Aaaarrrrrrrrgh! This Atkins thing us utter bullocks!!!

If people want to loose weight, lets say shave off about 50-60 lbs and KEEP it off., then they have to change their eating habits and start to devise a routine that allows them to be active enought where they are healthier. Basically, people have to change their overall lifestyle! They have to cut down on the cheeseburgers and fries and start eating healthier. It doesn't mean that people have to switch to sprouts, but eat more sadads, fruits and less at a given sitting.

You have to realize that your friend's new active lifestyle is what's keeping his weight in control, not some fad diet. Plus, with some people with heart conditions, Atkins is potentialy dangerous. Okay, they do the low carb thing, but slack off on the exercise, then what? The weight goes back up.

As long as people change their lifestyles and get with a routine, then they'll greatly reduse occurances of heart disease, diabetes and other preventable health problems. It's especially helpfull for people who have a history of such problem within their family. My family has a history of diabetes and I'm exercising, eating healthy and not indulding too much on the fatty foods cause I dont' want those problems to occur when I hit my 40's!

The Atkins Diet is pure rubbish!!! *spits on the ground*


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ghostdragon Wrote: You have to realize that your friend's new active lifestyle is what's keeping his weight in control, not some fad diet. Plus, with some people with heart conditions, Atkins is potentialy dangerous. Okay, they do the low carb thing, but slack off on the exercise, then what? The weight goes back up.

Well, the situation with my friend is, I don't know how long he was on Atkins, but he went off it about a year ago. I hadn't seen him from a couple months before he went off it until about a month ago. He looks a bit thinner now than he did then, but he was quite a bit thinner last year than he was before he went on the diet. So he lost weight, but then he wanted to build some muscle and really get his body in good shape. He's joining the Army next year (although I really don't understand why, and I don't think he does either; he might have been high when he made the decision), and he's been getting in shape for it by running several miles a day; he also took kung fu for a couple months.

He seems to have made the transition from Atkins to a healthy, active lifestyle very well. It seems that the Atkins diet does work in a certain context; what I find bullshit is that we're always hearing about low carb foods: low carb hamburgers, low carb yogurt, low carb potato chips; hell, even light beer is being advertised as low carb. But a lot of people don't realize that Atkins has to be done a certain way to be safe and effective.

ghostdragon Wrote: The Atkins Diet is pure rubbish!!! *spits on the ground* GD

Amen to that!

I've said this in a couple of other threads regarding the Atkins diet. As stated, the lack of carbs makes the process of burning fat increase. The problem is that glucose is burned even before it turns to "true" fat. Which in turns raises PH levels in your body, boiling you on the inside. Yah, that sounds REALLY healthy .

And that's the point behind "nutrition." To be "healthy", not lose weight quickly. Look at any woman with beautifull skin and a curvy, tight figure. Or a man with lean, toned muscle. I guaran-damn-tee that they did NOT get that way by some some fad diet. They didn't count carbs or calories - cal counting is utterly useless and completely outdated today, btw. They worked they asses off, pure and simple. They've been working their asses off for years. Any other way is unsafe and dangerous, to say the least.

True nutrition is nothing more than chemistry; it's science. How minerals, vitamins and other elements interact with one another as they circulate through your body. Anybody who's taken chemistry can see that when you add or take away certain substances you can achieve various results; some benign, some volitile. Now picture some of those reactions inside your body. Atkins seariously hinders proper interaction.

Eat your dark-green-leafy-vegitables, eat your fruit, drink your water, drink your green tea, stop the soda consumption...






AND GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS!!!

Atkins is pretty retarded. As a marketing concept, it's brilliant; it DOES work, and it works wonders.

But nutritionally it's a terrible idea. Carbs are necessary, and most people don't bother to differentiate between good, natural carbs, like in bread and such, and manufactured sugars. It also creates a daily diet INCREDIBLY high in fat and saturated fat, which, although is handy because it's easily burned, makes you many, many times more supsceptible to heart disease.

Not to mention that the results last only as long as you stick to the diet, which becomes increasingly more dangerous in such a way if one remains on it for a length of time.

Actually carnage you hit the nail right on the head. Atkin's is for people "significantly" overweight, as it were; it's not a quick-fix.
You people say all this "Get off your lazy ass" BS, but let's think about it. You're paraplegic, or you're temporarily disabled, or you have an 18 hour a day Desk Job, SOMETHING, that keeps you ON your ass. So tell me, when this is the case, what the hell do you need "fuel" (carbs) for? I was on Atkin's for over a year, and I was strict about it. Steak, chicken, eggs, bacon, fish, blahblah, that's what I ate. And Energy was NOT a problem. Not for my desk-job life, not for a high-school student.
The reason the Food Pyramid had such a dependency on Carbs, is omg WAY BACK WHEN, before Everything was digital, we actually needed to get off our butts and do stuff. Yes, carbs were essential back then, because we got off our ass, used them, and burned them AND fat.
So if you actually play sports, ride bikes to work, walk your dog, don't sit all day healing or pushing papers, yeah, carbs are great. They won't bother you probably. Ignore this Low-carb craze. And yes, I'll admit it's become a craze after what 40 years Atkinson actually researched and wrote about the subject ;p

But don't knock it till you tried it - I got more energy On Atkin's than I had Off it, my cholesterol dropped, all that nice stuff. And for the record, my doctor DID tell me to go on it, it wasn't a bandwagon jump.

Carnage, GhostDragon and YouSuck are absolutely right in every aspect. You can't get bullshit anymore genuine than Atkins.

The whole carb scare is a marketing approach. Anyone who goes with it is a tool, IMO. Eating too much and lack of exercise are much bigger factors of obesity, but I don't see work out programs being advertised into the ground by mainstream media. And of course not. Working out is not nearly as profitable as a bullshit diet. And it pisses me off so much, because businesses are taking advantage of those who are overweight. Then again, people ought to educate themselves before they jump on the bandwagon.

Sadly, people love trends. Atkins is nothing more than a sick fad. If I had it my way, I would make Subway advertise non-stop how the Atkins diet increases the chances of cancer within the bowels. But no one wants to hear that. Laziness is as common greed or hate. It's an indulgence, and therefore a problem. Simply put: it's easier to stuff your mouth with meat than it is to exercise and eat a balanced, healthy diet.

I've been thin my entire life, and I eat half as much red meat as the average. Fuck, my favorite food is pasta!

EDIT: If you have a medical conditon that prohibits exercise, then that's different.

Ya im so tired of the Atkins wave thats sleeping the country its so bullshit. Just a ? but didnt Mr.Atkins die of heart failure.

RammSPOOn Wrote: Actually carnage you hit the nail right on the head. Atkin's is for people "significantly" overweight, as it were; it's not a quick-fix. You people say all this "Get off your lazy ass" BS, but let's think about it. You're paraplegic, or you're temporarily disabled, or you have an 18 hour a day Desk Job, SOMETHING, that keeps you ON your ass. So tell me, when this is the case, what the hell do you need "fuel" (carbs) for? I was on Atkin's for over a year, and I was strict about it. Steak, chicken, eggs, bacon, fish, blahblah, that's what I ate. And Energy was NOT a problem. Not for my desk-job life, not for a high-school student. The reason the Food Pyramid had such a dependency on Carbs, is omg WAY BACK WHEN, before Everything was digital, we actually needed to get off our butts and do stuff. Yes, carbs were essential back then, because we got off our ass, used them, and burned them AND fat. So if you actually play sports, ride bikes to work, walk your dog, don't sit all day healing or pushing papers, yeah, carbs are great. They won't bother you probably. Ignore this Low-carb craze. And yes, I'll admit it's become a craze after what 40 years Atkinson actually researched and wrote about the subject ;p But don't knock it till you tried it - I got more energy On Atkin's than I had Off it, my cholesterol dropped, all that nice stuff. And for the record, my doctor DID tell me to go on it, it wasn't a bandwagon jump.

Here, here! While I will not agree about the energy part, I will say that Atkins does work for some, when done properly. I will also agree with others here that have said that it's a fad.

But you should never start any program because it's a fad, or because you are lazy. You should do the research and do whatever you choose for your health. I did Atkins for a while and I lost 10 lbs. but I also felt weak, mostly because I see now that I was keeping up with important things like vitamins. Also, the meat part was getting to me...entirely too much of it, I could practically feel my arteries clogging.

But if you can learn to not overdo it, excersize, eat healthy, yada yada, then I think Atkins is excellent for teaching a person to eat less carbs until they actually need them.

I am overweight and I know now that I do sit down a bit too much, but I have started a lifestyle change of eating right, excersizing, and while I haven't "lost weight" I have gained muscle where much of my fat used to be, making me stronger and healthier, but the same weight. But I also learned that I was entirely too carb dependent. Eating plenty of carbs is fine if you use them. But I did not, and as diabetes and cancer run in my family, eating a lot of carbs when I am not active is simply not smart. I do take in a good amount of carbs for my lifestyle now that I am moving more. But not nearly as much as I was before Atkins.

I was only on Atkins for a few weeks. I messed up in the beginning, did good for a while, then I got sick of meat and missed my carbs. But it was definitely a wake up call for me to listen to my body, because I knew that I did not feel good, because I did move enough to need more than 20 grams of net carbs a day.

The point is, people need to find a lifestyle that is healthy for them, and that they can stick to. and regardless of what they do, they have to remember to eat veggies and fruit, eat in moderation or what's right for their body type, and exercise.

Learning how to do this, even though I am no where near a pro yet, is helping me so greatly. I used to be a bit overweight, but prided myself in being much more healthy than many of my thin counterparts. Then I had a move in my life about a year ago that tore my life into, making most things in my life fall apart...my self-esteem, my creativity, and my health. That's when I started hunting for solutions.

I have never been stupid enough to fall for pills, tonics, surgeries, and the like, but I did try several methods that involved changing my eating habits. Keeping healthy food in my house, and learning to exercise more, is looking to be the best for me. I'm not counting calories or carbs, and I'm not torturing myself. But I am learning to eat right.

It's not about stuffing yourself at one meal and trying to keep from eating the rest of the day. That is one of the worst things to do. But eating less, and eating more often is looking to be the key for me.

In the morning I used to eat at least two bowls of cereal because I knew I would not be getting more food for a long time, somtimes even up to 7 hours straight, because school food is so expensive and unhealthy (a large donut is cheaper than a small salad -_-). But now I have found healthy foods and snacks that I can take along with me, baby carrots (I love them ^_^), Japanese crackers, chex mix, and slowly learning to make other things portable.

I can now eat one bowl of cereal and maybe a piece of fruit and feel fine until I snack after my first class which prepares me for weight-training. I am always starving after weight-training, so I have something healthy afterwards too. I keep up with my vitamin supplements which include: a multy-vitamin, C, E, and calcium, which is perfect for me being female, and also to fill in what I don't get as I learn to eat right.

I've learned the value of a cardiovascular workout, even though I found that I don't like walking, I am doing other exercises, and learning to stretch correctly so that I can now stand walking, and can possibly even learn to like it. I'm working on trying to play DDR at least 1 hour a day which is a lovely form of cardio because it's fun. I'm not quite up to enduring the full hour while still playing songs I like, and I have not been doing it everyday as I should, but I'm up to about 45 minutes, and I am learning. I've heard so many success stories of DDR fans that found DDR to be a perfect exercise that they don't get bored with. I hope to eventually get up to 3 hours a day, and I will really be doing what is right for my body type.

My weight-training class has made me so toned, and I am so happy. I am still on the computer a bit too much (darn you MKO ;-P) but as I form a good schedule for school and homework, I will find the perfect time to exercise. Before summer school started I had worked out with Denise Austin in the morning to get myself to start moving more and get myself to learn to enjoy exercise again.

Okay, I've rambled on too much. But the point is, I'm finding a healthy lifestlye that I love and that works for me. It's not based around a fad, though a fad did help. You have to find what works for you whether it lies in something like Atkins or not. I love DDR, and there are healthy foods that I love in every food group. Too many carbs was not for me, but too little carbs didn't work either, and I was never a fan of too much red meat. Find what you like to do, find what you like to eat, and do it! Make it work!



I'm so happy! lol

Atkinson slipped on ice, hit his head, and never woke up. He didn't just up and have a heart attack :P

ZenMasterMike Wrote: Ya im so tired of the Atkins wave thats sleeping the country its so bullshit. Just a ? but didnt Mr.Atkins die of heart failure.

No, he died from head injuries when he slipped and fell on a sidewalk. However, there's apparently a rumor that he actually fell because he had a heart attack.

During his lifetime, however, Atkins had suffered a heart attack, congestive heart failure, and hypertension, but it's unknown if any of these were involved in his death. Also, while admitting he'd had a heart attack at one point, he maintained that it was not diet-related. But of course, considering the profit he made from the diet he advocated, I suppose he WOULD be inclined to say that.

I agree, Atkins is marketing bullshit.

But the whole craze does have ONE positive aspect, I think it is getting a lot of unhealthy people, perhaps, interested in actually improving health. It might start an overall trend towards health, although it is hard to tell.

Most of the fast food joints have dropped super-sizing now. I myself, am obese, I will not lie on the issue. I've struggled with my weight throughout most of my life. However, over the last two years it has become worse. I incured a slew of personal problems, and due to depression and other circumstances put on over 100 pounds.

I tried the Atkins diet, was on it over a month. I hardly lost a pound. The simple truth is, you have to eat right and exercise. I am now realizing that. I recently went to the doctor, and although he couldn't diagnose it from my blood test(you have to catch it as it happens), my physician told me he is 98% sure I am getting hypoglecemia. He referred me to a nutritionist, although the appointment isnt until late October. It's the earliest I could get. In the mean time, I am watching what I eat, avoiding sweets and junk foods entirely, and making an effort to be more active.

I'm also considering no longer eating meat, and relying mainly on vegetables. I will eat pasta, bread, rice etc. However, I plan on trying to mainly eat vegetables. Up until lately I've always hated vegetables, but I am starting to like them.

Actually the Atkins diet was made for people who had to have open heart surgery and had to lose considerable ammounts of weight fast, then it caught on with the masses... if ur gonna diet do something that u know u can live with because if u do like the Atkins for awhile and lose a lot ur gonna gain it all right back when u switch back over

Sorry for bumping my thread like this, but there's a fairly important question I want to ask, and hope someone here can answer.

According to the CDC BMI (body mass index), since I'm 5'10" tall and weigh about 162.5 pounds (though it fluctuates from 160-166), I have a BMI of 23.3. Between 18.5 and 24.9 is considered "normal," so mine is slightly high normal. I'm not very muscular, but I probably have a little more body fat than I should.

But here's the weird part. A couple months ago I donated blood, and a couple weeks later I got a card from the blood center that included my blood type, and also my cholesterol level. I had given blood once before, and my cholesterol level then had been 161. Now it's 149. The card also noted the "desirable" level to be "below 200." So that's good, I thought, I don't have high cholesterol. But 149 is significantly lower than 200; can LOW cholesterol be bad, too?

I did a Google search and, sure enough, I found articles saying low cholesterol can lead to depression, certain cancers, and respiratory diseases. "Low" cholesterol was stated to be "below 160."

But my question is, should I be worried about this? I mean, the articles did say below 160 was low "for adults." I'm 19; could my cholesterol be expected to increase as I get older? Does it fluctuate more? And of course, cholesterol is associated with fatty foods, which I don't exactly shy away from. Since I probably have more body fat than I should, why is my cholesterol so low? Any diet or exercise recomendations to get my cholesterol up without gaining weight?

...Could this actually be an Atkins-friendly situation?

Could be, carnage ^_~
Everybody's body reacts to different diets a different way from others. When I started Atkins my Cholesterol was bad o_o High bad. After a year on Atkin's (strict Atkin's), the doc said my cholesterol was at levels people'd kill for.
Bottomline, find what works for you and stick with it, keeping tabs on what it's doing to your body. It was easy for me to do, since I needed regular blood tests and doctor visits anyway, so I was able to see what the new diet was doing to me, and now I'm the healthiest I've ever been. So figure out what's doing what with you, find what works, and stay on it.

My friend is on this diet. Somehow I dont think putting 3 tablespoons of salad dressing on salad and chicken wings which are deep fryed ect. Is healthy.

Eat what you want exercise ect. Dont be a lazy ass.

Yeah, we didn't think that either, but assuming the dressing isn't full of sugar, the wings aren't breaded and the salad doesn't have croutons, it's actually healthier than you realize, most people considering.
Cuz my folks are still alive and haven't felt better in about 10 years, and they were on it with me.

It, like most ANY diet, should not be done without knowledgable supervision. It's not for everyone, and it isn't a quick fix, and most of the band-wagon jumpers don't get that.

Arrrgh. Don't make fun of Atkins!

It made me lose weight. I used to be a 300 lb land beast, and now I'm a slim trim 299!

It has saved my life, it's cured cancer and it randomly shoots free kittens out of it's containter!

Without atkins we wouldn't have plastics, rubbermaid, or Cher's face! The wonders Atkins has done!

Without atkins I wouldn't be standing on this space shuttle right now talking to you using only this string, a slice of cheese, and a lemming!

God Bless you Dr. Atkins, no matter which way you weigh!

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People just need to get off their lazy ass, simple as that.