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posted06/04/2008 04:25 AM (UTC)by
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Methuselah6463
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wow you know... How old is mk now?...

Its pretty old I think I started playing it when I was like 12 or something... who knows..point is I am now 24.. I work a very hard job, I pay my bills in my own rental, Gas IS WAY OVER PRICED..and really the thought dawned on me today...

This MK game wasn't ment for me!!.. I am old and midway knows it... "NOT THAT OLD" but old enough... The target sales point of view is looking for kids who play video games..not the parents!!! Like I myself "COULD BE" so i sort of get why its going to be a Teen Rated game.. way more sales of Teen Rated games like "Smash brothers or Soul Calibur".. Kinda makes sense to me...

To introduce the new age of gamers to the game like MK VS DC sounds like a cool product to me...

I mean i had Armageddon which basicly killed off almost all the characters I knew and loved growing up... So it only sounds more and more logical to take a few of those characters and put them with something younger people can relate to... DC still makes comics and while the comics aren't as popular with this generation as it was with MINE "Teen Titans and the batman movies and whatever else WB cartoons produce under the DC title" Actually makes alot of sense... to a very open story like Mortal kombat

Mortal Kombat had Portals which lead to different places... DC has had the same thing in several of there comic books... It could really work out... after all there both FICITIONAL CHARACTERS... why not mix the two...

Ya got a good market place with DC and one with MK why not try it..wink
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Icebaby
05/31/2008 01:33 AM (UTC)
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Your entire statement is... how can I put this in a way... it doesn't make sense. Are you saying that you beleive that now because Mortal Kombat will be entering a phase, with the new game coming out, where it will be less gorier and not that much violent... making it a T rating? Because that is the hype that I am feeling from your comment.

Mortal Kombat is meant to challenge one against a friend with fighting moves and finishers. Mortal Kombat may be entering this latest, "take it down a notch" phase, but yet again, I can see it being gone after this game.

Because Midway probably wanted to change the attitude Mortal Kombat is in, I beleive that they toned it down a bit just to get us ready for something big to happen in the next game after this crossover game.

But I doubt, in all the years that MK has been around, that it will stay toned down for a long time.

If that is what you meant, then I will be glad to see what you write back. If this isn't what you meant in your statement, then I'm sorry for misreading your post.
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Wanderer
05/31/2008 03:09 AM (UTC)
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I believe the term you're looking for is "sales demographic" which is a target audience for a product.

Methuselah6463 Wrote:
Like I myself "COULD BE" so i sort of get why its going to be a Teen Rated game.. way more sales of Teen Rated games like "Smash brothers or Soul Calibur".. Kinda makes sense to me...


If Midway's marketing team had the sort of attitude that a "T rating will equate to more sales" then they are sorely mistaken. However, I know for a fact that is not what they are thinking. The game is a T rating because of DC's license stipulations. Midway appears to be banking on high sales due to the mix of demographics... however...

What people don't seem to understand is that DC doesn't have a problem with violence. They also don't have a problem with death. People beat the crap out of each other and die and all the time in the DC universe. Hell, there's even visual blood. What DC has a problem with is gore for the sake of shock. By that, I mean visual decapitations, dismemberments, disembowelments, etc.

DC's infrastructure is generally meant to appeal to people of all ages. For the most part, I would say they succeed. Midway is just adhering to DC's license stipulations. Whatever the deal was between Midway and DC, Mortal Kombat would have to bite the bullet and take away some staples to its franchise to appease DC's license agreement.

On that note, I otherwise agree with what you say. Exactly who is Mortal Kombat supposed to appeal to nowadays? DC is meant to appeal to everyone of all ages, so who encompasses Mortal Kombat's demographic?

I would be hard pressed to say that Mortal Kombat is supposed to be marketed towards any sort of "mature" audience. Mortal Kombat's entire gimmick is a ridiculous amount of gore for shock factor. Gore to the point where it's unrealistic and impossible. It's meant to make the player go "Wow, that's so cool!" Quite frankly, I think the only people who would do that are kids. I did it when I was a kid. Original Mortal Kombat advertisements were marketed towards kids by saying how "edgy" it was and even featured kids on arcade flyers.

Nowadays, with more realistic violence being pursued in the wake of more photorealistic graphics, Mortal Kombat isn't edgy or pushing the bar anymore. The gore is absurdly cartoony and just plain silly. I think at this point the only people actually buying the games are the most die-hard fans that Mortal Kombat appealed to the back in the 90s and preteens who have a boner for excess blood. Even then, each subsequent release during the PlayStation 2 era garnered less sales than the previous title. Why is that? It's hard to say, but I would personally place the blame on hype in the face of a lackluster gameplay experience. Let's face it, Mortal Kombat is the ass of all jokes amongst fighting games. It simply can't seem to keep up with the rest, and with Armageddon's release Midway seems to even be pissing off its own die-hard fans whom don't seem to care as much about the core gameplay as they do other aspects such as story.

What I hope is happening is that Midway is using the marketing hype of a crossover to show off something extraordinary in regards to its fighting engine. Something that will draw in fans of both series, those who enjoy crossover titles, those who like fighting games, and make all of them stick around on the MK train once they see that the Mortal Kombat franchise can, in fact, compete with the best of them without relying on a gimmick that long ago ran its course.

I'm aware that was an extremely lengthy diatribe so I appreciate whoever read it all for doing so.
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mkflegend
05/31/2008 04:42 PM (UTC)
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Well, to sum it up. This game will sell bigtime because of the MK fans and DC fans being attracted to it, which I'm sure will outnumber the number of "haters" on the idea.

That and the fact that with a T rating, even though the fans obsessed with the "M" rating don't know this or ignore this fact all together......with the T rating you'll be attracting more fans that normally "don't play MK games" because of the blood or perhaps a parent feels it's too "Mature" understandably so.

This game will still have blood, darkness etc I even might reconsider if I'm a parent and go with a light, friendlier looking game but I'm sure the T rating will actually do more good then bad if you think about it.

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lastfighter89
05/31/2008 06:39 PM (UTC)
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in the cinema business the "majors" stopped making violent movies(with few exceptions) because they believed that T rated movies willl sell better(and look at how all family comedy and pixar 3D cartoons sold) than adults only movies.
this trend seems to end right 'cause now the laws are less restrictive and the only one who complaints are parental organizations.
they stopped complaining when they understood that the parents were the first to wish to watch a violent and mature movie instead of stupid comedies.
now,about videogames, this trend tends to increase with time.
Except for very popular game franchise(such GTA4) all software house are making non-violent or less-violent games.
Look at SEGA :Condemned2 had flaws only in Germany,but in the rest of the wrold no.SEGA voluntarily cutted the violence from the game for ALL versions.The result?
the game was equally banned from germany market,instead the other market where there wasn't problems,the game was shipped with less violence and gore,when they instead can release the full uncensored game.

Now MK is ythe most iconic violent saga,turn off the violence from it(or just decrease it) would be a great victory for all parental organizations.
and this can destroy Videogames.
so the risk is actual and a lot of software house are following the tendence to avoid(when possible9 violence,when instead since a generation ago software house did all the possible to make their games gorier and more violent than normal.

so i think we need to rebel and ask for a violent and gore game.
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mkflegend
05/31/2008 06:56 PM (UTC)
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Well, honestly I don't think it'll destroy Video games lol. You see if MK went with the "Tekken or SF route" no blood, cheesy cartoon violence, PG13 element....then I'd totally agree with you, saying they caved etc.

But Midway is still keeping their unique "style" of darkness, blood and violence regardless with MK8 aka MK vs. DC which I like.

Even with MK8, you won't see as much blood there still is blood regardless, the violence is still there and they're merely replacing "over the top fatalities" with finishers which is still a death move, just not "over the top bloody"

At least, they're not KAK like MKA's fatality system that most fans hated. lol each character will have their own unique finish which I like.

I honestly agree with your first few paragraphs and see the same happening for MK8. There's also the fact that DC hasn't had a good or any fighting games for that matter since the crappy Sega and SNES versions way back lol.

So, I also believe that alone will help sell this game honestly.
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lastfighter89
05/31/2008 11:12 PM (UTC)
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of course i didn't want to over-dramatize this tendence,i just want to evidence that.
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mkflegend
06/01/2008 03:07 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, it's no prob dude. I just wanted to state that there's nothing to worry aboutgrin
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Deathbearer
06/01/2008 04:25 PM (UTC)
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I really don't get what you're saying...
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lastfighter89
06/01/2008 10:30 PM (UTC)
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i'm saying this:complaining now is useful to get a decent MK8,complaining for a different Mk vs DCU is pointless.
so i expect a violent and gory game in 2009/10
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Deathbearer
06/02/2008 06:19 PM (UTC)
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not you, the person who wrote the first post. I get what you're saying. I want MK to go back to being MK and not MK vs DC, or as I like to call it: MK And the Men in Tights.
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chaosorder
06/02/2008 10:53 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Well, to sum it up. This game will sell bigtime because of the MK fans and DC fans being attracted to it, which I'm sure will outnumber the number of "haters" on the idea. even ppl who hate the idea of a cross over would buy t just out of shear curiosity, especially if they have some link to either DC or mk
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mkflegend
06/03/2008 02:06 AM (UTC)
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And also the people "casual curious gamers" out there that will definitely pick it up out of curiousity. I know quite a few friends already that love comics that will get the game, excited to see DC guys not only in a fighting game but going up against MK's roster.smile
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06/04/2008 03:57 AM (UTC)
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Wanderer Wrote:
I believe the term you're looking for is "sales demographic" which is a target audience for a product.

Methuselah6463 Wrote:
Like I myself "COULD BE" so i sort of get why its going to be a Teen Rated game.. way more sales of Teen Rated games like "Smash brothers or Soul Calibur".. Kinda makes sense to me...


If Midway's marketing team had the sort of attitude that a "T rating will equate to more sales" then they are sorely mistaken. However, I know for a fact that is not what they are thinking. The game is a T rating because of DC's license stipulations. Midway appears to be banking on high sales due to the mix of demographics... however...

What people don't seem to understand is that DC doesn't have a problem with violence. They also don't have a problem with death. People beat the crap out of each other and die and all the time in the DC universe. Hell, there's even visual blood. What DC has a problem with is gore for the sake of shock. By that, I mean visual decapitations, dismemberments, disembowelments, etc.

DC's infrastructure is generally meant to appeal to people of all ages. For the most part, I would say they succeed. Midway is just adhering to DC's license stipulations. Whatever the deal was between Midway and DC, Mortal Kombat would have to bite the bullet and take away some staples to its franchise to appease DC's license agreement.

On that note, I otherwise agree with what you say. Exactly who is Mortal Kombat supposed to appeal to nowadays? DC is meant to appeal to everyone of all ages, so who encompasses Mortal Kombat's demographic?

I would be hard pressed to say that Mortal Kombat is supposed to be marketed towards any sort of "mature" audience. Mortal Kombat's entire gimmick is a ridiculous amount of gore for shock factor. Gore to the point where it's unrealistic and impossible. It's meant to make the player go "Wow, that's so cool!" Quite frankly, I think the only people who would do that are kids. I did it when I was a kid. Original Mortal Kombat advertisements were marketed towards kids by saying how "edgy" it was and even featured kids on arcade flyers.

Nowadays, with more realistic violence being pursued in the wake of more photorealistic graphics, Mortal Kombat isn't edgy or pushing the bar anymore. The gore is absurdly cartoony and just plain silly. I think at this point the only people actually buying the games are the most die-hard fans that Mortal Kombat appealed to the back in the 90s and preteens who have a boner for excess blood. Even then, each subsequent release during the PlayStation 2 era garnered less sales than the previous title. Why is that? It's hard to say, but I would personally place the blame on hype in the face of a lackluster gameplay experience. Let's face it, Mortal Kombat is the ass of all jokes amongst fighting games. It simply can't seem to keep up with the rest, and with Armageddon's release Midway seems to even be pissing off its own die-hard fans whom don't seem to care as much about the core gameplay as they do other aspects such as story.

What I hope is happening is that Midway is using the marketing hype of a crossover to show off something extraordinary in regards to its fighting engine. Something that will draw in fans of both series, those who enjoy crossover titles, those who like fighting games, and make all of them stick around on the MK train once they see that the Mortal Kombat franchise can, in fact, compete with the best of them without relying on a gimmick that long ago ran its course.

I'm aware that was an extremely lengthy diatribe so I appreciate whoever read it all for doing so.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
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06/04/2008 04:25 AM (UTC)
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Methuselah6463 Wrote:

Mortal Kombat had Portals which lead to different places... DC has had the same thing in several of there comic books... It could really work out... after all there both FICITIONAL CHARACTERS... why not mix the two...

Well... if that were... huh? confused
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