Think before you post, please (color swaps, design) And what is the reasonable number of arenas?
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Think before you post, please (color swaps, design) And what is the reasonable number of arenas?
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posted09/06/2004 10:35 PM (UTC)byAbout Me
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John is no longer on Midway and there are still color swaps.
Stop with blind guesses and assumptions.
None of you work at Midway nor saw the entire dev process of any videogame in history. Don't accuse anybody of anything because you never know.
Stop holding John responsible for xxxx or Ed Boon for xxxxx. Nobody on a 50+ person team decides how each and every little thing works.
John Tobias didn't dictate every single thing at his time at Midway. Stop saying "Oh ya its good hes gone because now xxxx is in." as if John overpowered Ed into not implementing it. Stop saying "It's good John left bcause now we have original designs" - As if John tried every single thing he could into not having it be in there.
John Tobias wasn't the only artist to work on MK 2-4.
As far as color swaps go : Why not blame Dave Michicich or Steve Beran or Tony Goskie or John Vogel? Ohhhh no.. John left Midway (although people refer to John more, even though Josh Tsui, Dave Michicich AND Richard Ho also left Midway.) Please pay more attention.
Everyone makes mistakes and John did the best anyone could at Midway.
And how many arenas would you guys like to see? How many would you want at the start and how many to be unlocked? Should all the arenas have death traps? In MK:DA it would've been nicer to have more unlockable arenas.
Edit : Thanks, Forevergrey.
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My main point is : Make sure you know the FACTS before you slander or accuse someone.
Hell, M4C asked Ed Boon at the gamers day convention thing about Noob-Smoke being an attempt to clean out John Tobias from the game.. And ya know what? Ed just laughed and said he actually had lunch with John the other day.
Hell, M4C asked Ed Boon at the gamers day convention thing about Noob-Smoke being an attempt to clean out John Tobias from the game.. And ya know what? Ed just laughed and said he actually had lunch with John the other day.
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you need to calm down don't use such big fonts and stop swearing and you shold think b4 you post cuz this has nothing to do with deception someone close this thread even though i agree with you
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OK... I do agree with more or less everything you said, but I want you to consider this - If you're trying to calm people down and prevent flaming/arguments, using phrases like "For fucks sake" or "Get a fucking grip on reality" doesn't help the situation. All it will do is piss people off more and cause more arguing.
There's a right way to go about these sorts of things, and that definately wasn't it. I'm not flaming you or anything (if I'm coming across as hostile I'm not meaning to), just something to think about...
There's a right way to go about these sorts of things, and that definately wasn't it. I'm not flaming you or anything (if I'm coming across as hostile I'm not meaning to), just something to think about...
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Perhaps you should know that the original team was not 50 people like it is today, but instead only 4 people. Those people were Boon (programming), Tobias (character design), Vogel (background design) and towards the end Forden (music and sound). Tobias was 100% responsible for the color swapped Sub-Zero and Scorpion. It was his idea to have two characters that were the same, only color differences to save memory. If you don't believe me, or anyone else who says so, there is a nice little program on G4TechTV called Icons, which had MK as its subject last week. All of this came right from Vogel's and Tobias's mouth. Kindof hard to argue that, ain't it?
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| zexisstryfe Wrote: Perhaps you should know that the original team was not 50 people like it is today, but instead only 4 people. Those people were Boon (programming), Tobias (character design), Vogel (background design) and towards the end Forden (music and sound). Tobias was 100% responsible for the color swapped Sub-Zero and Scorpion. It was his idea to have two characters that were the same, only color differences to save memory. If you don't believe me, or anyone else who says so, there is a nice little program on G4TechTV called Icons, which had MK as its subject last week. All of this came right from Vogel's and Tobias's mouth. Kindof hard to argue that, ain't it? |
I know - and that isn't exaclty the angle I was going at. I saw the show too. Ed Boon was the one who talked about saving memory - Not John. What I meant was, I'm very sure that Rain/Ermac/Reptile etc. weren't color swaps to take an easy way out.. They were color swaps to save memory. Even in MK4 they had to cut corners and take shortcuts for the game. MK:DA/MK:D doesn't have to worry about that as the hardware can support plenty of goodies. If MK were still in the arcades I'm very sure that all the ninjas/cyborgs would all still look similiar.
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