that physical thing was affected by genes! im just trying to come up w/ a way to explan to people y i am the way i am.. some people have a hard time understanding that i never choose this. i am what i am..i never have found a female attractive..i can never love a women like that. only a man..

krackerjack Wrote: Thats a physical thing though, i really don't see how genes could affect somebodys brain/thought patterns, other than to affect potential intellegence.

danadbab Wrote: that physical thing was affected by genes! im just trying to come up w/ a way to explan to people y i am the way i am.. some people have a hard time understanding that i never choose this. i am what i am..i never have found a female attractive..i can never love a women like that. only a man..

Hmmm, i see we're not really understanding each other here, but it doesn't really matter. I think this whole conversation is just too difficult too have online, or at least on this website anyway.

TRUE..u have a point there..especially w/ all the youngins..

krackerjack Wrote: danadbab Wrote: that physical thing was affected by genes! im just trying to come up w/ a way to explan to people y i am the way i am.. some people have a hard time understanding that i never choose this. i am what i am..i never have found a female attractive..i can never love a women like that. only a man.. Hmmm, i see we're not really understanding each other here, but it doesn't really matter. I think this whole conversation is just too difficult too have online, or at least on this website anyway.

No comment.

There, I got my 2 cents in!

in my opinion a persons sexuallity is determined by lifestyle

The whole idea of blaming a person for something that is
a) Personnal
b)Sometning they have to cope with every day
c)Could be genetic, could be depending of the lifestyle of a person

... is not to us to judge.
Plus, what irritates me most is when people use God as an excuse to prove themself.

The same thing could be ask to those who say "Prove the fact that it's genetic" by saying "Prove God exist with no doubt... and a real proof, not some sort of Faith"

someone said this conversastion is to intense for a forum discussion. I agree. though, for once it's an important debate.
To me, acceptance is impossible. tolerance though is the key.

Caus if we want the gay death...Why not the black people too, and why not the Boudism too, and why not thos who prefer Lord of the Ring than Harry Potter.

What shock me oo is that, many of those who preach the Lord words wants the Gay men to die an horrible death. What up with that.

And the rest of the real guy says man to man sexuality is wrong but female to femle is... entertaining. Those are the sick ones. IMO.

My point was not to diss anyone, essepcialy not the religious ones caus I tolerate everyone in there beleives, as long as it doesn't come to bug me in my daily, personal life.

Thanks

1st please dont turn this in to a "god" thing.. now that u did i must rebuttal... so ur saying gods gonna let people be born w/ male and female parts? they r born every day.. its time to wake up and smell the coffee!! so did u choose to like women? no..it came natural to u..obviously u will never understand till u walk a day in my shoes.. till then it looks like u'll have ur view.. and ill know the TRUTH!!

Raiden_is_god Wrote: danadbab Wrote: 1-thank u crow for not closing this thread. I don’t get upset when people call me a faggot i find it funny.. 2- faggot means- A bundle of twigs, sticks, or branches bound together. A bundle of pieces of iron or steel to be welded or hammered into bars. 3-i know a lot of gay people don’t agree w/ me because a lot of gay men and women don’t want to be considered “freaks of NATURE!” but gay people r born gay,its just genetics while us gay/bi guys/gals r in the womb of our mother, gen “a” gets mixed w/ gen “b”.. just think of hermaphroditism? If u don’t know what it means- The union of the two sexes in the same individual, or the combination of some of their characteristics or organs in one individual. I quote this “the combination of some of their characteristics” meaning gay men find what “only females r suppose to find attractive.. or lesbians find what only men r suppose to be attracted to WE do not choose to be different we r what we r live w/ it!!.. EVERY ONE is born different w/ our own unique personalites, feelings, look , shape,color,and gender.. Ur absolutley wrong and the most fucked up person I no IF ur gonna believe its ur genes fault. You own sexuality is based on the way u live and ur own free will. Thats bullshit that ur born that way its ur own damn fault ur that way. Think of this DAN God forbids homosexuality yet he's gonna let u born gay no way. Thats fucking BS there its just a damn excuse that gays use it;s never there fault its I can't help it I say this because I don;t want to be made fun of. WELL GROW THE FUCK UP. Realise its ur fault stop blaming it on ur genes ur genes don;t chose ur sexuality u do. Grow a set stand up blame it on ur self and be a man I hate all gays who do that only gays i don;t hate r the ones that don;t care and blame it on thereselfs

Raiden_is_god Wrote: danadbab Wrote: 1-thank u crow for not closing this thread. I don’t get upset when people call me a faggot i find it funny.. 2- faggot means- A bundle of twigs, sticks, or branches bound together. A bundle of pieces of iron or steel to be welded or hammered into bars. 3-i know a lot of gay people don’t agree w/ me because a lot of gay men and women don’t want to be considered “freaks of NATURE!” but gay people r born gay,its just genetics while us gay/bi guys/gals r in the womb of our mother, gen “a” gets mixed w/ gen “b”.. just think of hermaphroditism? If u don’t know what it means- The union of the two sexes in the same individual, or the combination of some of their characteristics or organs in one individual. I quote this “the combination of some of their characteristics” meaning gay men find what “only females r suppose to find attractive.. or lesbians find what only men r suppose to be attracted to WE do not choose to be different we r what we r live w/ it!!.. EVERY ONE is born different w/ our own unique personalites, feelings, look , shape,color,and gender.. Ur absolutley wrong and the most fucked up person I no IF ur gonna believe its ur genes fault. You own sexuality is based on the way u live and ur own free will. Thats bullshit that ur born that way its ur own damn fault ur that way. Think of this DAN God forbids homosexuality yet he's gonna let u born gay no way. Thats fucking BS there its just a damn excuse that gays use it;s never there fault its I can't help it I say this because I don;t want to be made fun of. WELL GROW THE FUCK UP. Realise its ur fault stop blaming it on ur genes ur genes don;t chose ur sexuality u do. Grow a set stand up blame it on ur self and be a man I hate all gays who do that only gays i don;t hate r the ones that don;t care and blame it on thereselfs

I think you are blaming your religion for your apathy. I'm sorry, you are calling people fucked up, thick, dumb, its all too offensive to take notice of.

I am not gay, I have absolutely no problem with homosexuals, i like people for who they are and the way they act towards me...if a person is decent, who am i to question there sexual preference?

You talk about homosexual as if you are selecting an item of clothing to wear...it's not that simple. Why do you fancy women? Did you choose to, or do you just simply feel that way? To say someone being gay is there own fault is absolutely pathetic.

I tend to believe in something that is close to paganistic ways. To me quoting the bible means absolutely nothing...therefore i see and believe with my own eyes. I am not dissing your faith, I am saying what i believe. But to be so ignorant to the way other people are and feel is obscene. Respect isn't alot to ask for from another human being surely? I am saying think before you rant...there are people who will be offended, hurt and disrespected from what you are saying. I am also well educated, having a university degree, and have always had a sound upbringing, so when you call me dumb or stupid, I find it really ignorant and rude. I don't want to sound all pious, but i'm thankful for the outlook on life that i have and pity those who cannot or refuse to be as open minded and courteous as I can be.

I'm in a bad mood, don't feel like using rational arguments, and I don't care how many skull points I get.


Siduu101 and Raiden_is_god, you're both generally retarded, don't know how to argue, don't know what the fuck you're talking about, stupid because you like to say shit about stuff and people that don't matter, apply or even care about you, and you both need some kind person to come along and kick you in your respective throats.

Have a nice day!

Thank you,I'm very appreciative of your effort.

KrackerJack, I just wanted to say thanks for being one of the few mature anti-gay people here.

I personally believe people are born gay/bisexual/straight. Much the same way that people can be born smart/stupid, with/without a speech impediment, good/evil.

Sorry guys, sometimes you're born with certain feelings that you just can't control. That's how the brain works. And until you can learn to accept a gay person for who he/she is, you're no better than Hitler.

ElderGodSmack Wrote: KrackerJack, I just wanted to say thanks for being one of the few mature anti-gay people here. font>

Thanks, but i'm not anti-gay at all, and i didn't mean to come off that way. I am however curious as to what makes homosexuals "homosexual" to begin with, but i do get the feeling it isn't to do with genes or the way you were born.

krackerjack Wrote: ElderGodSmack Wrote: KrackerJack, I just wanted to say thanks for being one of the few mature anti-gay people here. font> Thanks, but i'm not anti-gay at all, and i didn't mean to come off that way. I am however curious as to what makes homosexuals "homosexual" to begin with, but i do get the feeling it isn't to do with genes or the way you were born.

Oops. I had forgotten how I interpreted your post. Anyway, what I mean was you were at least mature about it, and that's a-ok.

Raiden_is_god Wrote: Thanks now I know what a gay guy thinks about me do u think I care Hell No. Im not in the fucking mood and ain;t gonna get put down by a gay guy who has the courge to call me a retard but doesn;t have the balls to say it;s his own fault for being gay. It's my genes thats why Im gay grow the fuck up u didn;t even support why Im a retard u have the free will to have a man or a woman u chose men (sick in my eyes really). But u did it in ur own will ur gonna tell me a baby at 2 yrs olds genes are gonna make him gay no its ur own fault ur just attracted to guys more then girls.

This is rich.

Look, you fucking defect. Are you gay? No. I didn't think so.

You have no fucking clue what it is to be gay, and I highly suggest that you stop telling me about my lifestyle and what I should go about doing with it. There's shit in my life I guarantee you're wholly incapable of understanding and my homosexuality sure as hell is one of them.

Do you REALLY think homosexuality is a choice? Do you think I really WANT to be gay? Do you think it's fun having to be ostracized, humiliated, and persecuted? Do you think I fucking enjoy having to put up with idiots like you every day? If I had a fucking choice, I wouldn't be gay. I don't want anyone to be gay, because I don't want anyone to have to go through what it is to be a homosexual. I wouldn't even want YOU to go through it, and I'm guessing through this post you can just about see how little I like you, so that should tell you something.

Although I daresay it would be interesting to see you go through it. You'd probably use another half-assed, completely misinformed argument to defend it to someone else who's just as ignorant as you.

Being gay is determined by the chemicals in your brain. And is also triggered by the lifestyle that person may lead but doesn't necessarily mean that is going to cause you to turn gay. The chemicals on the other hand react when a person goes through puberty. This will let you know who you are. As a straight person, its obviously makes you attracted to women as for a gay person, they will be attracted to their same gender. Some people are secretive about their sexuality so you may never know, say if the person was a straight acting gay.

If you want proof, look it up on google or somewhere!

I for one think Homophobia is stupid, and for those close minded people who are anti-gay and have the nerve to diss someone for who they are, especially a gay person, they are just plain wrong. You are not the only person in this world and although this is a forum and post what you think. Plus you don't own the world, because there are other people who live on Earth too so don't think you're all that because you're not. It only makes you look bad to the rest of us. It's not nice to say that gay's should die or have something horrible happen to them just because you are not gay. Put yourself in their shoes and think how it will affect them mentally and physically, I think you don't want to be the one responsible for people to kill themselves, carrying that burben with you the rest of your life. Gay people are some of the most interesting people around, I bet you can't go even a day without talking or thinking about someone being gay, like "Oh, he is prety cute." Or for the homophobes "Look at the stupid fag! I'm gonna beat up that fairy" (no offence). I for one respect gay people no matter who they are with the exception that they are not over the top gay. I'd say I wouldn't be putting any hatred on gay people with religion because that proves that you aren't being respectful to gay's, and you do want to be a good person or down to hell you go. It's not their fault for being gay, it might not feel right for a gay man to fall in love with a woman hence the chemical reaction, not because they chose to not fall in love with her. So your primitive theory has been blown out of the water. (Is that clear. If not, I'll have you assasinated by Kitana!) It's like saying if a criminal mastermind hacked into a computer and stole all your data and suddenly a gay man walks passed, you'd rather have the gay man killed than that criminal mastermind. I guess it's your own fault for not accepting gay's into the community, one less person to deal with, one less friend to rely on. It is you that will be missing out because you CHOOSE to hate gay's. It's not because it's their fault. Being a homophobe, you can't blame this on genes or chemicals in you brain. It's your choice to hate them. No one is to blame but yourself. I HOPE THAT MAKES IT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR THOSE HOMOPHOBES OUT THERE!

Sometimes I ask myself how would these homophobic-ish" people wouls react when ther child could say:
"M'ma, P'pa, I'm gay!"

What a shock hein? Welcome to the real world!

So this latest thing I saw on Discovery or one of those documentary channels says that the latest studies are suggesting this.

All embryos are initially female. It is determined somewhere early on that a fetus receives specific chromosomes and such to become male, so we are start out as female. Continuing on it stated that while the normal male will get the correct brain information to go with the male body it has been programmed to get, the gay male doesn't necessarily get all this information and therefore continues to process on a moew female scale. Depending on the amount of "male" information the brain receives in developement determines how masculine or feminine the person will be. This is why there are some really feminine gay guys and some that are more masculine. But all in all according to this study the fact of being gay or not is developmental and not a choice. Being gay as a choice hasn't been a thought for years. The only people that think being gay is a choice are ignorant people that refuse to educate themselves because then they would have to bring themselves into an understanding of a group of people they don't want to identify with. Those poor sad sad hicks....I mean people.

And I am through!

Christ, Raiden_is_god is an idiot.

I'll disown him/her.

Sindel_Fan Wrote: Sometimes I ask myself how would these homophobic-ish" people wouls react when ther child could say: "M'ma, P'pa, I'm gay!" What a shock hein? Welcome to the real world!

DMitch Wrote: I'll disown him/her.

It's easy to say that, now, when you don't have any kids and don't know what it is to love one. And once/if you do go down that path and still have it in you to disown them...well congratulations, you've just become a completely horrible parent.

To the homophobes in this thread; either live with it or back off and say nothing. There will always be gays/lesbians/bisexuals in this world, and if you can't get over it, just back off and brood somewhere in a corner. I have a few friends who are homosexual, and they aren't bad people. What makes gays/lesbians/bisexuals so "wrong" to some people?

On topic, if I was gay, I'd try to date Tom Cruise.