Spear_Of_])eath Wrote: ^^^^^^^^^^"Reptile: Now that he's no longer a palatte swap, we can keep him in the game. Reptile has always been the legend behind the series, and unlike Scorpion, I don't think he's over-stayed his visit... yet." You sir, are a fucking moron. You say that Scorpion over-stayed his visit? I hope you noticed that Sub-Zero has been in EVERY MK GAME EVER! Now Who overstayed their vist jackass. And you know as well as I do you're a Scorpion basher. You're a bigger moron than brendan.

A fucking moron, eh? You seem pretty insecure and unintelligent, so I won't go too hard on you.

First of all, it really doesn't matter how many games Subzero has been in, because almost every time he has brought something knew to the series. I labeled him the definitive character because of his lasting presence and since he's helped keep the series fresh, he's been implemented in each game.

Scorpion is the same shit every time. What the hell has changed about him since the old days? Nothing spectacular, nothing special. He's the same spear and skull, and I'm tired of it. Notice how like Subzero, Reptile also managed to keep a fresh appearance and gameplay style, and no matter what happens, Reptile will always be revered as the one of the most badass hidden characters ever.

So why has Scorpion overstayed his visit? Because he's still trite, he's still boring, and he's still the same. He probably always will be. And if opinions offend you so badly, then allow me to reiterate the question: Why the hell are you at this site?

and ofcourse i was talking about the older sub-zero

they aren't the same person, that should be obvious to any mk fan. why dont u go check ur info, buddy!

TemperaryUserName Wrote: Spear_Of_])eath Wrote: A fucking moron, eh? You seem pretty insecure and unintelligent, so I won't go too hard on you. First of all, it really doesn't matter how many games Subzero has been in, because almost every time he has brought something knew to the series. I labeled him the definitive character because of his lasting presence and since he's helped keep the series fresh, he's been implemented in each game. Scorpion is the same shit every time. What the hell has changed about him since the old days? Nothing spectacular, nothing special. He's the same spear and skull, and I'm tired of it. Notice how like Subzero, Reptile also managed to keep a fresh appearance and gameplay style, and no matter what happens, Reptile will always be revered as the one of the most badass hidden characters ever. So why has Scorpion overstayed his visit? Because he's still trite, he's still boring, and he's still the same. He probably always will be. And if opinions offend you so badly, then allow me to reiterate the question: Why the hell are you at this site?

You do realise that taking scorpion from the MK series is like removing Bart from the simpsons (yes a little immature for a show but to illustrate he is a good analogy).

Sub Zero and Scorpion are two most liked characters in the entire of mk granted that point is moot but be serious.

Scorpion is one of the staple characters there is about five of them. Kitana, Scoprion, Reptile, Sub zero and Sonya. Granted a few others could be substitued but in all most all MK games it's one of these characters making a return (granted there are more) that will attract attention. Scorpion IMHO had the best new look in this version.

Two Cyborg ninjas would perfect. Cyrax is kind of annoying and unless your a devout fan of his you won't like him in DA which is understandable. Sektor was and is a better character for a storyline than Cyrax. And even if somke did make a return as a human he could be given an alternate costum to make him cybernetic. It's all how the MK dev team decides to spin the game.

Get one thing straight as long as a MAJORITY like a character like scorpion he is here to stay. You don't have to like it bu you do have to live with it if you cant then fuck off.

Dude there is no point in arguing with a loser who doesn't know jack shit about MK.

The fact that you implied that Scorpion is "boring" and Sub-Zero has brought something new and fresh to every game has further proved my point.

And Scorpion's moves have always dominated Sub-Zero's.

And Scorpion has always been the most badass and popular character in MK.

I mean look at this poll.

http://mkwarriors.net/characters/poll/index.php?action=view

Scorpion beats everyone by a landslide.

Ok, Temp (Mind if I call you that?) I see your point about Scorpion become the same usual thing. But, the look works for him. Hell, a little twist in his storyline could make a whole new aspect to him. And how has SZ appeared everytime with a new appearence (not to be rude )? He almost always had the ninja look.

As you stated TemporaryUserName, Smoke does have a lot of potential IMHO (haha, now you can't flame me ). Smoke was one of the best character to me. He has tried to kill SZ and then helped him. All he needs is a little help himself.

And who would put Cyrax as a Special Forces agent? IMO that was bullshit. Hopefully he'll turn on them and cause chaos.

And for the new twist in Scorpion's Storyline, maybe someone else could attack him (Moloch and Drahmin didn't give a shit, Quan Chi (or Shang?) hired them to kill him). Like someone from the past like in his human life or some bounty hunter from heaven. That could change a shitload of his story. SZ had Scorpion and Quan Chi on him in the past, now he is fighting off Quan again, The Red Dragon clan and Sektor's army.

So why can't Scorpion have some heavy duty to haul?

Spear_Of_])eath Wrote: Dude there is no point in arguing with a loser who doesn't know jack shit about MK. The fact that you implied that Scorpion is "boring" and Sub-Zero has brought something new and fresh to every game has further proved my point. And Scorpion's moves have always dominated Sub-Zero's. And Scorpion has always been the most badass and popular character in MK. I mean look at this poll. http://mkwarriors.net/characters/poll/index.php?action=view Scorpion beats everyone by a landslide.

You basically just OWNED yourself with that link buddy. You said yourself just now "say old sub-zero, dont matter". Not quote on quote, but that IS what you said. So if you'd look at that poll you'd see that both Sub-Zero votes if added up EQUAL Scorpion's(22%). You my friend..have been owned.

Scorpion is an ok character, but he's boring and he never offered anything new to the table. His storyline is always the same. Kill him he killed me. Kill him he killed my family. GO back to netehrealm..wrong person? kill him too.

The fact that Scorpion's move set has been the same in pretty much every game does not help the situation very much at all. The spear is one of the coolest moves ever, but it's simply overshadowed by moves like the ice shower,ice clone,ice shaker,etc in terms of coolness to me. The teleport is ok, but come on..it's not cooler than any of Sub's moves to me.

I don't agree with Scorpion not returning. It just wouldn't feel right without him, but still, it wouldn't be right without Sub-Zero either.

Honestly, you've got to be THE biggest Scorpion fanboy of all time. The conversations we've had on AIM has proved this time and time again, and your rambling here just takes it to the next level.

BlindSite Wrote: You do realise that taking scorpion from the MK series is like removing Bart from the simpsons (yes a little immature for a show but to illustrate he is a good analogy). Sub Zero and Scorpion are two most liked characters in the entire of mk granted that point is moot but be serious. Scorpion is one of the staple characters there is about five of them. Kitana, Scoprion, Reptile, Sub zero and Sonya. Granted a few others could be substitued but in all most all MK games it's one of these characters making a return (granted there are more) that will attract attention. Scorpion IMHO had the best new look in this version. Two Cyborg ninjas would perfect. Cyrax is kind of annoying and unless your a devout fan of his you won't like him in DA which is understandable. Sektor was and is a better character for a storyline than Cyrax. And even if somke did make a return as a human he could be given an alternate costum to make him cybernetic. It's all how the MK dev team decides to spin the game. Get one thing straight as long as a MAJORITY like a character like scorpion he is here to stay. You don't have to like it bu you do have to live with it if you cant then fuck off.

You're right, Scorpion is probably going to be around for a long time. But he's not the heart and soul of MK. He's simply well-liked by both the fans and the creators, and therefore he'll probably be in the game. But that's no excuse not upgrade his character. What was adequate in MK1 is far outdated now. Maybe I was a bit brash to say he's was EXACTlY the same because he does have combo's and some juggling tactics now. But beyond that, he's badly rusted.

ImmortalSpectre Wrote: Ok, Temp (Mind if I call you that?) I see your point about Scorpion become the same usual thing. But, the look works for him. Hell, a little twist in his storyline could make a whole new aspect to him. And how has SZ appeared everytime with a new appearence (not to be rude )? He almost always had the ninja look. As you stated TemporaryUserName, Smoke does have a lot of potential IMHO (haha, now you can't flame me ). Smoke was one of the best character to me. He has tried to kill SZ and then helped him. All he needs is a little help himself. And who would put Cyrax as a Special Forces agent? IMO that was bullshit. Hopefully he'll turn on them and cause chaos. And for the new twist in Scorpion's Storyline, maybe someone else could attack him (Moloch and Drahmin didn't give a shit, Quan Chi (or Shang?) hired them to kill him). Like someone from the past like in his human life or some bounty hunter from heaven. That could change a shitload of his story. SZ had Scorpion and Quan Chi on him in the past, now he is fighting off Quan again, The Red Dragon clan and Sektor's army. So why can't Scorpion have some heavy duty to haul?

First of all, it's cool if you call me Temp.

And an overhaul for Scorpion would justify his presence in the game, but I think Boon would be a bit reluctant to do so because he'd be afraid of breaking his tried-and-true design. I think the biggest problem with MK is that it's so difficult for the game to change, and when it finally does people still aren't satisfied. Boon really can't win no matter what happens.

But Subzero survived it, I guess. Usually he'd just have a new move, such as ground freeze or ice clone, but in MK3 he's hardly recognizable. I didn't think the look was that great, but I learned to appreciate it. MK4 was the only game he didn't break new ground in, but pretty much everything was rehashed in MK4 except the graphics.

Really, I was always satisfied with the plot twist of Scorpion protecting the younger Subzero to amend himself. I always found that pretty cool. Why they did away with it, I'll never know. I also liked the ties between Smoke and Subzero, and I think most fans did as well. As always, some obscure reason prevents the creators from elabortating on these things.

And reguarding the Cyrax and Sektor, it doesn't matter to me which one is in the game, as long as there is just ONE.

Versatile wrote:
"You basically just OWNED yourself with that link buddy. You said yourself just now "say old sub-zero, dont matter". Not quote on quote, but that IS what you said. So if you'd look at that poll you'd see that both Sub-Zero votes if added up EQUAL Scorpion's(22%). You my friend..have been owned."

And the biggest idiot of all has just entered and I think he needs a math class or 2.

Lets add up the number of voters between Scorpion and the two Sub-Zero's.
Scorpion - 2741 Votes
Sub #1 1180 Votes
Sub #2 1509 Votes

Add the 2 sub's together and you get 2689 votes which is inferior to Scorpion's 2741 votes by 52 votes.

Therefore your stupidity has emerged and in your very words, you have been OWNED!!!! BITCH!!!

yea, but ur still the guy that thinks the mk1 sub and the mk2-mkda sub are the same person

Don't fucking put words in my mouth asshole!

I never said they were the same fucking person!

I said that it still counts as Sub-Zero being in every game!

It's a pity that some people try to get entire threads closed just because they have to disagree with everyone.

Brendan, the problem with your list is that it would complete alienate and distort the entire MK storyline. Plus, those characters don't seem to be very popular.

TemperaryUserName's list kind of hits a snag at Li Mei onward. Li Mei, Kabal, Kintaro and Fujin are characters whom I feel are better left forgotten. It's certainly true that Kabal was an outstanding and unique character design, but Midway has already kind of burned their bridges with him by killing him off in the fifth game.

So, without further ado, my own list:

Sub-Zero: Sub-Zero is indeed a fixture in the MK games, and is, to this day, the only character not to miss a single game (not including the Mythologies adventure games- Sub-Zero, which he starred in, and Special Forces, from which he was absent). His storyline has changed with each game, and always kept fresh.

Scorpion: No one was particularly happy when Scorpion was mysteriously absent from Mortal Kombat 3. Although I agree that his character is a bit stale, it's best to keep him in until there is a reason to do otherwise. He's kind of like Mortal Kombat's mascot.

Kung Lao: Mortal Kombat needs it's benevolent hero, and with that sap Liu dead, the much more interesting Kung Lao has graciously stepped up.

Kitana: I agree that the game would seem awkward without her in it, and no one was happy with her absence from Mortal Kombat 3 or 4, either. She's a great character design, now all she needs is a new storyline to invigorate her.

Mileena: While we're on Simpsons metaphors, having Kitana without Mileena is akin to having Lenny without Carl. Does anyone disagree with me that Mileena could have handled Li Mei's mantle of sai-wielding chick in purple much better in Deadly Alliance?

Mavado: Mavado is the single most boring character in Mortal Kombat history. Ever. But, alas, his Deadly Alliance storyline has him surviving to rally against the Lin Kuei, so, I suppose, we can keep him around for a bit.

Sonya Blade: Because, simply, Sonya kicks ass. And always will.

Kenshi: In my mind, the only innovative new character from M.K.: D.A. to make a real impact. Spectacular character, deep past, limitless potential.

Drahmin: Another unique character. Perhaps to return in his human form after falling into Quan Chi's inner sanctum.

Raiden: He needs a decent storyline, though.

Sektor: He's been demoted to a hidden character alot lately, and poor guy, it's not fair. The only robot who's actually kept their cold lack of emotion.

Sindel: Still constantly mentioned in Kitana's bios, yet little seen. She had a concept sketch in the M.K.: D.A. Krypt, so she's obviously still in consideration. I.M.O., the coolest new character introduced in M.K. 3.

Johnny Cage, Jax and Kano have overstayed their welcome, and I dunno about bringing Baraka back.. but hey, that's just my opinion.

Quack-Wabbit Wrote: TemperaryUserName's list kind of hits a snag at Li Mei onward.

lol, I was waiting for someone to say that. but I do kinda see what you mean with Kintaro. I don't know what the hell I was thinking when I wrote that. I'll edit that in a minute.

My list is more focused giving other characters their due while keeping the main storyline intact. And I'm sure there's a way they can bring back kabal without sounding cheesy. They did it with Kung Lao and Cage(don't get me wrong, though. Reviving characters isn't always a good thing to do storywise). As for Li Mei, she just struck me as cool. I played well with her also. Fujin could use a new costume, but other than that I thought having another elder god present helped the story.

Good list, by the way. The only ones I'm not too crazy about are Drahmin and Mavado, although I understand why they'd bring Mavado back due to the conflict with Lin Keui conflict.

Spear_Of_])eath Wrote: Versatile wrote: "You basically just OWNED yourself with that link buddy. You said yourself just now "say old sub-zero, dont matter". Not quote on quote, but that IS what you said. So if you'd look at that poll you'd see that both Sub-Zero votes if added up EQUAL Scorpion's(22%). You my friend..have been owned." And the biggest idiot of all has just entered and I think he needs a math class or 2. Lets add up the number of voters between Scorpion and the two Sub-Zero's. Scorpion - 2741 Votes Sub #1 1180 Votes Sub #2 1509 Votes Add the 2 sub's together and you get 2689 votes which is inferior to Scorpion's 2741 votes by 52 votes. Therefore your stupidity has emerged and in your very words, you have been OWNED!!!! BITCH!!!

Didn't I say PERCENTAGE WISE you fanboy? 22%-22%. I said nothing about numbers. I know Scorpion one that poll, but you said he beat everyone a landslide. Im just putting you in check. Perhaps i don't need a math class. It's just you who needs a class in anger management.

Versatile Wrote: Didn't I say PERCENTAGE WISE you fanboy? 22%-22%. I said nothing about numbers. I know Scorpion one that poll, but you said he beat everyone a landslide. Im just putting you in check. Perhaps i don't need a math class. It's just you who needs a class in anger management.

I don't blame you for wanting argue with Spear_Of_Death, but it's a lost cause. He won't listen, because he's way too insecure to discuss MK with any rational human being. I seriously doubt anyone will get through to him. If he wants to continue burning bridges, let him make a fool out of himself. Perhaps that is the only way he'll learn.

A sub-zero has been in every mk game


but the sub-zero in question wasn't in MK1

there's no way u can act like its him when every bit of info goes otherwise

the two brothers are very different and have different storylines

Yeah, arguing with Scorpion fanboys is like 69ing a midget.

Versatile Wrote: Yeah, arguing with Scorpion fanboys is like 69ing a midget.

lol.

Something as simple as a "who do you think would be nice to see in MK6" thread should not have this sort of content. Either learn to accept that other people's opinions may differ from your own, or don't reply to them at all. There is little need to flame other users just because they happen to have a different view than you do on a certain subjust.

Any of you that received a large number of skulls here, let this be your warning, don't do this again.

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