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03/04/2016 10:29 PM (UTC)
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- GHOSTBUSTERS - Official Trailer (HD) [YouTube]

Ghostbusters makes its long-awaited return, rebooted with a cast of hilarious new characters. Thirty years after the beloved original franchise took the world by storm, director Paul Feig brings his fresh take to the supernatural comedy, joined by some of the funniest actors working today – Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, and Chris Hemsworth. This summer, they’re here to save the world!

Disappointing is the word that comes to mind.

Referencing events of thirty years ago sets things off to the wrong tone, implying a continuum that isn't there. What follows wears remake on its sleeve with scenes that are too similar to moments from the original movie. Smearing the four basic characters doesn't do enough to inject new life into it. None of the sharp comedy or chemistry is there,e ither. Cliche, low grade slapstick and tee hee recalls Paul Feig's lesser directorial moments.

That said -- it's early days and it's only the first two and a half minutes they've shown. There's a great argument that this is a tiny, cautious, reassuringly familiar preview from the studio aimed at the audience afraid their childhood is turning inside out.

Here's hoping they really do have more up their sleeves. Enough to overcome a flawed premise.
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03/05/2016 11:02 AM (UTC)
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I so desperately want this movie to be good, but the whole time it's had the spectre of a pointless nostalgia cash-in hanging over its head.

Totally honest, I was starting to feel the nostalgia tears coming as the trailer started. The little piano score, the graffiti, the fire station, it all was setting the bar. Then the ghost. Now, I'm not gonna bash the ghost design because, while it should be puppetry, we don't live in that world anymore. Then...vomit. I was bothered by that, but it looked enough slime for me to uncomfortably try and look past it, but then it was just nothing... the whole dynamic just seems wrong. It's wrong in that they painfully copy the dynamic of the original Ghostbusters, it's wrong that there's no acknowledgment of the fucking original Ghostbusters when a Goddamn Marshmallow Man attacked New York, a Jello mold surrounding an Art Museum was created by a painting and was beaten down by the Statue of Liberty, and a dead architect tried to bring about the apocalypse and become a god in the middle central park. This would be like, and sorry if this is in poor taste, a conventional terrorist attack in New York being treated as if it's something that never happened before.

And the yelling. the yelling just isn't funny. None of the Ghostbusters yelled, nor did they rely on any kind of slapstick to create their characters. Ray was the fanboy, Egon the nerd, Peter the charmer, and Winston was the every man. Winston wasn't "the black one" he was supposed to be like us if we were shoved into that situation, you can't just say "black is black" the person needs to be generally relatable! That was important because Winston gives THE BEST dialogue in the over-all plot of Ghostbusters. All of this Gozer shit is the end of the world. All of these ghosts are showing up because the end is nigh and that concept was enough to make Ray, the one who has been totally into ghosts the whole damn movie, uncomfortable. How heavy was that scene? We see none of that here! How about the Twinkee? No Twinkee! They sacrificed the gravity of Ghostbusters for comedy, and I hope - I HOPE - that it was just a bad edit. That they felt they needed to appeal to casual audiences first.


EDIT: OK, I did a bit more reading and it turns out that this is just a remake, and is not related to the main Ghostbusters, despite the weird "30 years ago" at the beginning. This is a load off my shoulders, it really is. I'm content now to let this movie do whatever.
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03/06/2016 01:37 AM (UTC)
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It's as bad as I thought.
While the original did have some comedic moments, it was a serious, n dark story.

The ghosts/paranormal happenings only spiked because there was a big bad on the way.
People disputed their existence until shit actually went down. Who's the impending doom this time?

Slime barf... a lot of people liked Slimer. Kids like slime, watching people get slimed.
Slimer became the pet/mascot, and was the star of the animated series. He's actually a pretty disgusting pig who was toned a bit to become comedy relief, like Beetle Juice, but not as offensive.



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03/10/2016 03:13 AM (UTC)
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coltess Wrote:
Then...vomit.
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And the yelling. the yelling just isn't funny. None of the Ghostbusters yelled, nor did they rely on any kind of slapstick to create their characters.

I just watched the original trailer for the first Ghostbusters. Guess what I found? Characters being loud. Slapstick comedy. A character soaking in slime. No shit.
coltess Wrote:
Ray was the fanboy, Egon the nerd, Peter the charmer, and Winston was the every man. Winston wasn't "the black one" he was supposed to be like us if we were shoved into that situation, you can't just say "black is black" the person needs to be generally relatable!


Who's even talking about black people here other than you? By the way, go watch the original Ghostbusters trailer and see what you can tell about 4 characters in a 2 minute preview.


Tetra_Vega Wrote:
All of these ghosts are showing up because the end is nigh and that concept was enough to make Ray, the one who has been totally into ghosts the whole damn movie, uncomfortable. How heavy was that scene? We see none of that here!

You know what also bothers me? How it's only a couple of minutes long. The original ghostbusters was like an hour and a half, and now they actually try to make it just two minutes!? Ridiculous, what a slap in the face.
Stop acting like you don't know what a movie trailer is. You expect the trailer to show something like a character that starts being totally into ghosts goes through such an apocalyptic situation that he becomes uncomfortable? What's wrong with you? This is the first. TWO MINUTE. Trailer. Of a comedy about ghosts.
Here's something useful to do: Go watch the original ghostbusters trailer and tell me how many HEAVY SCENES you see, and how you can tell from just the two minute trailer how the characters go through so many changes because of all the dark spooky dangers.
I can save you the time and let you know: There's none of that in the trailer. Because. It's a FUCKING TRAILER.

Tetra_Vega Wrote:
While the original did have some comedic moments, it was a serious, n dark story.


What.
Ghostbusters barely had a story. And it wasn't serious.
Was it darker than this new one? Chromatically, sure. The ghosts are more colorful than before. Reminds me a lot of the Real Ghostbusters cartoon, which I loved as a kid.

The weapons look badass, and the girls look great using them. The Ghosts themselves look great - shout out to that Tim Burtonesque one walking on stilts, very cool.

Music is off the hook,
Kristen Wiig and Kate McKinnon look great, especially Kate's character - who has NOTHING to do with any previous Ghostbuster, despite people here going on about how the cast is A DIRECT COPY of the original Ghostbusters (like that would necessarily be a bad thing, anyway - who gives a shit as long as the film is good?). If anything she's a bit of a fusion between Ray and Egon, and it looks very entertaining.

I could go on about how we barely even know anything about the characters to say they're just like the original four. Who does Leslie Jones resemble? Winston? Because they're both black? That's it? I don't remember an original Ghostbuster like Leslie's character. Loved the trailer, can't wait to see more.


Very, VERY sad to see all these bullshit complaints instead of giving this culturally relevant movie a fair chance. You didn't like the jokes? Fine, that's fair enough. But demanding that a 2 minute trailer reveal character arcs, complaining that the cast is too much like the original and then ranting about how it's nothing like the original is just ridiculous.
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03/10/2016 04:15 AM (UTC)
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Zentile Wrote:
coltess Wrote:
Then...vomit.
(...)
And the yelling. the yelling just isn't funny. None of the Ghostbusters yelled, nor did they rely on any kind of slapstick to create their characters.

I just watched the original trailer for the first Ghostbusters. Guess what I found? Characters being loud. Slapstick comedy. A character soaking in slime. No shit.
coltess Wrote:
Ray was the fanboy, Egon the nerd, Peter the charmer, and Winston was the every man. Winston wasn't "the black one" he was supposed to be like us if we were shoved into that situation, you can't just say "black is black" the person needs to be generally relatable!


Who's even talking about black people here other than you? By the way, go watch the original Ghostbusters trailer and see what you can tell about 4 characters in a 2 minute preview.


First of all, don't fucking selectively edit me. You know damn well I excused the vomit as a newer iteration of the being slimed despite how foreboding it was for the rest of the trailer. Secondly, have you been on the internet since this broke? The whole damn thing has been on fire about Leslie Jones' character is being portrayed as a stereotypical loud black woman.

About the original trailer, your arguments just don't hold up. There is no yelling, unless you're counting Ray speaking to Gozer, there was no slime, unless you're counting the ectoplasm in the library (which is hardly even visible in the trailer), and there is a shit ton more expositional dialog in the original trailer than there is hackneyed pratfalls, gender jokes, race jokes, and uninspired dialog.

You fucking defend the longcut trailer, I dare you. I hope childish drawings of ghost bewbs are to your liking


Zentile Wrote:
What.
Ghostbusters barely had a story. And it wasn't serious.
Was it darker than this new one? Chromatically, sure. The ghosts are more colorful than before. Reminds me a lot of the Real Ghostbusters cartoon, which I loved as a kid.

Very, VERY sad to see all these bullshit complaints instead of giving this culturally relevant movie a fair chance. You didn't like the jokes? Fine, that's fair enough. But demanding that a 2 minute trailer reveal character arcs, complaining that the cast is too much like the original and then ranting about how it's nothing like the original is just ridiculous.




You have got to be joking. The story is fantastic, it's about the end of the God damned world! Four guys, who had no idea what they were getting into, become the last hope for humanity without even realizing it. You watch this and tell me that this isn't dark and serious

Ray, who has been the most enthusiastic Ghostbuster throughout the entire movie, is visibly frightened by the observation of the non-scientist everyman.

Also, stop abusing the term culturally relevant. Cultural relevance refers to something that taps into the zeitgeist of an era. Just because it has a non-traditional cast does not make it relevant or culturally significant in any way if it's just hamfistedly shoved in front of movie audiences. These things need to occur organically.

The two Ghostbusters remake trailers rely on hackneyed gags, jokes, and nostalgia rather than any sort of substance to actually bring viewers into the theatre. There is no discernible plot, no sense of urgency or drama, not even any conflict.


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07/02/2016 05:47 AM (UTC)
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- ‘Ghostbusters’ Producer Doesn’t Think Backlash To Reboot Is About Sexism

“I think there’s way too much talk about gender [when it comes to this film],” Reitman told Mashable. “I think that many of the people who were complaining were actually lovers of the [original] movie, not haters of women.” He also faults the movie’s original trailer for not making it clear that the new film is a reboot, not a remake, of the original. At the same time, he said it’s unfair to judge the entire film based on a 90-second trailer.

“I’ve certainly had my experience with things that did not work,” he told Mashable. “This movie works, [but] no one’s really seen it.”


Interesting to hear from Reitman.

Not sure how he's distinguishing a "reboot" from a remake. Strictly speaking, a reboot doesn't have to invalidate the original - it just stirs it up. I think he means it isn't a shot-for-shot remake. Which unfortunately in no way alleviates the pressure of retreading old ground in less interesting ways. I think he's right about gender, though.

Stronger talent, and a plot that acknowledges its place in the franchise really could've worked. You've already got a sequel that plays with the fickle, shortterm memory of the masses, so you don't have to worry about being saddled with stifling baggage. The guys are old and tired, nobody gives a shit, and a bunch of chicks take over the business. Great!

There's an Apatow quote [in the article] about 'haters' being Trump voters. I'm sure he's pegged a portion, but I also think Ghostbusters, Trump and Apatow all have a tough task proving they're qualified for their roles.

coltess Wrote:
Also, stop abusing the term culturally relevant. Cultural relevance refers to something that taps into the zeitgeist of an era. Just because it has a non-traditional cast does not make it relevant or culturally significant in any way if it's just hamfistedly shoved in front of movie audiences. These things need to occur organically.

To be fair, if you really had to sum up the era we're living in... Ham-fisted brand-first shitshows, tone deaf hard reboots, and hysteria focused stunt casting would have a case.
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07/02/2016 10:14 AM (UTC)
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There sure is a lot of sexist remarks out there but my main issue isnt the cast, its the script.

It blows.

Someone on Reddit a while back posted a whole detailed synopsis when, or even before, the first trailer came out that has since been validated at every turn thanks to every trailer and clip that has come since that has matched everything that was said 100%. And the issue is it sucks, the jokes he mentions that should be highlights sound terrible, the plot device is downright uninspired, the third act sounds like badly written fan fiction and the villain of the piece sounds like something that came out of a rejected studio pitch.

And this is all coming from someone who, while I like the films, wouldnt call myself a fanboy in the slightest. Everything I read screams bad screenwriting to me and it doesnt matter how pretty or fun your film is, if the script blows your movie will blow.....and boy did that synopsis stink.

So all of this playing defense by the filmmakers sounds like insecurity to me. But thats just my opinion.
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07/05/2016 08:37 AM (UTC)
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See, it's weird. Being a Ghostbusters fanboy is the only part of me that has even a shred of hope for this film. I really think it will be garbage based off of the Reddit info and how the studio treated the property and the original cast as revealed by the sony hacks (go watch Midnight's Edge's coverage of the whole fiasco). I don't want it to be garbage. I want to be wrong, I just don't think I will be. The blame for this falls squarely on the writers and Feig. I think the movie was reasonably well cast, I will admit a team of all women caught me off guard, not because of sexism, but rather that I was used to the Extreme Ghostbusters ideal of a mixed-gender team. Other than that, I was totally on board until the trailer. In fact the only male actor that I think could pull off being a Ghostbuster would be Paul Rudd, and that's post Ant-Man.


Long story short, they had a capable cast that, from what I hear loved the originals, and the writers, director, and executives that warped an existing IP to fit their desired output.

I hold no ill-will against any of the cast for this movie, if I had been asked to be in it, I'd've said "Fuck yeah, I will!" I'll even excuse Dan Aykroyd for shilling for it because Sony threatened the original cast with legal action if they didn't support the film (seriously, check out Midnight's Edge). This is totally on Feig and the executives wanting to make their own movie out of an existing property.
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07/05/2016 11:08 PM (UTC)
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coltess Wrote:
See, it's weird. Being a Ghostbusters fan boy is the only part of me that has even a shred of hope for this film. I really think it will be garbage based off of the Reddit info and how the studio treated the property and the original cast as revealed by the sony hacks (go watch Midnight's Edge's coverage of the whole fiasco). I don't want it to be garbage. I want to be wrong, I just don't think I will be. The blame for this fauls squarely on the writers and Feige. I think the movie was reasonably well cast, I will admit a team of all women caught me off guard, not because of sexism, but rather that I was used to the Extreme Ghostbusters ideal of a mixed-gender team. Other than that, I was totally on board until the trailer. In fact the only male actor that I think could pull off being a Ghostbuster would be Paul Rudd, and that's post Ant-Man.


Long story short, they had a capable cast that, from what I hear loved the originals, and the writers, director, and executives that warped an existing IP to fit their desired output.

I hold no ill-will against any of the cast for this movie, if I had been asked to be in it, I'd've said "Fuck yeah, I will!" I'll even excuse Dan Aykroyd for shilling for it because Sony threatened the original cast with legal action if they didn't support the film (seriously, check out Midnight's Edge). This is totally on Feige and the executives wanting to make their own movie out of an existing property.


Cannot agree more. This entire production is just a clusterfuck of threats, bad screenwriting and Hollyweird folk who think it's a good idea to ruin a good, dare I even say classic, IP just because they ran out of good ideas.

That Reddit posting was the initial alarm for me. Truth be told, I am no fan of Melissa McCarthy's brand of slapstick but find her personally in real life very funny and charming as well as absolutely adoring both Wigg and McKinnon. Hell, even Jones is starting to grow on me thanks to SNL, she seems genuinely really talented. But the ideas and plotting that Reddit post revealed (as soon did the trailers)....... I mean, just wow.
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07/07/2016 08:45 PM (UTC)
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i just want to see this if nothing more than for the nostalgia
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07/08/2016 03:34 AM (UTC)
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Bustin' makes me feel good!!
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07/11/2016 08:26 AM (UTC)
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Critical concensus seems to be better than expected with a "meh" which is almost poetic in regards to how both sides fought to condemn or deify this film. Now we just have to see how it handles for general audiences.
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07/11/2016 08:31 AM (UTC)
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- Every Ghostbusters cameo, reference, and Easter egg in the new movie [SPOILERS]

I don't think there are any references here that wouldn't have been infinitely more enjoyable if this was a sequel.
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07/11/2016 10:04 AM (UTC)
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I don't need to see a movie to know it's going to be awful. Which is why I'm not going to see this one. Long I've waited for a sequel only to get this steaming pile of shit.
I just heard the new remix of the theme on a radio interview right now, and I don't particularily like it.
Nowhere near the melodic resonance of the original. I don't know, it just sounds wrong. It doesn't click with me at all.

The original's beat hits, and right away it's got you movin'. This new one just sounds like any other modern crap. It sounds washed out or tinny or faded or something...



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07/22/2016 07:43 PM (UTC)
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i actually enjoyed it. yes it was kinda lame and kinda bad, but it was hilariously bad and rediculously lame in a good way, if that's possible? Lol tongue grin

It was a nice trip down nostalgia lane and though I find Melissa McCarthy not at all funny, she was decent in this movie, and everyone seemed to play well off each other



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