot to mention Smoke and Scorpion has different fatalities.

scorpio Wrote: scorpionspupil Wrote: the word clone has been thrown around here lately more than star wars so to all of the he is/ she is a clone whiners i gonna clear somethings up 1 human smoke and scorpion are not clones they couls keep smoke the same now and they would only have one identical move i believ that smoke was tough scorpions moves by the lin kuei to assasinate scorpion but the original sub-zero beat him to the punch then he bacame a robot 2 ermac and kenshi are very different just look at them and of course they have some of the same moves ermac tought kenshi those moves so ermac being the master probably has more up his sleeve and is more powerful 3 noob and skab are completely different and if any one says other wise they should go play tekken 4 now there are some clones 4 ben and cobra cant be clones there the same person cobra was the codename for ben and some peoply think that ben is cage all i have to say to that is lol. 5 frost and sub-zero were very similar but sub-zero is a guy so shut up 6 kabal and mavado all they have in common is that they both use hookswords stop saying there identical 7 limei and milleena and sareena all may have used sai's but there all from different worlds and who cares they all suck any way 8 ashrah is not a female rayden she is a demon hunter and rain is not a copy of rayden he controls the weather not just lightning 9 hsu hao ank kano are not alike even though the play alot alike 10 please god don't let reptile be the dragon king please 1) all "ninja" characters are copies..direct pallett swaps. smoke made his debut in mk2. scorpion had the teleport and spear long before smoke did. fact is, smoke was a lame excuse for a "character"..the only thing that seperated the two was a few combos in mkt...they even shared the same combos. scorpion spear: b-b-lp (says "get over here" and "c'mere" Air throw: blk ib air teleport: d-b-hp Combos: hp-hp-hk-b+hk hp-hp-u+lp Smoke spear: b-b-lp (says "get over here" and "c'mere" Air throw: blk ib air teleport: d-b-hp Combos: hp-hp-hk-b+hk hp-hp-u+lp (and those arent the only ones... 2)ermac and kenshi are different....at lease i used to think that prior to mkd..sure, ermac had telekentic moves long before kenshi..but ermac (in mkd) has the same moves kenshi had in mkda. 3) noob and skab are two different characters..as of right now anyway. 4) "cobra" is infact ben. 5) like it or not, frost is a rip off of sub-zero. he was a very orginal character in the mk world..then they throw in frost? she doesnt do anything orginal..even ed boon himself called her "female sub-zero"..yea, listen to the mkda e3 interview. 6)kabal and mavado arent anything alike..so they use the same weapons..so what? its not like bruce lee is the only martial artist to use nunchucks... 7)li mei is in no way simular to mileena. oohhh..they wear simular colors and both use sais..so fuckin what? would you call some one wearing the same shirt as you a clone? didnt think so...if li mei did mileenas sai toss, roll, and drop kick moves, then that would be a different story...and no, they dont suck. 8) no, ashrah isnt a rayden rip off..they both wear hats..gasp! 9)kano and hsu hao are different..but have the same weapon moves, just like scorpion and kenshi..cloning? nah, just lazy programming. 10) reptile is the dragon king, get over it. in truth, besides the ninja characters of old..no character is an actual clone..more like rip off's of certin parts or moves of other characters. people like: jarek(kano), frost(sub-zero), human smoke(scorpion), shinnok(mk4..shang tsung), blaze(fire god)..nothing about these characters set them apart from the other characters..nothing we havent seen before..nothing orginal..so when a new mk comes out, why should we even call them new characters when they are rehashes of others? cloning? no. lack of orginality? yes..dont hate the characters, hate the people that program the characters and their lack of creativity

The point is they were all clone in the past MK games.

In deception they are not clones, they all have different looks fighting styles and Im sure moves.

i forgot to mention that jarek was supposed to be kano in mk4 and i bet tanya was supposed to be jade not kitana they just chanjed the hair and the color of her suit ( she had a boomerang i have only played as jade on mkt and she had like 4 boomerang moves) they just added those to to fill the lack of new charactors but there not clones there still very different