why's everyone so down on cyrax?
0
posted02/24/2003 09:48 PM (UTC)by
Avatar
antanca666
Avatar
Member Since
02/20/2003 10:29 PM (UTC)
i've heard a lot of people complain that getting good at cyrax is not really worth the trouble because you just end up realizing that he's not a very good character. i've also heard a lot of people talk about how much they like mavado and that he's got a lot of hidden potential. now, i like both of these characters, actually. i liked mavado at first, and then thought he wasn't all that great, and then realized what was good about him. cyrax took a little getting used to, but now i think he's actually pretty good. the thing i don't get is why more people seem to like mavado than cyrax, when cyrax actually has a more diverse range of attacks and combos than mavado. first of all, mavado's wing chun is almost useless. it's basically just a bunch of straight attacks with no launchers or stun moves of any kind. he doesn't even have a sweeping move in any of his 3 styles, something i generally consider pretty essential in a mortal kombat game. oh, and he's got crap for special moves. the only thing that really keeps mavado from being an outright shitty character is his weapons stance, which has some sweet moves, especially his 3 attack, which is one of the hardest weapon moves to effectively block in the whole game, since it hits low first and then high. cyrax on the other hand, has a pretty good range of attacks, including some launchers and quick low attacks, even a classic sweep in his weapon stance. granted he doesn't have many weapons combos, but neither does sub zero, and both of their weapons styles are rather effective in spite of it. cyrax also has probably one of the coolest and funniest special moves in the game, that being his slicing one, where the thing comes out of his chest. the first time i saw that i laughed. it's just a sweet move, and it's really nice to use after a launcher to catch someone on the way down. it's even one of the few special moves that actually work against moloch. i wouldn't do it when you're right in close to him, since he'll beat the piss out of you before it has a chance to retract into your chest, but if you're a little outside of sweep distance away, it will hurt him and he won't usually have time to get to you before it retracts, leaving you time to block or get away.

so basically, cyrax isn't my favorite character or anything, but i see a lot of cyrax bashing going on, alongside praising of characters like mavado and drahmin who don't actually have as much going for them. so i thought i should defend cyrax a little bit, because he's actually not bad at all.
Avatar
Ace21
Avatar
About Me

Ace21 is the man for me

02/23/2003 09:21 PM (UTC)
0
cuz he doesnt have his net move anymore
Avatar
Garlador
02/23/2003 09:32 PM (UTC)
0
But Shang Tsung can't morph, and Reptile can't turn invisible. So? I like Cyrax. I can use him quite easily, but his Konquest mode is the only one thus far that I can't get through. Oh well. Fatality.
Avatar
Redsoul
Avatar
About Me

Xbox Gamertag: redsoul
PSN Tag: ThaRedsoul

02/23/2003 09:37 PM (UTC)
0
i miss his net. I guess because he lost so many of the moves that made him popular.
Avatar
Aurorasaurus
02/23/2003 10:07 PM (UTC)
0
yeah , its like taking away scorpions spear or sub's iceball. the net was such a cool move and totally kicked ass.
Avatar
antanca666
02/23/2003 10:13 PM (UTC)
0
i don't know if the net is really analogous to sub zero's iceball or scorpion's spear, because those moves define who the character is. like you couldn't have a character named sub zero if he didn't freeze stuff. but cyrax's deal is that he's a cyber ninja. i think the abilities he has in mkda are more consistent with him being mechanical in nature, namely that he slices stuff up and has little bombs that he drops out. the net was alright, but i would rather have a gigantic arm with a spinning sawblade on it than a stupid net, personally.
Avatar
CyraxFan4Life86
02/23/2003 11:16 PM (UTC)
0
Cyrax is the shit.
Avatar
Aurorasaurus
02/23/2003 11:28 PM (UTC)
0

antanca666 Wrote:
i don't know if the net is really analogous to sub zero's iceball or scorpion's spear, because those moves define who the character is. like you couldn't have a character named sub zero if he didn't freeze stuff. but cyrax's deal is that he's a cyber ninja. i think the abilities he has in mkda are more consistent with him being mechanical in nature, namely that he slices stuff up and has little bombs that he drops out. the net was alright, but i would rather have a gigantic arm with a spinning sawblade on it than a stupid net, personally.


if cyrax didnt have his net in mk3, i can assure you that a lot of mk3 vets wouldn't have been picking him cuz he was a mechanical ninja. the net made him who he was, people didnt care what he looked like or cuz he leaked oil, the net was da shit in mk3.
Avatar
SalvidonBlak
Avatar
About Me

'Son i've made a living, out of reading people's faces...
knowing what their cards said, by the way they held their eyes...

02/23/2003 11:36 PM (UTC)
0

antanca666 Wrote:
i've also heard a lot of people talk about how much they like mavado and that he's got a lot of hidden potential. now, i like both of these characters, actually. i liked mavado at first, and then thought he wasn't all that great, and then realized what was good about him. cyrax took a little getting used to, but now i think he's actually pretty good. the thing i don't get is why more people seem to like mavado than cyrax, when cyrax actually has a more diverse range of attacks and combos than mavado. first of all, mavado's wing chun is almost useless. it's basically just a bunch of straight attacks with no launchers or stun moves of any kind. he doesn't even have a sweeping move in any of his 3 styles, something i generally consider pretty essential in a mortal kombat game. oh, and he's got crap for special moves. the only thing that really keeps mavado from being an outright shitty character is his weapons stance, which has some sweet moves, especially his 3 attack, which is one of the hardest weapon moves to effectively block in the whole game, since it hits low first and then high


i have to say i havn't used cyrax much, but i was dissapointed with the impotency of his bombs, sidestepping totally takes away their edge.
i think he is most likley a great character, as i have found out for everyone else i have used.

in deffence of movado however, i have to say this...
long fist is awsome. the 1,1,1,b+2 launcher is nice.
i like to do 1,1,1,b+2,b+2,5,5,and b+3 with hookswords. the last hit won't always catch, but is nice when it does.
b+1 is an ankle punch that is blocked low, and makes for a decent change up, it has kind of a long recoil delay tho.

in hooksword stance...
i found the 3 attack to be exellent.
a double horizontal swing with both swords.
first swing is a close low sweep.
second is a high slash with more reach than the first.
if the low sweep is blocked, then you can duck and counter the second swing, or block the first low and standing block the second, then counter.
however, if you are out of range of the sweep, the attack only hits high, and must be blocked accordingly. this attack also is usable with the backdash cancel, allowing you to execute this sneaky attack and then withdraw to safty, instantly.
the special move in hooksword stance is a sidestepping sweep, which knocks your opponent down.

i found his side change move (d,u,2) was actually a useful move.

at first i thought it was just an exagerrated sidestep, but as the name says, it is a side change.
when used with the hookswords, i was able to confuse my opponents by doing d,u,2 and i came out of the side change with either his special button to knock them down, or the 3 attack.
if you hit them with the 3 you can either follow up with f,4 and slam them to the other end of the arena, or you can hit them 3,b,b and as they recover 2,4,4,b+3

his second stance had good string combos, but i haven't worked too much with it.
d+4 does a superfast sweep which wont knock your opponent down, but you can b,b dash right out of it.
the same for his much better low attack, d+2 wil do a low hitting crawling punch that you can backdash out of.

ps. this and more can be found in the MKDA high level gameplay thread, stuck at the top of page 2 in this forum topic.
Avatar
Leno_mk
Avatar
About Me


Join the Mortal Kombat Odyssey http://mkodyssey.net/

02/24/2003 12:59 AM (UTC)
0

garlador Wrote:
But Shang Tsung can't morph, and Reptile can't turn invisible. So? I like Cyrax.


That is a good point you've got in there... I think the main problem with most of the ppl is that they don't actually like the characters themselves but their moves. And that is absolutely wrong from my point of view. It seems that the cheaper the moves a character has, the more some ppl would like him/her. And that if some character has a change in those moves, then ppl won't like them anymore...

Well I don't see it that way. I like ALOT the cyborgs stuff. And Cyrax is among my FAV. in MK:DA. Although his net was very cool and really don't care that much he lost it in MK:DA.

Another thing about Cyrax in MK:DA is that he is hard to master. So I think most of the ppl just give up...
Avatar
BlackPanther
02/24/2003 01:05 AM (UTC)
0
I quite like Cyrax. Some of his combos and moves are cool. If you master all of his moves, combos, you can do very well with him and will enjoy using him. He has some moves that are very good to catch people out who don't block as well as they should, such as that twirling blade that comes out of his chest and such.
Avatar
RobotSmoke
02/24/2003 02:34 AM (UTC)
0
cyrax is cool why woulld anybody be down on him, and hi leno i didnt know you were on these forums two, in case your wondering im nightwolf on trmk.org
Avatar
devilgene
Avatar
About Me
  • I never miss.
02/24/2003 09:30 PM (UTC)
0

BlackPanther Wrote:
such as that twirling blade that comes out of his chest and such.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
the only useful special move he has now is the spin kicks juggle ender...the slicer/dicer can be blocked easily and scorpy can get a spear and 30%+ combo if you're fast enough! grin the only real use for it is when the opponent is kd close to you and as they are standing you pop it out...
some peeps think his detonator is good for a 'mix-up' of sorts, but there is too much lag for this move to be useful...if cyrax could throw out a detonator, and then immediately do some other attack, his mix-up game would really take off because you would have a multidimensional threat: the bomb plus whatever attack you choose and there is your high/low.
PEACE OUT bro!
Avatar
flame-king-scorpion
Avatar
About Me

-your soul is mine

02/24/2003 09:48 PM (UTC)
0
basicallybecause he is rubbish without his net move and he is crap compared to most of the other charicter except quan chi damn i hate him the lousy good for nothing cheapskate bum
Pages: 1
Download on the App StoreGet it on Google Play
© 1998-2024 Shadow Knight Media, LLC. All rights reserved. Read our Privacy Policy.
Mortal Kombat, the dragon logo and all character names are trademarks and copyright of Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.