I always do, probably part of the reason why I've been bashed 3+ onto 1 more than once in my life

What I believe in means very much to me, I could give plenty of examples but I'll just leave my post at a simple - Yes, I have and always will, regardless of the consequences.

anubis177 Wrote: Pink_Ranger Wrote: I always stand up for what I believe in. I did it today as a matter of fact. I was out shopping with my gay husband Markus, and he's actually pretty straight acting but every now and then he has a tendency to get really flamboyant, but he's doing purposely to be funny. Well he saw this shirt in Abercrombie that he really liked and he said 'Ooo girl I gost to have me this.' and this guy called him a faggot. Markus didn't hear it, if he would've he would've taken care of that jerk all on his own, but I turned around and snapped on that close-minded, ignorant little prick! I was talking so fast, and got so heated I barely even remembered what I said. All I can remember is 'who the hell do you think you are...i am so sick of ignorant, baby dicked straight men walkin around thinkin they can say whatever the please to whom every they please about whatever they please.' I got so mad, I think I said something about his mother too. lol! People just shouldn't be so close-minded and judgemental about things they don't know about. But doesn't that guy have a right to say that?

No, he doesn't have the right to say things like that. No one has the right to judge or make fun of anyone else be it based on sexuality, race, gender, weight, style, etc. But I guess its too much to expect people to be open minded, respectful, and considerate of other people like I am. What I said to that man he had coming, and anyone who makes fun of my friends are gonna be treated in the same manner as how they treated my friends because they actually deserve that kind of treatment.

GeorgeJung Wrote: Pink_Ranger Wrote: I always stand up for what I believe in. I did it today as a matter of fact. I was out shopping with my gay husband Markus, and he's actually pretty straight acting but every now and then he has a tendency to get really flamboyant, but he's doing purposely to be funny. Well he saw this shirt in Abercrombie that he really liked and he said 'Ooo girl I gost to have me this.' and this guy called him a faggot. Markus didn't hear it, if he would've he would've taken care of that jerk all on his own, but I turned around and snapped on that close-minded, ignorant little prick! I was talking so fast, and got so heated I barely even remembered what I said. All I can remember is 'who the hell do you think you are...i am so sick of ignorant, baby dicked straight men walkin around thinkin they can say whatever the please to whom every they please about whatever they please.' I got so mad, I think I said something about his mother too. lol! People just shouldn't be so close-minded and judgemental about things they don't know about. Oh man.....sigh, well I would stand up for what I belive in but youd get mad and talk shit on me and my momma.

You can feel free to believe whatever you want, but don't think for a second that my popularity on this website has on any grounding on my opinions or my being right or wrong. I strong believe that no one has the right to hurt someone else. You have no right at all to make fun of somebody, just like they have no right at all to make fun of you. Whether or not you believe homosexuality, or whatever your beliefs are on this sub-topic, is morally or socially correct is completely irrelevant. I stood up for I believe and I will not falter on that. Popular or not I'm gonna say, and do, and stand up for what I believe in, and if people agree with me thats great. But if not, that's not gonna stop me.

I'm not saying he should have said it, but he does have the right to voice his opinion regardless of how rude or offensive it may be. Also, you do know there are people out there that disagrees with his life style, but are not rude or offensive about it, right?

anubis177 Wrote: I'm not saying he should have said it, but he does have the right to voice his opinion regardless of how rude or offensive it may be. Also, you do know there are people out there that disagrees with his life style, but are not rude or offensive about it, right?

I will agree that he has the right to voice his opinion. But calling my friend a 'faggot' is not voicing his opinion. Calling my friend a 'faggot' is being cruel, hateful, and ignorant. Voicing your opinion or stating your beliefs is an thisthingisdisabled I won't deny anyone and will fully listen to anyones arguements, but not if they're brought up in a hateful and childish manner. He was wrong for he said, and I made it very clear to him that what he said to my friend was wrong.

And yes, I'm very much aware that they're are anti-homosexual people who are not as ignorant about their viewpoints. When it comes to homosexuality, I know what I'm talking about, I know the statistics, I know the facts, I know the rumors, and I know the lies, so please do not think that you're making some oustanding point that has never crossed my mind before. And I'm not saying this to you in a rude manner or attempting to be rude in any fashion. Once you're around this site for a little while longer you'll see I'm one of the nicest people here, so I will apologize if what I am saying is sounding rude. I don't mean it to be.

Simply put you should treat others how you want to be treated. And there's no way you can ever justify calling someone a horrible name or hurting someone else's feelings.

Pink_Ranger Wrote: You have no right at all to make fun of somebody, just like they have no right at all to make fun of you. Whether or not you believe homosexuality, or whatever your beliefs are on this sub-topic, is morally or socially correct is completely irrelevant. I stood up for I believe and I will not falter on that. Popular or not I'm gonna say, and do, and stand up for what I believe in, and if people agree with me thats great. But if not, that's not gonna stop me.

Actually, unless it puts people in physical danger (ie. shouting "fire!" in a crowded theatre) or is slanderous of someone, people (in America at least) have the right to say whatever they want. We have the constitutional right to insult people. Of course, there's a difference between a "legal" right and a "moral" right. I agree with you that no one has the moral right to make fun of people like that guy did, but the first ammendent gives him the legal right to say what he said.

Anyway, on to the original question. If someone says someone or something is "gay," or calls someone a "fag," I'll tell them that they shouldn't use homosexuality in a derogatory context like that, and to be more sensitive to gays. In fact, I often do so on these forums. Also, one time in high school a friend of mine almost got beaten up for wearing an Anti-Flag (an anti-nationalist/fascist punk band) shirt, and a friend of his came to his aid. There was a big fight, and the guy who fought for my friend got in a lot of trouble; Anti-Flag shirts were also banned from school. Anyway, one day I heard some kids I knew talking about the incident (one of which almost beat up my friend), talking shit about the guy who stood up for my friend. I confronted them, defending his actions. But being a bunch of brain-dead jocks (who, incidentally, didn't even know Anti-Flag was a band), I was pretty much shouted down.

PinkRanger, are you gay or bi? Cause I thought it was a little out of place to have three women in the signature of a gay guy's post.

barakao1 Wrote: PinkRanger, are you gay or bi? Cause I thought it was a little out of place to have three women in the signature of a gay guy's post.

I'm a girl..and I'm heterosexual. My signature (Shout out to Hyuga for his amazing job on it btw) is based off an inside joke with me and three other forum members. Slica, Kitana4ever (Andrea), and Yellow_Ranger (Racheal).

If I have upset you in any way then I am very sorry.I have no intention of judging anyone for any reason. I'm just trying to understand your argument, and I have . It is not my nature, or my religious belief, to judge people regardless what the reason, even if I disagree with them. This has been a very mature debate, you don't find that much on message boards.

*bows* This has been a good conversation.

anubis177

anubis177 Wrote: If I have upset you in any way then I am very sorry.I have no intention of judging anyone for any reason. I'm just trying to understand your argument, and I have . It is not my nature, or my religious belief, to judge people regardless what the reason, even if I disagree with them. This has been a very mature debate, you don't find that much on message boards. *bows* This has been a good conversation. anubis177

I agree it has. Anytime you wanna talk feel free to message me! Anyways though, sorry Garlie for getting your thread off topic, lets move on shall we?

Ok, cool. same to you too .

Wait a second, your a girl and your married to a homosexual guy? Im so confused.

GeorgeJung Wrote: Wait a second, your a girl and your married to a homosexual guy? Im so confused.

Umm...No! 'Gay Husband' is just a term for your gay bestfriend. I have four other gay boyfriends and I have three gay girlfriends. Its not literal boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, or wives, its simply a cute little title.

i do, im not going to sit down and let some one bash what i believe but, its not like im going to ram them down peoples throats, and i listen and take on board other peoples believes.

This has been pretty interesting. Suddenly, without people noticing it, people are standing up for what they believe in in my thread about "standing up for what you believe in". Oh, the irony.
Still, I feel compelled to get into this scuffle.
I get so sick and tired of people saying "I have a right to say whatever I want". They just go around saying "if I wanna call this guy a fag, I can. If I wanna call this girl a slut, I can." No you can't! Freedom of speech is not as "free" as people say it is. You can't say "I'll kill you" to a cop; you'd get arrested! You can't say "bomb" on an airplane. You can't call a black guy a nigger, either. You know why? Because those termanologies are for ignorant fools without higher respect for others. If you have no respect for others, then I have none for you.
I will say this bluntly and clearly: I do not approve of bi or gay lifestyles. However, that doesn't mean I hate gay or bi people. In fact, I have several gay and bi friends. I hate their lifestyle, but I love them as people, and I respect their stand. They know how I feel as well, but the bonds of love between us are deeper than that and mere stereo-types. We all have faults, I think, and controversy in our lives. What seems right to someone is so wrong to another. For example, my stand on sex: it's unnecessary. No, I'm not crazy. I think that if you HAVE to have sex to prove love, then your in a dangerous relationship. Love is proven in smaller things, in acts of kindness and self-sacrifice, rather than physical satisfaction. All this talk of it being "special" is true, but how special can something be that is so freely given away now-a-days? On a lesser degree, kisses are thrown around like names of by-standers, and the granduer of real love, the love sacrifice, is becoming lost. You want to know my stance on love? NEVER think of yourself. Only of the other person. Do whatever it takes to make HER happy. If it costs all you have, everything you own and have spent your life yearning for, if you truly love someone, you'll forfeit it all. That's my version of love (and may explain why girls say I'm too "heavy" on the topic), but that's my stance. That's what I believe in. You look past weakness and errors and see people for who they are on the inside. Physical beauty is fleeting and brief, but the beauty of a sweet, kind woman is a prize greater than any riches or a thousand cute-but-morally-weak women. Think about it, good, long, and hard, and decide for yourself.

Wow. I've rambled on. Sorry. Um... carry on.
Fatality.

Many of U guys stated Ur opinions on gay ppl, so here's mine:
I really don't care if a person is gay or not, as long as he/she is not hurting anyone. It's thier choice of lifestyle, thier choice of sex.

Adam Corrolla of the radio show 'LoveLine' said: "I wish more ppl were gay. They take better care of themselves, they are less violent, they care more for the environment, and most importantly: THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS."

Garlador Wrote: This has been pretty interesting. Suddenly, without people noticing it, people are standing up for what they believe in in my thread about "standing up for what you believe in". Oh, the irony. Still, I feel compelled to get into this scuffle. I get so sick and tired of people saying "I have a right to say whatever I want". They just go around saying "if I wanna call this guy a fag, I can. If I wanna call this girl a slut, I can." No you can't! Freedom of speech is not as "free" as people say it is. You can't say "I'll kill you" to a cop; you'd get arrested! You can't say "bomb" on an airplane. You can't call a black guy a nigger, either. You know why? Because those termanologies are for ignorant fools without higher respect for others. If you have no respect for others, then I have none for you. I will say this bluntly and clearly: I do not approve of bi or gay lifestyles. However, that doesn't mean I hate gay or bi people. In fact, I have several gay and bi friends. I hate their lifestyle, but I love them as people, and I respect their stand. They know how I feel as well, but the bonds of love between us are deeper than that and mere stereo-types. We all have faults, I think, and controversy in our lives. What seems right to someone is so wrong to another. For example, my stand on sex: it's unnecessary. No, I'm not crazy. I think that if you HAVE to have sex to prove love, then your in a dangerous relationship. Love is proven in smaller things, in acts of kindness and self-sacrifice, rather than physical satisfaction. All this talk of it being "special" is true, but how special can something be that is so freely given away now-a-days? On a lesser degree, kisses are thrown around like names of by-standers, and the granduer of real love, the love sacrifice, is becoming lost. You want to know my stance on love? NEVER think of yourself. Only of the other person. Do whatever it takes to make HER happy. If it costs all you have, everything you own and have spent your life yearning for, if you truly love someone, you'll forfeit it all. That's my version of love (and may explain why girls say I'm too "heavy" on the topic), but that's my stance. That's what I believe in. You look past weakness and errors and see people for who they are on the inside. Physical beauty is fleeting and brief, but the beauty of a sweet, kind woman is a prize greater than any riches or a thousand cute-but-morally-weak women. Think about it, good, long, and hard, and decide for yourself. Wow. I've rambled on. Sorry. Um... carry on. Fatality.

What you just said is pretty much how I feel.