Ummm dude, Kintaro DESTROYS Goro and Onaga. He also kills Blaze and Moloch easily. 1,4,L1 is a free grab with his Tiger Fist. 1 in his weapon hits mid and is a free grab. Now if your opponent starts blocking high then D,F,1 takes care of that or just simply grabbing them.

Here's how it is:

Kintaro > Moloch, Onaga, Blaze badly

KAKs > Kintaro

Moloch, Blaze > KAKs (Onaga sucks vs. them) Kintaro is much higher tier than Goro because of his ability to beat the shit out of M.O.B. Goro doesn't stand a chance against them.

Kintaro > Moloch and Blaze, huh? I'll give you Kintaro > Onaga.

Kintaro loses badly against Blaze and Moloch on a four star connection. The reason being is that his 1,4,L1 is punishable while Moloch's 1,1,U+3 and Blaze's 2,1 are NOT.

If you try 1,4,L1 on Blaze and the Blaze player blocks it, 2,1 is free into 2,1/ d+3/ d,d+2 / throw mix up.

If you try 1,4,L1 on Moloch and the Moloch player blocks it, 1,1,U+2 is free into 1,1,U+3/ U,D+3/ throw mix up.

That is all that needs to be said.

Blaze
Moloch
Onaga

Kintaro does get better vs the bosses, but he just gets better he doesnt beat them.

Goro vs any boss is a bad match for Goro.

so

MOB
Kintaro
Goro

Goro is good vs regular characters while KIntaro isnt as good.

haha dave still mad.

when i played sareena and drahmin were the best characters online. I doubt it's any different now unless the strategies/tactics you guys use now surpass what I was doing back when I played.

Scorpion and Dairou were probably number 3. After that you had people like kung lao,tanya,sub-zero,noob,quan,Bo Rai Cho etc. These guys beat everyone else, but may have had 1 or 2 tricky match ups OUTSIDE of the top 10, and had trouble vs the top 4 as well(could still win tho)

After that, everyone could beat everyone. Shinnok was better than Cage, but Cage would still win on a consistent basis. After the top 10 or 12, player matters a lot more than character. ex Mavado is a lot better than Cage, but there weren't any Mavado who could beat my Cage consistently.

Onaga kinda sucked actually. Kintaro rocked that fool. Blaze was number 1 and Moloch was number 2. KAKs were unbeatable if you gave them the right move set and put them in the hands of an elite player.

Shujinko sucks. Shang Tsung sucks. Frost is absolute trash if you know your way around her BS tricks(which most did not, hence my dominance with her). Sindel sucks too.

The sucky chars took some real work to even hang with middle tiers like Cage and Taven.

Oh yeah, Daegon sucks, but not as much as the others.

haha Lagreena

Motaro can hang with any of the top tier. except maybe sareena and scorp.

I can beat anyone with him...except a really good sareena.

I don't feel he is in mid low.

also chameleon is above sareena.

Motaro iight. I don't see how you can beat a lot of the top tier him tho. Unsafe as a mother fucker if I remember correct.

Yo dave why you mad?

i agree except for the Sindel comment, 33 makes sindel mid tier.you can say yea yea but thats an online thing. however she has a A/C that works offline easy it just extreamly hard to pull off online so the 33 makes up for it.

ill agree w/ the Deagon thing, his lack of being able to combo because his pop ups suck makes him harder to use.
the game is pretty much the same you'd still beat every one.

unsafe if you use the wrong moves. just train him to duck low and the match takes care of its self.

d3=9% 5 times is 45%. they duck low once...BAM

d3 has great reach too.

need i mention the mule kick?

Please. Motaro isn't that good. He cannot beat Dairou, Sareena, Scorpion, or anyone in the top 10 when used correctly online or off-line.

Mule Kick is not safe and neither is the mid, mid combo (2,2 I think).

sorry kintaro just plain sucks, if you wanna try, ill use my goro against anyones kintaro.

Meat really is not that bad, once you master his 50-50/free throw (1, 1, 1,) then he can be a beast, like if your do his branch combo then do 1 1 1 then throw, then you got around 48% damage right there. and since this is a online tier list, then I would say Motaro is about mid-mid, I think anyone can be good with any character if they try hard enough.

I'm surprised everyone thinks Goro is the worst boss. I actually say Kintaro, since he only has the stuff to beat Onaga. Goro's Ground Pound equals free grab and is rather spammable.

And Motaro is way too unsafe to go up against the top tiers effectively.

Meat, he'd be better if his mids were safer. Quite a few of his non-mids are safe (At least online they have been. Have yet to test offline).

As for the best, Sareena and Drahmin are the 2 best characters still, with Scorpion and Dairou competing for 3rd and 4th. Then you have the rest of the top tiers and after that, it's all muddled, except for Kai, who is still the worst character. Nothing's really changed much. Just a few new tricks here and there.

i dont see drahmin as second best . considering that i can parry after the first hit in 11cs even eazyer than ducking 11 to parry cs .

Is that a challenge Dave? Remember Kintaro is safe online because of, like everyone else said, lag. I don't need to do 1,4,L1 to get my free grab. I can just do 1 in weapon since it's safe depending on connection. Plus his D+3 in Tiger Fist is just like Tanya's D+4. I can spam it like a whore, hehe. So yeah if you're ever online let's have a few boss fights before I destroy your Dairou with Tanya, k champ.

something tells me dave could care less about anything westcoast.

oh wait, so do i.

right on, dave.

As do me and BONE about you dorks on east coast but we still play yall foos regardless.k

motaro 22 can be safe if followed by d3 again and the right connection.

motaro(like any other character) can be VERY effective in the right hands.

Ask DANCOCK about motaro vs his Mavado. He beat motaro last time but he still knows what i mean.

Gotta stick up for mo!

this is offline people not online.

^ This.

And stop the "this move is safe under these conditions" nonsense. It's ridiculous and laughable. If it's un-safe off-line, it is, in fact, un-safe. Otherwise, we'd have over 30 tier lists.

hmm, anyway, i proved that moloch was just the best boss lol.

2,2 is not safe, its safe for you because of the connection you have w/ most folks. guys like you and EZ wouldnt be able to follow a unsafe attack w/ the low offline, you'll be countered before you get the chance to poke.

hes not that great, hes good ill give you that but he doesnt have safe attacks. his mule kick move isnt safe, its just invincible while its being done. if blocked it can be countered. you happen to use it at the right moment, Very nice!!

I forgot this was for offline. In that case you are all right.

Most of his moves are unsafe. but the key hear is using the mule kick at the right time.

His bread and butter(d3) IS safe though.

No elite i know that but don't underestimate...

hey meso tell me when your on at night bro, lets have some kahn vs motaro matches =). plus i already challenged you on the teir list.

How about tonight? I'll be on like 12 am or 12:30 am eastern time.

We will do tier matches first...then we can do some just for fun.

first to 10 for the tier?