It isn't if you don't really like the song all that much, and don't really "listen". If you do, then yes it IS stealing, because you should give the artist credit and listen to the song in all of it's high quality glory if you really like it.

That's just my theory.

LoganMK, just know that I am totally behind you on this topic. I aggree with you completely. And I DO download music, yes! Maybe it IS stealing maybe not, it IS unfair to the artist, that I know. I buy CDs, I download something I don't have access to, for example, instrumentals, I am into singing and I take vocals, so I need instrumentals I d/l those. I download underground songs that made only 100 copies. But I still go to music stores and buy CD's. People say paying for CD's is stealing? Well, take it out with the record companies, because that money has to be filtered through so many people before it gets to the artist that the artist probably barely gets a buck out of it. Granted when the CD sells platinum the artist is a rich person! But they deserve it, if I buy a CD and I like it, (I use my own judgement on what to buy or not, and 99% of the time I like almost every song on a CD) I am happy, the artist made me and a million others happy and they deserve the money for it. Stealing or not, d/ling music is unfair to the artists.

Thanks bub. Something you said reminded me of something.

I was thinking about this last night before I went to bed. I've heard a lot of people give a justification that there's only 1 or 2 good songs on it and the rest are crap.

I say they are dumbasses for buying a CD that they don't like haha, either that or a dumbass for liking a band that has mostly crappy songs. I at least ask someone else who bought it how the album is if I am not sure of it.

How can it be stealing if i'm not paying for it?....Oh yeah.

I simply take risks, I buy the album, if I don't like it, no regrets.

The_Cold_Kombatant Wrote: How can it be stealing if i'm not paying for it?....Oh yeah.

haha two points

What's the fucking difference between listening to it on your computer/MP3 player and listening to it on the radio ?

Poor widdle singers, they'll have 20 $ less in their millions of dollars ! YOU MAKE ME SICK !

This society is based on protecting the rich and brutalizing the poor ! Aerosmith said it right, "Eat the Rich" !

STOP EVERYTHING! Hehe, I like to get people's attention from time to time. Anyway, here's the difference in opinions:
Some say "mosr CD's only have 2 good songs on them and the rest suck, why should I buy them?" My answer download those two songs and shut up about it.

Now there are those people who like whole albums: DOWNLOAD a whole album and seel it for $5 to their friends, THAT is sealing!

Don't people get paid still for radio's putting their music on the air? If thats true then that would be the difference

No I think it's the other way around
they pay radio stations to play their music or radio stations just play it for free....it's radio play...rotation etc...publicity

If a product is being placed on the market with the purpose of selling it, and people are readily acquiring it without paying any money for it, then yes, it's stealing, regardless of the "oh, it's not hurting the industry, conept".

It's like me stealing one of Jay Leno's vintage cars, under the notion that "well, he's got tons of them anyway and he doesn't need them all, so I'm not hurting anyone...".

You can debate it all you want, but copyright law exists, making it illegal.

ShingoEX Wrote: If a product is being placed on the market with the purpose of selling it, and people are readily acquiring it without paying any money for it, then yes, it's stealing, regardless of the "oh, it's not hurting the industry, conept". It's like me stealing one of Jay Leno's vintage cars, under the notion that "well, he's got tons of them anyway and he doesn't need them all, so I'm not hurting anyone...". You can debate it all you want, but copyright law exists, making it illegal.

I'll say it again, I don't give a shit. Ok, I'm a THIEF.

Today's modern popular "musicians" are mostly overpaid and deserve to be stolen from.

I don't believe any type of art should be paid for, unless its in its pristine form (i.e. a performance of a play as opposed to a recording, an original painting as opposed to a print). First off, there's a helluva lot more work and money spent in performing a song live as opposed to sitting in a cozy recording booth and singing it. The latter I simply refuse to pay for. Attaching a price tag on art demeans from its intrinsic value.

In other words, I'll pay $20 for a CD if I'm going to see a band go perform it.

There's essentially no work involved in making a recording...IMO, artists shouldn't get royalties but be paid for the act of recording in itself. Maybe then they'll stay a little more grounded and stay truer to their art, and not allow it to be commercialized.

I'm not personally condemning any of you (as I do dl music from time to time myself). I'm just answering the question presented in the topic.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: ShingoEX Wrote: If a product is being placed on the market with the purpose of selling it, and people are readily acquiring it without paying any money for it, then yes, it's stealing, regardless of the "oh, it's not hurting the industry, conept". It's like me stealing one of Jay Leno's vintage cars, under the notion that "well, he's got tons of them anyway and he doesn't need them all, so I'm not hurting anyone...". You can debate it all you want, but copyright law exists, making it illegal. I'll say it again, I don't give a shit. Ok, I'm a THIEF.

It's like me stealing one of Jay Leno's vintage cars, under the notion that "well, he's got tons of them anyway and he doesn't need them all, so I'm not hurting anyone...".

Actually, no it isn't. It would be like just happening to find an exact replica for Jay Leno's vintage car. He doesn't lose his and you don't spend any money on a new one...everyone wins.

I download music because they don't sell japanese music around here. I've asked various music stores if they import it and none of them do.

You'd think with the ammount of Asians in Saint John (New Brunswick, Canada), that at least one store would carry it.



Ka-Tra

I sorta swing both ways in this argument.

For years, corporation thoughts they could jack up the price of something numerous times than what is worth, promote it, then sell it by the millions. Considering that the costumers only know a fraction of what they're buying, this is a horrible wrong on the side of the industry. As far as their knowledge goes, the remaining eight songs they haven't heard yet may suck terribly. People deserve to know what they're buying, but record companies want their cake and be able to eat it too. They want people to stop downloading, yet they don't want to stamp reasonable prices on records. If they were to change the average CD price to $10, they'd still make a fuck of a profit.

BUT....

On the other hand, there are artists out there who actually rely on CD sales. The best death metal band, Crimson Thorn relies almost completely off of CD sales which can only be bought via money order through their website. A lot of ignornant people will justify this by saying "they make most of their money off touring anyway." Yeah, that's true if you're on a major fucking label. If you don't have a corporation that's willing to support you, you tour out of YOUR OWN WALLET!

You may say you don't buy CDs because they're usually only comprised of two good songs with other shit ones. Whoever thinks this has been shelered, badly. Jester Race? Piece of Mind? Damage Done? Ride the Lightning? Blue Blood? These are some of the best pieces of musical art ever made, and it's horribly unfair to generalize these guys with the other shit in the industry.

So some of you are probably wondering why these guys are doing so badly if they're some of the best musicians ever. Well, nobody wants to promote them. They're not latched onto a trend like most of today's bullshit. Since they won't concede to a certain image and a certain sound, they get ostracized.

Point being: If you can't pull your head out of the mainstream, you don't deserve good music. Otherwise, download what you can, buy what you like.

technically you can download music AND pay for it with sites like iTunes and the New Napster... so no, not all downloading is illegal (even though I know you meant it in a different sense... i like being a smart-ass)

In my honest opinion I don't think Downloading music would be that much of a problem if people would put out QUALITY MUSIC.90% of the time now a days you'll buy a cd for 15 bucks and lets say you buy a cd with 14 songs.I gurantee you 2 out of those 14 songs you'll like while the rest of the album is trash.

I don't call it stealing...I like to call it PAYBACK.

there is no such thing in modern pop a good song or a good album. i download songs that i already bought on cd. why u may ask? its easier todouble click on a song then put a tom petty or bob dylan ot jimi hendrix cd into a computer.

the people on this board have spoken loud and clear . makeing millions of dollars of crap music will reserve a right in payback by losing money by downloading ur one "good" song.

no such thing as good modern pop.


rock means everything is rock now. they dropped the roll and call hoobastank a punk rock band when there emo garbage. those type of talentless assholes deserve to lose money and lots of it. as one of the member said already the rich deserve rolose money and the poor should get money. aerosmith eat the rich more like take there money. everybody downloads music. evrybody in america still does it.