What fucked me up the most was not the fact that spear throwing fire breathing Ninja can't mix with men in tight spandex costumes, but the fact that MK could never EVER have its own crossover title. I mean, you can call me close minded, or whatever the fuck you wish to, but i don't take back a single word of my anti crossover speaches.

Mortal Kombat is unique, it has tons of background storyline, it has its own pack of myths/ legends (wich can be tremendously expanded) about heroes or supernatural beings, it has its own explanation for the begining of the Universe and all its worlds/realms (wich can also be expanded), it has tons of characters with unique styles never seen in other games, it has it's own list of clans/ groups that are active for religious intents or simple terrorism acts.. etc etc ETC etc.

I can talk hours about what i take as the "MK essence" or MK "spirit", wich is composed of the culmination of a dark and bleack aura with traits of asian misticism and traditions resulting into an incredingly deep darkly fantasised set with "its own rules".

All of this make MK a stand alone series, not like Dead or Alive, Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, King of Fighters... etc wich are ALL made in a somewhat "Anime style", and so it is just not right to mix/fuse it with the awesomely unique MK style.

Not using any of those games in a crossover would make sence, as all those are Japanese and MK American, but even so, DC being American, isn't just 'mixable' with MK... i mean, c'mon.

The only chances i see for this game not to be such a bigger tragedy that it already is, is Midway to assume it to be a non-canon spin off, and continue the storyline in MK 9, piking it right were MKA left it.

You see, a crossover game makes the titles it focuses on seem 'less plausible'. Like, you have this game, right? It has its own set and Universe, characters and their storylines and all that, and all of a sudden you see all of those mixed with some other game's data in a crossover game... you just feal like all that background was "not that serious", and the columns imposed by it can actually change, be molded and arranged in order to fit another set's 'rules'. It just ruins a franchise's plausibility.

This happened with Street Fighter, but who the fuck cares about SF's storyline? It has always been irrelevant in the first place. Now it will happen with MK... THE LAST FUCKING GAME IT COULD EVER HAPPEN WITH.. MK is known for its looong storyline, and most fans (like myself) love it because of this feature: DEEEEP AS FUCK storyline. Now, my friends, MK's solid columns will be shaken so hard they will collapse, and crumble.

Call me a n00b, a geek, a fucking idiot, whatever the fuck you wish to... but i'll always be here.

What Nightcrow said.

Also, to the direct question of what really pissed me off about the announcement of the game... I WAS EXPECTING THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF A MORTAL KOMBAT GAME. Ed the Neanderthal in all his smugness then comes in with this "We're merging with COMIX!!!" bullshit. After making us wait what seems like forever, but was really only about 1.5 years. It's almost like proposing to your long-standing girlfriend, and then she says, "yes... but can this other guy I've been seeing on the side get in on it, too? No trust me, you'll love him, he's really great."

Like I said elsewhere, I truly believe they think they had the upper hand in swerving us all. Most don't like that fact, but many do (as evidenced by the massive flame war going on right now). Their monumentally disappointing sales will be last word on that matter sometime in Q4 2008 or 1Q 2009.

Meanwhile, I continue to work on my own story of the REAL MK8.

Midway isnt going to pay attention to a "guide" that a bunch of whiny fanboys on a forum sends them. IM as annoyed as you are but get over it

I'll guarantee you that this MK will sell TONS just as every other MK game has. It's the Mortal Kombat brand name. The past 3 games have been above average what makes you think it will all of a sudden SUCK just because it has DC characters in it?

I bet if it was MK vs SF, Tekken, or Soul Calibur everyone would be excited. Everyone goes nuts over darth vader and yoda being hidden characters in soul calibur, yet MK takes it one step further and bases a WHOLE game with characters you'd never expect to see in an MK game.

Like I said in another thread, I BET at least 85% of everyone who is hating now will love the game once more details are known.

All I can say is the MK team has yet to dissapoint with their past few games, why would they make a crap game now?

Even if the game looks like the next best thing since jet pack, there is no doubt they have greatly undermined MK by mixing it with comical shit. They killed the storyline legacy in MKA not they have totally buried it 6feet under!

"Like I said in another thread, I BET at least 85% of everyone who is hating now will love the game once more details are known."

Yes, and then we'll all hold hands and skip our stupid happy asses down Candy-Covered Fairy Road Land! YAAAAAAYYYY!!!

People like you give people like me a damn headache, because you sound mouth-breathingly stupid. Did you just hear about everything in the last 5 minutes? From the way you talk that's exactly what the hell it sounds like. So, once again, let me reiterate what one of the problems with this title is...

"For me, the gameplay, at least what we know of it so far, is not what I have a beef with. If you're willing to accept finally-improved gameplay and giving us most everything else they (TeamMK) promised us at the expense of their [not] staying within the MK franchise that brought them all their success, then that's on you. To me, it reeks of so much contrarianism and "Hey, look, we all ZWERVED you, aren't we so cool?" Look, I like DC Comics, despite all the silliness (like the 52 series and Crisis on Infinite Earths). When I'm in a DC mood, I'll pick up a comic. When I'm in the mood for MK, I pop in one of the games and get to playing. I'm not going to accept this game on its own terms just because there's a growing number of people who think this is somehow a good move on TeamMK's part."

- me from another thread earlier this morning.

My mind is made up. I'm not budging any more than fanboys like you who will apparently accept any bright, shiny object with the MK dragon slapped on it are gonna budge.

Fanboys need to wake up, be objective and stop ejaculating our dragons.

I've posted like 10million times why I don't understand how the heck MK mixes with DC. If they can't keep up with ideas just close the fricken franchise. end of story. Don't sell it out for peanuts while keeping people in suspense. MK will be dead and buried if this game end up sucking balls. That's what would happen. They had the Unreal Engine to start something totally amazing even if it is delayed but no... They sold it out!

Well....let's see here.
We were told they were starting with a clean slate. They were starting over with new characters, and not many old characters were returning.
We get MK vs DC.
Yes, the fighting is a clean slate, but the characters remain. No new MK characters (at least there probably wont be). But a majority of us were looking forward to MK8 being exclusively MK.
Now, for me, the universes do not seem to fit. Period. That is just opinion, I realize that, but it happens to be the opinon of a lot of people out there as well. The "worlds collide" idea is intriguing...but...
As far as story goes, especially with MKSM and MKA, it seems they took all their work over all the years and just pitched it in the toilet. NOW, instead of STARTING OVER, they are pitching it to a comic writer, continuing on with the story, and saying "hey, fix this will ya?". The result is probably going to be DC characters taking center stage over MK characters. Again, not what the MK fans wanted, and it is a major kick in the teeth to a lot of MK fans out there who have been watching the story for years slowly degenerate after MKD.
The original idea sickened me, but I part of me STILL has been conditioned by Midway to believe their lies in saying "yeah, we worked on balance, and story, and its so great". So I tried to picture the whole idea in a positive light. I watched the interview with Boon, and almost laughed at some of the stuff he said, because IT IS THE SAME CRAP WE HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR YEARS. Then I watched the demo video. I can tell already, the gameplay is simplistic, and the graphics are not anywhere NEAR what they were implying they would be. Now some fans would say "its an early version, it is still in production". Well, they better hurry up then, because this sucker is being released this fall.
Now, onto the gameplay. I can see exactly what is happening here, and it is the same thing that has been happening for years, which is substituting the excitement over a gimmick or feature for solid gameplay, which true fighting fans have been suffering over for years. MKD, it was 2 fatalities, and everyone was so excited. Then the gameplay was discovered to be subpar. MKA, it was "holy cow, every character!" The fighting fans banged their heads on their desks in anticipation of brokeness, while the fanbois out there screamed their loudest. Again, not surprisingly, the gameplay was subpar (I'm being kind here). Actually, MKSM was decent, but they raped the story of MK2. Anyways, now we are on to the new game, and what is they hype driven feature/gimmick NOW to take the attention off of gameplay? It has DC charaacters in it! But not only that, it's on the Unreal engine so it MUST be good, right? Check out the vid again, especially the part where they are falling and fighting. It looks JUST like the simplistic MK gameplay they have been spoonfeeding us for years.
I understand some see my posts as negative, and that is fine. My question is...can you blame me? Can you blame the longtime fans who, despite knowing Midway CAN do better but don't, are wrong for expecting another failure? Can you blame us for seeing a trend and a track record of substituting gimicks for gameplay for the past 3 games?
Concept = what are you guys thinking??
Gameplay= we are not sure yet, but looks subpar again so far
Graphics = crappy, but may change
Story= uh.....k we will see
Conclusion= here we go AGAIN....can you blame us for being negative?

How about some people wait until the game actually comes out, before pissing all over it?

As for the storyline, @ trax what's up man? I disagree here....Boon said what he was going to do and that was to end one legacy and start another...I'm sure in the next MK we'll get some hints, vids or explainations telling what happened post MKA like he said in the interviews and besides. The MKA with everyone in there was the fans doing...in MKD everyone bitched on here that "we want everyone" give us all" Boon and Midway did that and they complained about other shit lol Especially with the bios and Khameleon nonsense which is just a joke to hate the game for with some people...I have always enjoyed the storyline, the twists and turns and still offers way more then any other fighter in that sense.

So, to me with certain fans anyway...it's a lose-lose for Midway, with the openminded fans(not necessarily loyal) but openminded that's not the case


The style looks different and can tell will take getting used to but, I'm sure I'll adapt to it sooner or later.


I'm looking forward to the change honestly

One other point... I have to disagree slightly with my fellow "haterz" on the point of everyone complaining about the degeneration of the storyline after MKD... It seems that, to this day even, most people don't realize that Armageddon was this decade's version of Trilogy, a sendoff of sorts. When you throw in every character that's ever been in every game (like Trilogy before did), and that number comes up to over 60 characters in one game, you're basically saying "we don't care that much about the story", which is almost understandable if you're supposed to be wiping the slate clean anyway. Also understandable, though, is how fans can feel misled if you retroactively start adding bios for characters to fit with the obligatory story for Konquest mode, and then just say "screw it" and stop in the middle. Work on the stories should have taken precedence BEFORE the game was released, because that's usually how it works; you want a clear sense of why the characters are even in there in the first place. Add in shitty, cursory afterthought endings, and us fans don't even get a sense of closure before you move on to the next thing. It all makes TeamMK look incompetent.

"How about some people wait until the game actually comes out, before pissing all over it? "

How about some other people wait until the game actually comes out, before wetting themselves about how great it'z gunna be and all u haterz get tha'f'outta here and stop killin' their buzz?

Oh, I guess that ship sailed already, too...

I never said the game is great, but it's a start and a change in which the fans in the first place wanted. So, we got just that and still some not satisfied...

There's MK fans and then there's perfectionists...

Perfection=doesn't exist with anything last time I checked

Fixed that for ya. And besides that last part, I have to agree with everything MKF has been saying. It's stupid to be bashing a game that has been announced only a day ago

Have you been paying attention to this board? We are not in agreement, and it's clear we're just not gonna be. Which fans wanted this? You? Here's a question: If, prior to Apr. 17, we knew for absolutely sure that this game was going to be a crossover, but we didn't know exactly with what, would you be saying to yourself, "I know! DC COMICS!!"?

Fans like me (and, if you look around, I am not in the minority here) wanted a NEW MORTAL KOMBAT game. There's no way in hell the bid to enter the next-gen console wars should've been started with a crossover which most of us can only hope will end up as a throwaway attempt, right down there with Special Forces. Let me say it like this: before the official announcement of any MK game, being the somewhat imaginative person/obsessive MK fan that I am, I write down my own ideas for where the story should go based off the continuity of some of the endings of the previous game that I liked. When the game is finally released, for better or for worse, I roll with the existing new storylines, and my imagination goes towards the possibilities left by the endings of the current game, and the cycle starts again. That's not happening here. This game could have been much more within the MK Universe, gameplay aside (let's face it, we're still bitching about the shitty gameplay of a 16-year-old franchise, so something has to be keeping us interested), and instead Ed & Co. just gave up. Allow me to paraphrase from The Architect from The Matrix: Reloaded: "There are levels of [perfection] we're prepared to accept". The concept just falls so far short of the mark, it's disgusting.

Love this game as much as you want to: but do you understand what I'm saying?

you think the mk fans and dc fans are the only people who are pissed?

think again

I wanted a change, I couldn't care less if it was a crossover vs. a very high respected franchise...

Like I said, if you remember(assuming you're old enough) or were around when MVC games came out, initially people hated the SF vs. Marvel idea...some liked it, others not so much. Much like we are seeing with this news.

However, I can also tell the level of ignorance with gameplay concerning lots of fans but I'm not even going to get into that but say a few things...MKA was way better gameplay wise then MKD was. The gameplay mechanics were there, unlike MKD where there weren't any other then breakers...You're talking to one of the best MK players on xbox live ok, so I assure you I can show you personally if you have xbox live sometime. That's how I know...and believe me, MKA is way better gameplay wise then MKD was. MK:DA was the most balanced...

There's also lets' see here MK2, MK3, UMK3 don't forget which are very good games and are played seriously online. But if I have to convince you of this, then I won't even waste my time because that's a fact on those two MK games.

MK:SM? Last time I checked most fans loved that game.

I can go on and on with the better MK's vs. not so better...

Ed didn't give up anything, they wanted to try something new and this is what we have. Either accept it or don't, but please don't be one of these fans that come on here claiming to "love MK" and being open to new ideas when you already have the nail in the coffin with this game, a game that's not even out yet....

That just doesn't make sense, it's judging a book by it's cover and let me ask you this. If you made a game, movie, book, whatever....would you want people to judge your work BEFORE it's even out based on a mere tease? Or would you want to at least have people read your book, play your game or watch your movie before ripping into it?


Just because you and some other fans dislike this idea doesn't mean ALL MK fans do, there's many fans that agree with you and many that agree with me so obviously the fanbase is torn now aren't they?

I'm willing to give any MK related game a chance at least before ripping it, I don't judge anything in life pre-maturely.


@ Subman ha, ha that's funny man but sorry dude there's a few infinites in SSBB believe it or not on certain stages with Pit, there's also the jiggly puff glitch which is silly actually but overall not that bad.

In competitive play, the Jiggs thing won't work because there are no Final Smashes, and Pit's Infinite is only useable on banned stages (like Shadow Moses Island)

We established this already, I think. You'll take just any chage TeamMK is willing to shit on us with. Got it.


I certainly do remember the MvC series, starting with X-Men v. Street Fighter. I still own MvC and part 2 for the Dreamcast. They were fun for a while, then I put 'em down. Here's the kicker: though I liked both Capcom and Marvel, I was never as passionate with either one of them as I always have been with Mortal Kombat, In any event, Capcom had been doing ports of Marvel games before they ever crossed over, so there was at least precedent there. Here, there's simply no precedent for crossing MK with any other title, and now out of the blue we're supposed to just accept this like sheep? No, pointing that out isn't moving me.


You're. Still. Talking. About. THE GAMEPLAY. You wanna do that? FINE. Since you apparently glossed over the part where I said I had no beef with changes to the gameplay, let me make it as clear as I can here: I NO HATE TEH CHANGE IN GAMEPLAY. That's not my issue with rejecting this game.


YES THE HELL HE DID.. What about this do you not see? He clearly, at some point, had a choice: "I can A)either have my trusted guys or some new Midway hires come up with an entirely new storyline that wipes the slate clean, like I promised everybody, or B)Give it to these guys in suits who said they were from DC, who are gonna come with absolutely NOTHING new character-wise or storyline-wise, and how much are they paying me again?" He would have been better off making a new Mortal Kombat only game and trying his luck with the new gameplay engine that way. IMO, he most definitely would have made more profit that way.


Oh, OK then. Swallowing any old swill is definitely better than exercising some damn judgment. Got it. BTW, you leave quotes off of there next time you talk about someone who's not you loving MK; I put up with the same amount of crap any other long-timer who's been around since the first game has. In addition, I'm open to GOOD new ideas, not shitty ones like MK vs DC. You think anything that's new is automatically good or better than the last? Because that's the vibe you give off. Midway is supposed to have a crew of people who vet shit like this, who are supposed to determine the good ideas from the bad ones, and they were probably all on vacation the moment this shit was proposed.


That's a joke, right?



Your words. Think before you stumble into holier-than-thou mode.