Cool thread PNF. Here are my ideas:
Appearance: I like his MKD primary costume the most and I hope that'll be his primary costume for this game. I doubt we'll see Monster again so perhaps he can have that look since Scorpion was originally intended to have that for his alternate costume. I'd also like to see his MKSM look and I'm talking about the one we see in the renders and intro movie, not the in-game look.
Gameplay: I really wish he would use Ninpo Taijutsu as his fighting style since he is the true ninja of the MK series. The reason why I say Ninpo Taijutsu and not Ninjutsu is because I think Ninpo Taijutsu is a more accurate term since the actual meaning of Ninjutsu is "art of stealth" or "art of espionage". Now, sure, Ninjutsu can be used to describe the art, but still...Either way, he should use it and I'd like to see him be more on the direct and offensive side, using the Jumonji no Kamae as his fighting stance. Basically, the Jumonji no Kamae is an offensive posture used in the various Ninjutsu Ryu as well as in Gyokko Ryu Koshijutsu. The front foot is pointed towards the opponent and the rear foot is perpendicular to it. Both knees are bent and the arms are crossed but not touching while the hands are in a Shito Ken (Thumb Fist). Move-wise, I'd see him using a combination of Koppojutsu and Dakentaijutsu elements with a bit of Jutaijutsu. I'm not sure about the Koshijutsu stuff though. So all in all, it's not referring to a particular Ninjutsu style or anything. I would've said Shirai Ryu since it's an actual Ninjutsu Ryu that existed long ago along with Hakuun Ryu, Shinto Ryu, and Negishi Ryu among others, but it's pretty much extinct much like the Shirai Ryu clan in the MK storyline so there's no one who knows the style who could mocap for it so I'm just going for a mixture of various techniques used by the ninja.
For his other fighting style, I guess they could give him Hapkido since he's had it in both MKDA and MKD and it seems to be one of his trademark styles. It's similar to Tae Kwon Do with the strikes and kicks and Aikido with its circular hand movements, joint-locks, and throws. So all in all, it's a well-rounded style so it should be well-rounded in this game too. Attack 3 needs to be toned down as it's still too damn fast. I'd like to see some more moves in his Hapkido style like a knife hand strike and an axe kick, things like that.
For his weapon, I think he should use a Wakizashi or maybe a weapon that has a Wakizashi blade fitted with a Katana-length handle. This would be fast and medium ranged. It would be great to see for Scorpion. Either that or he should use the blade of his spear as his weapon which is actually a Kunai. He would be really fast, but really close-ranged with it.
When it comes to his special moves, basically, he should have the Spear of course and I'd like for it to be faster. He should definitely have the Hellfire and the Fiery Flipkick. I hope he'll have his Teleport Punch and Forward Leap Punch. Sure, he had that Teleport Attack in MKD, but that move was extremely shitty and shouldn't return. I'd really like to see him have the Fire Breath again. Sure, he has the Hellfire attack, but the Fire Breath can be good for playing a keep away game...sorta...It should be unblockable, but not track and it should have a slow enough start up so that things won't be too cheap. Perhaps he can have his Air Throw though that may not be needed if the Teleport Punch and Forward Leap Punch are given to him and can be done in the air. And maybe, just maybe, he should have his Scissor Kick. It could go under high and mid attacks and knock the opponent down.
Btw PNF, although Scorpion was toned down, he's a top-tier character in MKD.
Fatalities: I think for the sake of nostalgia, he should have his Toasty fatality. I like how in the first MK movie that his eyes lit on fire before doing the Toasty so I'd like to see that incorporated. His Toasty fatality should be crazy and sort of over-the-top in which his fire breathing is big and the screaming should be good. I just hope there won't be any kind of explosion, because I would hate that for this fatality. It should basically burn them to a crisp like in MK1 and there should be some great detail in the burning of the opponent's body.
I like his spear-related MKD fatality and I'd like to see that again as well as his MKSM fatality in which he uses the blade of his spear to slash and stab his opponent. Another fatality I would like to see is the Hell Grab and when the hand comes up, the opponent should be scared shitless and when the hand actually grabs him/her there should be screaming since the hand is well...very very hot...
Storyline: I basically agree with PNF that yeah, Scorpion should kick Quan Chi's ass and that Scorpion should be tied into the whole Sub-Zero/Noob Saibot thing. MKDA fucked his storyline by basically saying that Scorpion has been after Sub-Zero from MK1 - MK4 without knowing there are 2 different Sub-Zeros. I bet he still doesn't know that fact. *sighs* But anyway, he should definitely feel responsible for what he did by helping create Noob and he should try to take him down. Perhaps there should be a Sub-Zero/Scorpion team up though not something that should happen right away. It should happen unspokenly in which they are battling Noob and realize that it's better if they work together to take him down...or something like that.
Scorpion is Ed Boon's favorite character as we all know and I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the ninja specter. If that's the case, I guess he should be the Elder Gods' enforcer. However, I would like to see Scorpion's soul rest and be with his family.
Overall: Scorpion was one of my top characters, but I honestly don't like him as much as I used to. I truly hope that MKA will do his storyline justice at the very least.

^Yeah I know Scorpion was toned down, but I pointed that the only reason that he was toned down was because they took out the shove... otherwise he probably still would've been a God-tier.

I'd prefer his DA costume, with his Deception mask.
His DA mask looked like a solid gold plate bolted onto his face, imo.
Ka-Tra

Well, it's not only that. The Pi Gua style itself in MKDA was cheap due to pretty much all of the moves being safe by using the backdash.

My only thoughts on Scorpion are that firstly his Hapkido needs to be toned down alogn with the Mugai Ryu weapon. Both too abusable and shouldn't be anywhere near as safe as they are.
Secondly, let him have his revenge. When they said that loose ends would be tied up, I greatly hope they meant his story. I just want it over and done with so I don't need to see anymore lame stall attempts and screwovers that delay the supposed inevitable.

You know, 7th, as the story originally goes, Scorpion was decieved by Quan Chi into believing that the younger Sub-Zero had murdered his clan and family, whith Scorpion still realizing that the original Sub-Zero had taken his life. Shinnok and Quan Chi then allowed Scorpion to ascend from the Netherrealm to kill the younger Sub-Zero in exchange for his services in the fourth tournament.
It's possible that in Scorpion's DA biography that they were mentioning Quan Chi's deception specifically. Note that it never says Scorpion believed Sub-Zero took his own life, only the lives of his family and clan. No?

^Just one minor note... MK4 was not a tournament (or at least it SHOULDN'T been, it would've made more sense that way) The only games that had tournaments were from my POV: MK1 and MK2. MK3-MK:D... wouldn't make sense if they were tournaments... (Ok... MK:DA had that Li Mei tournament, but fighters like Kung Lao, Kitana and Johnny Cage weren't involved)

pnf wrote: I think the perfect ending would be that due to his role as the Elder Gods Champion and bringing down the big evil... his soul is redeemed and cleansed of the evil that put him in the Netherrealm and he is finally allowed to ascend to the Heavens to be with his family
great idea dude.scorpion is my fav. char. since mk1.is a badass

And a house who lived as assassins, killing people for the malicious deeds and desires of other people defniitely makes them belong to hea-ven. Where are some napkins, i think my tears are flowing out.
Seriously, if they are ever to redeem his stale plotline, than Scorpion should be reversed to be more enigmatic about his aims. Maybe a silent enforcer of unknown goals set to slay whomever the Elder Gods decide. he should strike on those who are either unbalancing the weight of the situation or those who are unnecessary.
Remember, the Elder Gods are not an elder fluffy good guys club. And I can see them equally malicious or even moreso than Shinnok or Onaga now. Damn, it may even turn out to be that the One Being is completely innocent or something like that. Play Morrowind to get a picture for it.

This is how i would like to see scorpion.
Main outfit:
http://www.mortalkombat.ch/fightstyle/game_images/mkda_hapkido.jpg
2ndary outfit: http://www.midway.com/images/MK_Monks/mksm_scorpion_render.jpg
3rd outfit:
http://www.totalmortalkombat.com/mkd/renders/scorpion_render_01.jpg
4th outfit: http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Vblr5eY9_gMlYM:www.mkkool.mkoutworld.net/images/MK/mkwall/scorpwall2mkkool.jpg
Im good.

Three words; Anti-Air Spear.
The air combat is back, why not? It just has to have a cheesy; "Get Down Here!" too!
I could elaborate, but I've posted this idea somewhere else. I'm sure you've all thought of it.

the only thing i can say abot scorpion in mka is....expect the un-expected.
Lot's of people are saying that scorp should kill quan chi in mka.
boon said.... mka is tieing up loose ends.
is it me or do u think thats too predictable ?...i guess that some one else will kill quan chi, and scorp will go crazy all over again. I think that because if quan chi dies of the hands of scorp, what would scorp do next ?...
i guess there's too many questions need answering over a huge period of time. I guess we gonna have to wait n see.

Wow...you sure know how to be overdramatic, don't you? *sighs* tsk tsk and another tsk...Triple tsks all dee way.
Anyhoo, if they are ever to redeem his plotline, his story needs to have more than just dealing with Quan Chi and/or even Onaga. With the revelation that Noob Saibot was once the Original Sub-Zero, this is the golden opportunity for that loose end to be tied up involving Scorpion within that storyline.
I'm fully aware as well as PNF that the Elder Gods aren't good. They're neutral as they only care about the continuous existence of the realms and they do NOT directly interfere in matters that go on in there.
To RussoRoss: MK4 isn't a tournament. Many years ago, before MK1, Quan Chi framed the Older Sub-Zero for the death of Scorpion's family and clan. After Scorpion finally got his revenge in the Mortal Kombat tournament, he later learned of the return of Sub-Zero and was allowed to go into Outworld to find Sub-Zero and take him down once and for all. In the original storyline, he discovered that this Sub-Zero was different as in merciful and learned that he was the younger brother of the man he killed so he vowed to protect this Sub-Zero as restitution for killing the older one. This shows that Scorpion has some honor in him and isn't just some mindlessly angry person.
Unfortunately, the vow was retconned out of the storyline and MKDA enforced this by saying that for many years, Scorpion believed that Sub-Zero was responsible for the death of his family and clan but later was revealed to him that Quan Chi was the true killer. It also says that Scorpion has been hunting Sub-Zero for many years due to this belief so that right there says that Scorpion is ignorant of there being two Sub-Zeros.
To nobrainer: Nah..I don't think he really needs it. He should just have the Air Throw, Teleport Punch and Forward Leap Punch to help with that sort of stuff.

That's weird. I distinctly recall Raiden somewhat illegitimately declaring Mortal Kombat against Shinnok, hence Liu Kang defeating Shinnok and thus earning a fourth tournament victory...
Strange stuff.

Mortal Kombat isn't always a tournament. It can be a challenge kind of like in Xiaolin Showdown. So in other words, Liu Kang challenged Shinnok to Mortal Kombat, putting his title as Champion at risk though he was able to defeat the fallen Elder God thus gaining a Mortal Kombat victory and keeping his status as Champion of Mortal Kombat.
Remember in Kira's ending in MKD? Kabal pitted Kobra and Kira against each other in Mortal Kombat, but there was no tournament involved whatsoever.

^Yup... with that, I'd like to point out that just because Shang Tsung killed Liu Kang doesn't mean that Tsung became the Champion of Mortal Kombat. Tsung's fight with Liu Kang in MK:DA's intro wasn't a challenge, it was an attack. Liu Kang fought back in self defense...
But anyway... back on topic

I think that they should keep his Deception uniform... but his SECOND COSTUME from MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY ALLIANCE should definately return with a lot more detail. I also agree that his fatalities should definately be his "Toasty," but it should be a little more defined. And his "Hand From Hell" should definately return... but again, be more defined.

I was wondering... do you think its possible, that Scorpion will resurrect Shirin Ryu Clan after Quan Chi dies?
Or...
Do you guys like the idea of Scorpion being a lone wolf?

I think you mean Shirai Ryu....
I don't think he'd do something like that. I wouldn't want him to anyway.
Btw, don't bump threads that are this old.

scorp has always been 1 of my fav characters, and i like all the stuff you guys have said. i want him to have his revenge and be the champion of the elder gods, but i would hate it if he just vanishes just couse he had his revenge, i think thats why his supostly the champ of the elder gods.

scorpion's been my favorite character since MK1, too.. and it would be nice to see him get his revenge and have his soul cleansed and allow him to see his family again.

01/28/2006 10:56 AM
So tell me!
How old does a thread have to before its consider not bump-able?

3 months.

i really like your thread but probally your a scorpion fan and am a sub zero fan i think they will both live fight in the futher games and one of them will die