Cinema Snobbery- Lets Argue About Movies!
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Cinema Snobbery- Lets Argue About Movies!
02/08/2017 04:19 PM EST
Hey folks! It's your best friend Poasty here with another thread!

Let's Argue About Movies! I was thinking I (or you fine people) could pose a question about movies, and we could have a debate for a week or so about the answer! Loudest person wins! Also the questions won't actually be yes/no!

If people are into the idea and have some ideas for questions, PM me!

I don't want to limit discussion to just that though. If you have some "hot takes" on movies and feel like arguing your position, maybe you'll find someone who doesn't agree with you! Also you could post movie reviews (written by you) if you want. I don't know.

Some of my "hot takes":

Ridley Scott is 80% Style and 20% Substance, and sometimes the split can get to be like 95/5!
The Godfather Part 3 isn't an entirely bad movie!
The Hateful Eight was masturbatory!
La La Land DOES deserve every award and nomination it has/will have!


Here's an easy one to start off with:

For the last several years, more and more attention is paid to gigantic franchise blockbusters while at the same time more and more movies are being released straight to Netflix, Itunes, etc. Is this new system for movie-making/watching working out for you?

Good because it makes going to the theatre more of an "event"? Bad because truly great movies don't get any advertising budget? Something else?

Let's argue!
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02/08/2017 08:42 PM EST
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Here's an easy one to start off with:

For the last several years, more and more attention is paid to gigantic franchise blockbusters while at the same time more and more movies are being released straight to Netflix, Itunes, etc. Is this new system for movie-making/watching working out for you?

Good because it makes going to the theatre more of an "event"? Bad because truly great movies don't get any advertising budget? Something else?

Let's argue!



I'd say I'm feeling more negative about it. Movies that go "direct to video" have always had this stigma about them, in that, there's a perceived lack of quality. Right or wrong, I can't help but to view movies that go straight to a video on demand service as basically the same thing.

I realize the industry is changing and a distribution model is not necessarily a reflection of quality these days, but I will likely always hesitate to give anything that doesn't show up in a theatre first a shot.

Hot takes-

When most directors make a bad movie, it's a bad movie. When Michael Bay makes a bad movie, it's "good for a Michael Bay movie". What the fuck has this man done for cinema that he deserves this pass? Horse shit, says this casual observer.

All of Tarantino's movies are masturbatory, that's part of their charm I suppose. *Full disclosure- I have not seen Hateful Eight.

Live Free or Die Hard was a worthy addition to the franchise! (suck it!)

Instead of Batman v Superman, we should have gotten a more literal adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns starring Michael Keaton.

Oh and uh, Keaton > Bale, all day, errday.

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02/10/2017 08:43 PM EST
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Hey folks! It's your best friend Poasty here with another thread!

Let's Argue About Movies! I was thinking I (or you fine people) could pose a question about movies, and we could have a debate for a week or so about the answer! Loudest person wins! Also the questions won't actually be yes/no!

If people are into the idea and have some ideas for questions, PM me!

I don't want to limit discussion to just that though. If you have some "hot takes" on movies and feel like arguing your position, maybe you'll find someone who doesn't agree with you! Also you could post movie reviews (written by you) if you want. I don't know.

Some of my "hot takes":

Ridley Scott is 80% Style and 20% Substance, and sometimes the split can get to be like 95/5!
The Godfather Part 3 isn't an entirely bad movie!
The Hateful Eight was masturbatory!
La La Land DOES deserve every award and nomination it has/will have!


Here's an easy one to start off with:

For the last several years, more and more attention is paid to gigantic franchise blockbusters while at the same time more and more movies are being released straight to Netflix, Itunes, etc. Is this new system for movie-making/watching working out for you?

Good because it makes going to the theatre more of an "event"? Bad because truly great movies don't get any advertising budget? Something else?

Let's argue!


I think it's good because it makes things more affordable for people who don't go to the movies but also we're getting more connected digitally and that might not be good

My hot takes:

I like horror films, but I still prefer Halloween parts 4-6 to H20 and Resurrection. I wish they followed Daniel Farrands idea of Halloween 8 where Laurie became Michael after killing him but you don't know about it until the end.

I still feel Kane Hodder got screwed with not playing Jason in Freddy vs Jason because he carried the Jason mantle for almost two decades.

The Godfather Part III isn't a bad way to end the trilogy

Despite the divisiveness of the films of the DC Extended Universe, I don't believe a reboot will solve the issues. I'd rather have more people who know the source and do good films. Sure, the films have their issues. But what franchise film doesn't have issues?

Part of me wants to see a Marvel/DC crossover film. I'd go see it on opening day. It would be cool to see Superman with Thor's hammer or Wonder Woman facing off against Black Widow, Zatanna fighting Doctor Strange, etc... but the main plot would be an alliance of Thanos and Darkseid. It would also be cool to see the Guardians of the Galaxy face off with the Green Lantern Corps in a fight of insults.
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02/13/2017 03:24 AM EST
Star Wars Episode I and II are bad but not as bad as people pretend they are for internet cred.

Victory Celebration IS better than Yub-Nub for the end of Return of the Jedi. Victory Celebration is solemn and dignified, Yub-Nub is just Ewok silliness.

The Matrix is highly over-rated, not just now that it's horribly dated, but even when it came out. The concept was not new, it was not well acted, and the plot is so convoluted that it just tricks people into thinking it's good.

I've never liked Quentin Tarantino. I don't know much about film, but most of his catalog feels stylistically like a film student's final piece only with a much higher budget. What seems like subtle nods to things he likes are never subtle. Making 1/3 of the screen a Fruit Brute box isn't a fun reference to a retro cereal, it's fucking distracting!

I think George Clooney could have made for a good Batman if he had a good Batman script.

I've always kind of hated the Wizard Oz because it's regarded as a classic and as such they've never made a truly more faithful adaptation of that story.

I thought the Blair Witch WAS about those two dudes murdering that girl LONG before that was a fan theory.

I liked Birdman and felt it deserved Best Picture.
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02/23/2017 01:20 AM EST
Mad Max: Fury Road is the greatest action movie ever made with Dredd being number 2.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is the 2nd best Bond film ever, just behind From Russia With Love.

The fact Dave Bautista didn't Batista Bomb anyone in Spectre is a crime against humanity.
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04/22/2017 01:03 AM EST
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04/27/2017 10:57 PM EST
I dunno about snobbery, but here are a couple of hottakes:

Guardians of the Galaxy is a poorly shot, boring, unfocused, mediocre movie.

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me is an intriguing movie, and coherent addition to the series.

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05/03/2017 06:44 PM EST
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
I dunno about snobbery, but here are a couple of hottakes:

Guardians of the Galaxy is a poorly shot, boring, unfocused, mediocre movie.

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me is an intriguing movie, and coherent addition to the series.


You're the first person to say Guardians of the Galaxy, everyone I know that saw it loved it.

Fire Walk with Me is an interesting film, are you excited for the revival coming up this May?
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05/05/2017 12:04 AM EST
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Fire Walk with Me is an interesting film, are you excited for the revival coming up this May?

Over time I always forget how good [Fire Walk With Me] is. Always start thinking it's a mess.
Big Twin Peaks fan, so yes. Very excited for the return! Crossing my fingers its worth the wait!

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You're the first person to say Guardians of the Galaxy, everyone I know that saw it loved it.

It's got good components, but as a film, it's a total drag. A lot wrong with it!

If you don't walk in already on the side of the heroes, the movie itself never really gives you a reason to care about them. The reasons for everything happening - waifer thin! The villain in particular has no real motivation. For a funny movie, laughs are actually few and far between. Strong aesthetic should pick up the slack for the film's other failings, but the versions I've seen only linger on wide shots when there isn't much in them. If the reference model is Star Wars, and/or eighties hits, they've missed what made those films great.

Would never ding any body for embracing what's fun about Guardians, but man. I wonder when people will get sick of the repeating Marvel formula. Sometimes they just have to show up for the audience to declare it the 'best movie evarrrr'. In the harsh light of day, they've been middle of the road since the first Iron Man. (Iron Man 3 is pretty underrated, though).

Guardians of the Galaxy had all the components to be a fresh, exciting new step forward for the Marvel/Disney empire, but it waffled on it. If you love the talking raccoon and tree, you're probably better off buying some comics, or toys, or a video game. I would guess a lot of the audience who loves it has done that.

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05/24/2017 09:29 PM EST
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Over time I always forget how good [Fire Walk With Me] is. Always start thinking it's a mess.
Big Twin Peaks fan, so yes. Very excited for the return! Crossing my fingers its worth the wait!

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You're the first person to say Guardians of the Galaxy, everyone I know that saw it loved it.

It's got good components, but as a film, it's a total drag. A lot wrong with it!

If you don't walk in already on the side of the heroes, the movie itself never really gives you a reason to care about them. The reasons for everything happening - waifer thin! The villain in particular has no real motivation. For a funny movie, laughs are actually few and far between. Strong aesthetic should pick up the slack for the film's other failings, but the versions I've seen only linger on wide shots when there isn't much in them. If the reference model is Star Wars, and/or eighties hits, they've missed what made those films great.

Would never ding any body for embracing what's fun about Guardians, but man. I wonder when people will get sick of the repeating Marvel formula. Sometimes they just have to show up for the audience to declare it the 'best movie evarrrr'. In the harsh light of day, they've been middle of the road since the first Iron Man. (Iron Man 3 is pretty underrated, though).

Guardians of the Galaxy had all the components to be a fresh, exciting new step forward for the Marvel/Disney empire, but it waffled on it. If you love the talking raccoon and tree, you're probably better off buying some comics, or toys, or a video game. I would guess a lot of the audience who loves it has done that.


I agree with what you said, I saw the sequel a few weeks ago and I wasn't impressed. It cared more about jokes than a good story. The Marvel formula, to me at least, is becoming stale and it started for me after Age of Ultron although the Netflix shows are great.
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08/07/2017 01:45 AM EST
Hmm... I suppose I'll share some of my own unpopular opinions before commenting on all of your own.

The Breakfast Club is vastly overrated. I love John Hughes, but this movie is cringe-inducing, fake-nostalgic mediocrity. I can't believe people actually like it.

Lupita Nyong'o has yet to impress me with her acting. Jennifer Lawrence got robbed of an Oscar that year for American Hustle. So did Gravity, for that matter, but I get it.

The only Star Wars worse than The Force Awakens is Attack of the Clones. Kylo Ren is worse than Jar Jar Binks.


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Poasty, when you say The Hateful Eight is masturbatory, I'm not sure if that's meant to be a good thing or a bad thing. Seems to me like a pretty violent film to be pleasuring yourself to, but to each his own, I guess... Anyway, I agree that La La Land is amazing, though I don't really agree about what you think of Ridley Scott. Also, I think the current system for movie distribution is advantageous for both sides. I like it.

Detox, I agree Live Free or Die Hard was great. I remember being really worried about that one given its premise, but it turned out to be a whole lot of fun. Also, it made me not hate Justin Long, so there's that! The whole "hacker" thing ended up creating some pretty awesome and unique moments. Also, hahaha, I completely agree about a return to Batman for Michael Keaton. That dude is just killing it lately. Who WOULDN'T want to see him don the cape and cowl one last time? Birdman and The Vulture (in Spider-Man: Homecoming) are nice homages to his Batman days, and great films in their own right, but man, I love this idea. Too bad it'll never happen though. Still, I definitely prefer Bale as Batman, but Keaton's cool too.

coltess, I sort of agree about the Star Wars prequels, but I do truly loathe Attack of the Clones for so many reasons. I agree that Batman & Robin definitely wasn't Clooney's fault. At the very least, Clooney could have made for an excellent Bruce Wayne. Birdman totally deserved Best Picture, but Spotlight's still a great and respectable film, so I'm not too upset that they split the Best Picture/Best Director categories. Inarritu is a genius! Going to have to strongly disagree with you on Tarantino and The Matrix though (at least the first Matrix anyway).

travelingwilbury, yes, Fury Road is amazing. I don't know about ever, but it belongs in the conversation. Dredd was a great movie that not enough people saw. I love its tight focus, but it was a bit too demented and disturbing for my taste. The skinned bodies were a little much for me, and I wasn't crazy about Lena Headey's villain.

Mick, of course you'd hate Guardians. This is why we can't have nice things. Though, to be fair, I had plenty of issues with it myself, namely the constant teasing of death Marvel's so synonymous with. JUST DO IT!!! MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE!! All joking aside, I mostly agree with you about Marvel, but I think they're finally starting to get it together. I loved Ant-Man, Civil War, and now Spider-Man. Most of their films, however, are still pretty mediocre to me. Anyway, if you thought Guardians was bad, I'm pretty sure you'd really hate the sequel. It has a great intro scene, and I liked the conclusion, but overall it's just pretty whatever.

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