Please, I implore you to find an exception to the rule.

I'm not here to argue or to prove you anything, just telling you that you're wrong in making generalizations especially about ignorance and I left it at that...

however I will agree with you and say that the all bark no bite bullshit is the match that lights fights around here, because there is nothing more annoying than someone who talks when they have to say something than a person that has something to say...

The choice is yours... Fatality.

Truth: A little disclaimer, I have a bad habit of being blunt, so don't think I'm being an ass to you.

DO NOT ASK THIS CHICK OUT.....at least until she gets older.

Reason 1: she's 17 you're 17.....why do you need a girlfriend?

Reason 2: You seem like a nice sincere guy, if she's into the "bad boy" right now, trust me pal....you'll never make it a month with her and then you've ruined the friendship.

Reason 3: If she's given you the brush off which you dicribed as don't get too close thats a big red flag that either she doesn't want you but wants to remain friends, or she has a hard time trusting guys.

Reason 4: If you do ask her out and she accepts because of reason 1-3 she will more than likely play you like a dog, carry your testicles in her purse, and then cheat on you multiple times because you're acting like too much of a nice guy (or pussy) when she clearly is attracted to the bad guys.

The end result: She'll tear out your heart and you'll end up an embittered asshole for a loooong time. Just look and some of the people who've already posted lol.

Seriously though, if you care about this girl then let her go through her bad boy swing, by the time she gets older and realizes who really does care about her if ya'll are still friends she'll find you.

Logan is right, listen to him. Leave the girl alone, and find a girl that WANTS you. You're 17, so you'll forget about her in like a month or two anyway..lol

Just because she likes older guys dosen't make them more mature. Age is only a number and someone like yourself thats 17 can be more mature then lets say, someone 20-21. What your in is a difficult one. If she gives you the vibe that she only wants to be friends then I would just be her friend and see what happens. Eventually she'll see what a great guy you are and maybe something will happen.

If you like her alot then I would tell her just how you feel and tell her no matter how she feels about you that you'll always be there for her. She'll get the idea cause from what she says she's looking at the wrong times of guys. Those types are likely to beat her, leave her if they get her pregnant, use her, etc..., you get the point.

MY OPINION: Just tell her how you feel. She'll respect it no matter what. You'll always be friends so give it a try.

Yeh from what you guys have said I will porbably resort to this move:
Wait a few more months to see if she chages and gets ova the bad boy image, then tell her how i feel and vice vera. Is that a good idea?

Im not that experienced in this field... but maybe while you are waiting those few months, try to get closer to her in terms of emotional connection... as a friend, that way at the very least you solidify a friendship, and not loose one.

pal if she doesn't want you to "get too close" then entrusting her with self-disclosure (tell her how you feel) is not going to make anything better, in fact it'll push her away from you.

My advice is to leave her alone and find another chick. This is good for two reasons:

1) you will keep your dignity in the friendship nothing is weird or compromised

2) if she really DOES like you then you'll notice her getting jealous when you start giving attention to another chick.

If she begins to get jealous, then you know you have a fighting chance with her.

thetruth4 Wrote: Yeh from what you guys have said I will porbably resort to this move: Wait a few more months to see if she chages and gets ova the bad boy image, then tell her how i feel and vice vera. Is that a good idea?

It's only a good idea if you want to invest even more time than you already have. From my experience, the more time you invest, the more devastating the loss if nothing comes of it.

i haven't read all the other answers...but mostly when you féél that a girl is not interested, it's true..some girls are playing ''hard to get'' and act cool but when you ''feel the vibes'' as you said, it's different...and telling her that you like her, can ruin your relationship...aye, I hope you understand anything i've just said

Dude, dont wait a few months, thats to long, i waited 1 month to make a move, and well i found out she just starting seeing someone new, so wait but not to long, a perfect oppunity for you might be one for her.

when you wait make sure that shes over he last relationship, and single befour you ask her out

and tell he EXACTLY how you fell


thats all i can really tell you

good luck

My advice for this girl is don't waste your time in an intimate relationship. Any girl thta likes low-lives is a low-live themself. Instead get a nice, clean girl, whose loyal and intelligent. Don't stress yourself out, even girlfriends can help you threw the roughest of times. And would you want a pothead who will offer you drugs so you can OD later? Or an intellectual girl who will offer and guide you through your times? Your decision.

It looks like their have not been alot of guys here in relationships, so far the only ones that made perfect sense to how the world of today is was logan and me. FIND ANOTHER CHICK, TRUST ME...YOU'RE BETTER OFF. ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER IS NOT EVERYONE YOU LIKE, WILL LIKE YOU BACK. EVEN IF YOU TWO DO GO OUT, SHE 'WILL' STEP OVER YOU IN SOME WAYS(from how you described her) THEREFORE MESSING YOU UP IN PRESENT TIME AND FOR FUTURE RELATIONSHIPS, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THE RELATIONSHIP IS AND HOW BAD YOU TAKE IT.

People know when a girl is interested, and if she's not giving you these signals now...then you shoudl wait, but in the mean time. GO GET LAID..lol

Thanks for the support MKO members and i think im gonna do this instead.
Im going to her end of year formal (that our version of a prom 4 u yanks.lol) and i think on that night if it feels right im gonna tell her how i feel and maybe she just might respect it and tell her side of the storey.

i just need answers thats all, its so frustrating.

thetruth4 Wrote: Thanks for the support MKO members and i think im gonna do this instead. Im going to her end of year formal (that our version of a prom 4 u yanks.lol) and i think on that night if it feels right im gonna tell her how i feel and maybe she just might respect it and tell her side of the storey. i just need answers thats all, its so frustrating.

*Spreads out a lawn chair and sits with tea and popcorn*

This is going to be interesting. Can't say I didn't warn you

LoganMK Wrote: thetruth4 Wrote: Thanks for the support MKO members and i think im gonna do this instead. Im going to her end of year formal (that our version of a prom 4 u yanks.lol) and i think on that night if it feels right im gonna tell her how i feel and maybe she just might respect it and tell her side of the storey. i just need answers thats all, its so frustrating. *Spreads out a lawn chair and sits with tea and popcorn* This is going to be interesting. Can't say I didn't warn you

tea n popcorn ? wtf

What? Doesn't everyone like tea and popcorn?

LoganMK Wrote: What? Doesn't everyone like tea and popcorn?

Yeh popcorns ok i guess....

It is known that a lot of girls like boys who are older then themselves. But it is not always that way. My brother for example has at this time a relationship of 3,5 years with a girl the same age as him. They were 16 when they met each other.

So it is possible!!!

I can imagine that it is hard to tell a girl your feelings for her, but if you don't tell her about it she will never know!! Is that what you want???
If this girl is so special for you, you should express it to her. You are a friend of her for a long time now, so you know a lot about her and you also knows what she likes. Use these things! Surprise her! By doing this, she will notice that you feel more about her then just being friends. Afterwards you can tell your feelings to her and that is of course also the moment of truth!

Well, I wish you a lot of luck and let us all know if it worked out between the two of you!

good luck Thetruth4 hope everything will work out for u!

*pulls up a chair and sits with LoganMK* I can't wait to see how this turns out

Who in the hell eats popcorn with tea?

Ok Im going to goive you advice, even though I dont have a girlfriend, but ill try to as helpfull as anything, cause I had the same problems as you did. Just be yourself, and patient if you have you, often at times she will come to you at the right time. I recall you saying earlier that often she gives you the impression that she doesnt want you near her, then other times she wants to get close to you. During these times she gets close you, you have a better chance of bagging her. What ever you do, never come out of the blue and say,"Do you want to go out with me!?" because I said that to my 1 friend, and im lucky she is still talking to me. I hope that helped you man.

P.S. Im single ladies

Alpha_Q_Up Wrote: Who in the hell eats popcorn with tea?

Hey hey hey! Don't hate. Tea and Popcorn own your soul.