dairou owns all

Actually, I hate to argue this point, but your wrong about the tournaments.

If there were a tournament - a professional, money-winning tournament, where people travelled from all over the world to compete in, free throws, glitch combos, and ifninate combos WOULD BE allowed.

The only things that would NOT be allowed are glitches that would cause the system/arcade cabinet to crash or reset.

In real tournaments, ALL is fair except system crashig, altering, or system modifying glitches. (i.e. - a button press code that allows faster movement, etc, etc)

So in essence, your wrong about that - But I will mention, if the winner of that tournament was known for abusing those glitches, and infinate combos, yes, he would win. He would win the title. He would win the money. He would go onto the next tournament. but he would NOT be respected for his talent.

I don't know WHY you said it wouldnt be allowed in a tournament, but shame on you. =-P

Go read the whole "Playing to Win" articles by Serlin. He also described the things that are, and are NOT allowed in tournaments, as well as a scrubs mentality.

Whoa, just read it and dang, Noob Smoke is a cheese fest! So many infinite starters into huge combos! I like using characters who can dish out damage (usually with a 50%+ combo can pull off easily) and this guy's got 50-80% combos all over the place!

You would be amazed at the shit that can be done with Noob-Smoke, man.

I'm just waiting for Konqrr to start capping, and I've got FOUR different 100+% combos with Noob-Smoke. DIFFERENT, as in completely different combos. *lol*

Amazing shit, eh?

Hey doom thanx for all this wonderfull explaination..

but i wonder..do u know anyone in this world who is good or lets say perfect in using ermac..coz i have been playing with him for 3 months and i couldnt
even do anythin at the fight..coz the teleslam is hard to catch in the middle of the fight..

and ermac doesnt have these short tricky combo like tanya..just one hit if u miss it u will be sent to hell by ur enemy..

so..plz if u know anyone iam waiting.. :)

thanx for the guide again..

Hey Noob.

Actually I DO know of a very good Ermac player, but he doesn't sign onto MKO very often. His XBOX LIVE name is "YouWillPerish". Post a thread in the XBOX forums and see if he will play you.

Another ok-good Ermac Player is also on the XBOX, named RedSaleen, He's alright.

I'm not sure, because its been a while since I played them using Ermac, but I think that 2-3 of my fellow Horsemen play with Ermac as well. You can try to PM them, their names on MKO are:

Aldagod
ALEXEI09
MasterMalone

I'm pretty sure that at LEAST one of them plays with Ermac, and if they play with him, they are bound to be very good with him, so its definately worth a shot.

Theres also a user on the PS2 who is very good with Ermac, I mean very good. I believe his PS2 and MKO name is "moe81". From what I understand, this guys Ermac is good.

Try them, man. Good luck.

Actually, I hate to argue this point, but your wrong about the tournaments.

If there were a tournament - a professional, money-winning tournament, where people travelled from all over the world to compete in, free throws, glitch combos, and ifninate combos WOULD BE allowed.

The only things that would NOT be allowed are glitches that would cause the system/arcade cabinet to crash or reset.

In real tournaments, ALL is fair except system crashig, altering, or system modifying glitches. (i.e. - a button press code that allows faster movement, etc, etc)

So in essence, your wrong about that - But I will mention, if the winner of that tournament was known for abusing those glitches, and infinate combos, yes, he would win. He would win the title. He would win the money. He would go onto the next tournament. but he would NOT be respected for his talent.

I don't know WHY you said it wouldnt be allowed in a tournament, but shame on you. =-P

Go read the whole "Playing to Win" articles by Serlin. He also described the things that are, and are NOT allowed in tournaments, as well as a scrubs mentality.

LMAO.Sorry,man,but you have absolutely no idea how real fighting games are played competitively.All the infinite combos would be banned because they are EASY to do.Games like Tekken and MvC2 allow infinite combos because they are either very situational,require precise timing,or only work in certain arenas.In MK:D,you got characters who can infinite you from an UNBREAKABLE throw repeating the same two patterns.You do realize that every idiot with half a brain can do this?Real tournaments are played so the best and most professional,as you said,get it on,not where scrubs abuse easy-ass infinite combos thinking they're good.MK:D is shit to begin with,you know that,right?There are fighting games that don't just revlove around 50/50 mix ups and infinite combos.Yes,play Tekken 5 or Virtua Fighter and see for yourself.

Also,if there were ever to be a real tournament for MK:D,BRC,N/S,and Dairou would all be banned due to their dominance over the rest of the cast.A competitive based fighting game shouldn't come down to 3 characters ONLY.Again,play Tekken 5 or Virtua Fighter.

I know that Sirlin's article is new to you because TruKing linked you to it,but it's not new to everyone.I read that article 4-5 years ago.

Believe it or not, I read those articles way back when this whole thing was still mk5.org. Just because I never posted doesn't mean that I had never read anything. :)

The thing is, why do you think that the top three God tiers would be banned? Yes, they ARE gods, however, I truly do disagree with the fact that they would BAN three seperate characters, man.

Serlin isn't the only one who wrote articles on the subject, but he is by far the most widely recognized author of such articles.

Seriously, all the tactics used here are downright cheap. It angers me when fighting games are broken.

Okay, for his yin, here's a yang -

Awesome guide, Doom! Thanks for taking the time to throw it all together. I'm printing out this and the Shu guide in the hopes of eventually, um, not sucking so much.

So... got time to create guides for, oh, say 22 other characters?

Peace

The thing is, why do you think that the top three God tiers would be banned? Yes, they ARE gods, however, I truly do disagree with the fact that they would BAN three seperate characters, man.

It's mostly up to the community.But see it this way,if you ban Dairou and N/S,BRC will win for sure.If you ban Dairou and BRC,N/S will win for sure,etc.Thus,we need to ban all three of them.You see,the whole point is to create a balanced environment so that every character can win.With BRC,N/S,and Dairou nothing is balanced because they have lots of advantages over the rest of the cast (especially BRC Vs. some characters).

That's why MK:D is not taked seriously.It's way too broken,and some people don't even consider it a legitimate fighting game...lol.Compare it to Tekken 5.Tekken 5 hasn't even been out that long but there have been tons of tournaments for it already.People fight for money.Challenges are issued for as much as $500+ just for a fucking video game.It's crazy.

what about characters with infinites?

Like I said,infinites should already be banned because my 10 year old brother can do most of them if I show him how to.

The problem lies with the fact that N/S,Dairou,and especially BRC are too good even without any infinite combos.N/S has great 50/50 mix ups;he can also rush and turtle.Dairou has godly distance game and up close he's still dangerous (d+1 in Escrima/Weapon Stance buffer TS Drop).BRC is a complete joke of a character;f+3 hits from 1/3 a screen and gives him great mix ups.He can turtle well too.His Puke Puddle is unblockable.These guys - BANNED.ALL of them...

If, perhaps, there was a tourney soon...nationally...it would indeed ban infinite combos and glitch combos. But, there would be no such ban on characters like Bo, N-S, or Dairou or on free throws.

I have just recently discovered this website... all this noobsmoke talk is making me sick.. these infinite combos are the demise of this game... i have over 3500 wins and i am proud to say that i have never once done any of these infinite combos.. its cheating..

Chump players who cant do a 3 button combo adopt these combos and think they're good if they win a couple matches.. what a joke.... Nothing gives me more pleasure then beating one of these players and occationally forcing a quit... oh, the satisfaction..

Im not saying im good.. alot you good players beat me, but i can hang with alot of them... i can take BobbyBlaze for a couple of games here and there... I refuse to cheat...

Instead of using these ridiculously cheap combos, learn how to win with out that crap...

Oh ya, one more thing... Darious is the worst charecter in history.. who ever came up with him should be shot..

the sidestep to get a free throw thing doesn't work on my system. i'm so angry. i bought this a week ago and i tried the thigh breaker and attempted to sidestep throw but the computer could crouch under it. i hate the max cpu!! ok i don't since its the only half decent player in a 100km radius who could play. oh and the axe kick for smoke can be spammed. Just like axe kick them and follow them during the skid and axe kick then where you think smoke foot/boot whatever will connect with their scalp. and they'll skid some more. this can be blocked after like 4 axe kicks or so because they skid pretty far. its good for a corner manouevre. and you can smokeycut them before they can get up and since its not exactly a combo that the system recognizes, the consecutive axe kicks and smokeycuts do full damage. Another thing i find funny is if you throw out dark assassin when you're in close and the opponent blocks it. you can smoke cloud and use deadly shadows to punch them into it. however the maximum distance is like sweep(around 2 steps) maybe.

konqrr and doomsday make awesome combos. i just use my crappy dodge and stick moves and a huge combo only once every two matches

this thread needs to be stickied too

Duane, don't sweat it man, eventually people will find this thread on their own.

N/S have one problem. all their moves are linear in exception of whirling demon sweep. this means they can be sidestep countered. and i played as noob versus max computer noob and i managed to kick noob as he disappeared and tripped over smoke as he arrived from deadly shadows winning the match. and i was like. friggin' fluke.

Doom, you're Alda? I didn't know that....
Anyway, I appreciate you doing a guide on Noob-Smoke... they're my favorite character and I got hooked on them the same as you. I got intimidated while playing them, so I figured I'd give'em a shot and as soon as I did I practiced and practiced.

If you're on at all in the future you'll probably see me on as STORMS. Hell, my user name is describing Noob-Smoke. Oh yeah, NS-DUO!!!

No STORMS, I'm not Aldagod. We are both in the same klan, thats all.

Sweet guide Doom,indeed,i like to use n/s as well believe it or not a little bit,and i have taken some of those combos and strategies into massive consideration.I really had no clue how effective pokes really are in this game before playing you malone and alexei.I use them now with daioru and n/s and i must admit that they work really well.Although some people may feel that some of that stuff is wrong in a cheesy way,i don't.I might have at one point with the poke,grab,poke,grab,in the corner,but i have realized that sometimes its necessary to use those tactics against advanced level players.I respect the fact that you took the time to post that killer guide of yours Doom.Putting our differences we might have had in the past aside,i have no problem with anyone on here or on the xbox forums,except one person who won't let go of a few losses to me recently,i don't have to say Doom,i'm sure you already know.

I would create an Ermac guide because myself as well as you will perish have the two best Ermacs online,i feel,i improved a hell of a lot with Ermac,and i'm not too bad with Dairou either,but anyways,great guide.I'm sure that a lot of n/s fans will get results from it.I also respect the fact that you not only did you take the time,but revealed a lot of your secrets as well.I'm not sure if i could do that,does that make me such a bad person LOL.I hope not.Well good job!!!!!

Yeah man, I would LOVE to see the Ermac guide. I always was curious as to how to play with him, so if you ever do post it, post it in two places - Its OWN thread, like this one, and in the thread at the top that ~Crow~ gave us all for strat guides specifically.

Looking forward to it man.

I'll try to man,thats a lot of pages to post about Ermac then LOL ,i have the same passion for Ermac like you do for n/s or noob or smoke,?????I'm not sure which one you like??I think smoke right???????Because you used to have the MK3/UMK3 Smoke icon on your profile.BTW Doom i played you a month or two ago on The ME 262,i don't know if you remember,but it was fun,we had a tie score at 2-2 then my friend was being annoying and we went to Halo 2,but he lives down the block from me now so sometimes i play people on the MK forums on his account and mine.The second time i faced you i actually beat you twice unlike the first time.But your n/s is hard as hell,so i had to go to Dairou and Ermac.Do you remember??????They were great matches,even though it was four.My fault the next time i see you on i want to play you again if you don't mind.Sound good????Truce for good man???I'll think about the ermac guide.I never made a guide before other than in my head,so i don't know if i can make it as well and as professional as you.