Deception only won because it had no competition that year, If it came out this year the garbage would of lost.

LOL,wow,just wow,tekken guy and the guy before him,i have this to say to both of you,your both really drawing with strws now,seriously LOL,MK rules admit it,and i do belive that DOA is not a bad game MK is just better ,and SF,guilty gear,and DOA competed agaonst MK,so don't give me that bullshit garbage talk about Deception having no competition.You two genius's just won't man up to the fact that Deception is a great fun game to play with,Tekken 5 years,thats all i hear bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,bla,the framerates wont keep up,bla,bla,bla,.please,NEWS FLASH PEOPLE,We are in a new Generation with new consoles more than capable of handling online play,id games like SF and Deception can go online like that!!!!!Then Tekken can too,the makers are just pansies,and all they are worried about is great gameplay in a two player vs mode.Thats bullshit if im a tekken fan,that and that alone is one reason among others why i hate tekken,if im a fan of the series,i want online play.You as a videogame creator have a duty to please your fans besides putting out a solid game.MK has done this,Sf has done this,DOA has done this,not tekken though,not soul calibur,until the both of these titles go online,which at this rate will be never,i cannot and will not respect either of these two games.

And the funny part about your claims about the Deception thing being great because of the 3 modes,well thats part of it but not all of it.I play it online every night for the XBOX,ok and guess what i see hundreds and hundreds of people every night [playing the KOMBAT mode,not the chess,not the puzzle.....the kombat!!!!!!!So you two guys can keep copying from each others post to attempt to win this arguement,but you just have to accept the facts,MK's a great game,tekkens and soul calibur are the same damn thing over and over and over again,will they ever drastically change,doubt it.

And the last time i checked i do belive that soul calibur and tekken both offer multiple modes of play.So hhhmmmmmmmmm,i guess MK's extra modes help MK win all of those rewards,but yet tekken and soul caliburs extras are garbage then,since you both neglected to mention it,but yet praise them,hhmmmmm...can you say hypocrite.

Me.

Cervantes is dead too.

And how is SF dead? They just brought SF2 and SF3 online for xbox this year. Yeah they are older games (that and them being in a collection disqualify SFAC from being fighting game of the year) but they still really hold up today and SF 3 is still the deepest 2-d game out there (and deeper than most 3-d games, like MKD). I am sure Capcom will bring out a SF 4 (they definitly won't let SF die), it is just not going to be anytime soon.

I would love to see tekken online (and SC). But just because they are not doesn't mean they suck. Hell, Tekken 5 is getting excellent ratings and is higher than MKD on gamerankings.com. For something that "sucks" because of no online play, it is doing pretty damn good in ratings and sales (but in reality it sucks, right?).

Wowsers!

Granted its doing well,tekken,im stating the facts about MK guys,sektor guy,i wasn;t talking to you dude,unless you bashed MK or said that Tekken ,doa is better than MK,SF in the newer sence is dead,no new games,i like Sf,i just love MK more,i have the SF :AE its great,but you cant tell me that DOA online and tekken just 2 player beats Deception or SF online.Online=funoffline =lame.Only because we are in new generations of consoles now,Tekken,soul calibur,simply cannot keep up online wise.Trust me now one is more pissed than me in the go online idea,im a nintendo guy and xbox,and to finally hear that Nintendo is finally going to go online after deciding that it must in order to survive,is all because of online gaming.The future of online gaming is essential for all three companies.So to hear that another good tekken game is out and its not online for lame reasons really sucks.I'll be honest,i never came on hear saying that Tekken is the worst game in the world,i only said negative shit about it because people have to say negative shit about MK, because people are going to make up the dumbest excuses to bash Deception for its success,where the reality is they are jealous of MK because DOA or SF didn't win.Or whatever game they like,im sure this year Tekken will win the best fighter of the year award for 2005 since theirs no other fighters to come out this year 2005.I just love MK ok,you guys can like tekken,doa,SF whatever,i love MK and whether you like it or not MK is the best fighter of 2004!!!!!!!Its got fans,awards,popularity,and sweet gamplay online to back it up,so please just accept it and move on like a man,for all you tekken fans out there,don't worry or cry much longer because im sure for 2005 tekken will take the cake,i just hope the next tekken game will be online,it can only make it better.

And to the soul calibur guy,cervantes is the guy that has a similiar story line to scorpion right???I'm thinking of the guy that looks like the gay vega,my fault.LOL

Regardless if it did win an award, or at the very least, became your favorite fighting series, that statement might seem ridiculous to some people.

DOA is better than MK.

I think regardless of any lag, the Tekken/Soul series should go online (as well as VF). SF3 is a frame-intensive technical fighter (not as much as the 3D fighters I mentioned above), and noticeable lag is practically non-existent on good connections. Sure, there are some timing differences, but I wouldn't axe the online play over it. Just get used to it or play it offline...it's that simple.

Lag is always going to be there. Like SF3 (and GGX2/SVC Chaos/CVS2/DOAU), for those that can deal with the lag, the online is there. For those that prefer the 100% accuracy of offline play, it's there for them to play. There are plenty of people who want it to be online, so let them have it.

Your thinking of voldo (guy with claws, contortionist, wears a costume that makes him look like a sex slave).

Anyway, no one is jealous that MK won those awards. Hell, I would love for MK to be better than Tekken, VF, and Soul Calibur. But fact is, when it comes to the fighting aspects of all these games, MK doesn't come close to any of them (even if they fixed all the infinites, glitches, and balancing issues the game is still way to shallow and stiff). All I want (and many other fans want) is for MK to improve its gameplay so it can compete with those games (and I said compete, I am not saying I want MK to become tekken). I don't want Mk to win an award because it has minigames and fatalities or because there was no competition that year. I want MK to win "best fighting game of the year" because it kicks ass as a fighting game. Now even though you like MKD, you have to admit that MK has more potential for a better fighting game. They could incorporate a characters special ability in their fighting style (they could come up with many moves using scorpions spear (especially throws) or sub-zero's ice power) and if they would differentiate hand-to-hand and weapon styles (giving them both advantages and disadvantes and making them both deep) they could create a truley original and kickass fighting game (one that would probably change the way fighting games are looked at in the future). But all this has a very slim chance of happening, and those awards only makes those chances slimmer.

Son of 1000maniacs,i totally respect your opinion,i hope youcan respect mine as well,i'll admit MK has more potential,but it did well enough,i know it has infinites,glitches,but every fighter has some of those,give ame a week with tekken5,soul calibur,or DOA and i'll find glitches in them,no game is perfect not MK,not sc,not doa,not tekken,not SF.Ok,And it is a fact that by majority of fans,editors,and sales totals that Deception takes the cake above DOA,above SF,im sorry if this hurts you doa or SFhonor,but like i said before 2004 best fighter MK,ok for those of you who insist that DOA is better,show me the awards,the sales,and the popularity,it doesn't even come close to MK,and neither does SC,Tekken and SF still have plenty of life left as does MK.

I guarantee you if your game won,lets say DOA for example,then a lot of DOA fans/fighting fans would come on here bragging about it.Its the best 2004 title,and you know what i would gladly admit that say doa won ,that its obviously a good game,but it didn't mk won,deal with it people,im sorry for sounding harsh,but im really getting pissed off of people not giving MK the credit it rightfully deserves!!!!!And people on MKONLINE no less bashing MK,if i were a moderator i would ban people like that,oh i think i'll come online and just bash MK,even though its a good game and it won plenty of awards,and it sold well,i'll still bash it because my fighting game didn't win,whhaaaa,wwwwwhhhhhaaaaaaa,wwwwwwhhhhhhhaaaaa.

Like i said,i'll simply let the reveiws speak for themselves,thats it,im tired of talking to people that are like talking to a wall.

Hahahahaha!!

I don't know why I bother with your posts. I don't think you can be older thatn 5 with the statements you make and you simply don't have a clue what you are talking about and what understand anything I say but well others will so lets get to it.

Ok your theory about "rayden"(it's raiden btw) are not even half thought out. In tekken 3 paul defeated Toshin, the god of fight. He leaves and True toshin appears and jin shows up and defeats him. So you're telling me the god of thunder is going to defeat somebody who defeated the god of fighting? Uh no he's the god of fighting for a reason. If Jin can take him he can take raiden and that's not even getting into devil jin.

Now tekken was online with the third installment. Thats right you can play tekken 3 online and guess what it sucks. It sucks bad. It's really really a bad game online but hey keep saying it sucks cuz it hasn't gone online yet show your own ignorance.



You may not believe that doa is a bad game but I'd like to point out the fact that there have been two major tournaments won by people who basicly mashed. The first was sponsored by doa creators and had a big prize and it was won by somebody who had played for 2 weeks and mashed basic hayate combos. The other was won by a guy spamming a move with ein over and over. This seems to discredit your opinion that it's a good game. Tekken has never had a major tournament won by a masher. You might even be hardpressed to find minor tournaments with nobody good in them won by mashers but you can with doa.

As for it's competition in the awards department. Well SF, GG, DOA were all rehashes. Most people didn't credit them because of that. They had differences but they were fundamentally the same game.
Now here's one of them thar things you won't understand. See you said this:

NEWS FLASH PEOPLE,We are in a new Generation with new consoles more than capable of handling online play,id games like SF and Deception can go online like that!!!!!

Ok check this out:

NEWS FLASH: THE REASON TEKKEN DOESN'T WORK ONLINE HAS NOTHING, 0, ZILCH TO DO WITH THE CONSOLE. YES YOU READ IT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONSOLE. YOU SEE IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE INTERNET. ON THE BEST POSSIBLE CONNECTION YOU ARE GOING TO SEE PROBABLY 9 FRAMES OF LAG ONLY 1/6TH OF A SECOND BUT THATS STILL ENOUGH TO BREAK TEKKEN. If you don't believe this play doau online. Strings that are totally unsafe offline that can be interupted or retaliated against are 100% safe online. I know it's hard concept for you but having online play is something that will change the game GREATLY. you see if tekken 5 were online and you were the #1 ranked player in the country and you travel to EVO 2k5 and you played I'd say you'd be lucky to make it out of the first round and you wouldn't have any shot at winning the tournament at all. Why you ask? Because you wouldn't be playing the same game. You would be doing things that are safe online but are not even close to safe offline. In fact most offline players there would laugh at you and you'd probably lose a lot of money in money matches your mouth got you into thinking you were good cuz you were the best online player. Oh yes the change between online and offline would be that drastic for a game like tekken.

I know it's difficult to understand but the tekken fans overall are not for it being online. They realize that it wouldn't be the same game and wouldn't be nearly as fun so they are content to wait for technology to become advanced enough that it is playable. if you can get it down to max 4 frames of lag it could work. even 1 frame of lag, thats right 1/60th of a second, can change tekken. Suddenly you can't juggle after a low parry suddenly you can't punish a move suddenly a juggle no longer works.

Again you show your ignorance tekken 3 was online and it sucked but hey keep saying it hasn't been online.

It's funny, cuz I read a preview of tekken 5 where the mag said they would rather play tekken 5 offline than ANY fighting game online. Kinda funny that the mags you point to also say hey we'd still rather play tekken but you keep up with your tekken sucks theory while it outsells mk badly.


So you two guys can keep copying from each others post to attempt to win this arguement,but you just have to accept the facts,MK's a great game,tekkens and soul calibur are the same damn thing over and over and over again,will they ever drastically change,doubt it.


now I love that quote. If Mk is a great game and tekken is the same thing over and over why did tekken sell 70k units in 3 days(north america only) and MK sells 200k units(ps2) in 5 months? It's total units is max 500k and thats being generous. Tekken on ps2 alone will likely eclipse this mark for MK over 3 systems. Yet it's the same thing over and over and MK is better right? Why do more people buy tekken if it sucks so much? Why does it consistantly outsell any other fighting game? Face the facts tekken is a great game and MK just doesn't measure up.

Tekken's extra modes are often ignored. They are not needed to make the game great. They are extras and nothing more. There is no requirement to play them but they are there if you want to. MK forced you to play a bland action/adventure/rpg mode that had no action, adventure, or rpg. Which would you rather play?



You're stating facts about nothing mk or tekken. Now you lie about what you came on here saying. You go girl.

People say negative things about MK and back them up with hard facts that are irrefutable. You come on here and make up things to bash tekken for and tekken still manages to outsell mk and just shoots holes in your theory. I know you think the reasons tekken isn't online are lame but then again you don't even understand what any of those reasons are. It's beyond your comprehension. You don't even realize that MK is better online than offline. You don't realize it's so broken that online lag actually IMPROVES the game. When you compare it to tekken you see ofline isn't broken in any way. So if it were online it would be broken suddenly it wouldn't work it doesn't have ridiculous use of frames like mk to make it seem better online it has normal use of frames. If tekken had -30 frames to a jab hey it would be a lot better online but namco realized that it was just stupid so decided to make a playable game instead of trying to make it bad so that it seemed better online. Keep thinking that the only reason tekken will win is because no other fighter comes out this year. I think it's a safe bet that since it will outsell mk that it would beat mk. In fact since MK was released for the gamecube it would be up for a vote this year too.



Cept that it would suddenly become as bad online as deception is offline.

First off,im not competeing with you to write the first book online in MK,people are not even answering my question?????In the opic at hand,someone stated that Tekkens better tham mk,bla,bla,bl,I have this to say you can keep defending you onlineless tekken,let it survive on a few meaningless tournaments here and there,Tekken wish's it had the kind of success that MK has,starting from the beginning,not to mention that lets see here,Deception came out in October 2004 7 months ago,ok,it sold well,out selling DOA,and this is a fact because i have read the alses charts,plus they mention it in one of the MKonline news posts,when they interview the creators about it.And Tekken came out what a month or go or so,of course Tekkens going to sell more of late genius,this year,because everybody has already got MK DUHHH??????7 month difference buddy,don't brag,its merely and perfectly normal,and as i pointed out in 2004 MK won the best fighter because it came out in 2004,duh,tekken came out this year 2005.So,in reality as far as both of these titles competing for any rewards or anything is pointless,because,Deception already won it in 04,im sure Tekken will get it in 2005,and like i said no fighter is perfect,not mk,not sf,not tekken,not doa,.You like tekken ,i like MK lets just leave it at that,all i ever said was that if im a tekken fan,i want this game online bottom line,i have to see what excuses they make for tekken6 not being online enabled for such a highly anticipated systemPS3 in the future,Well MK 7will definitely be online so im not worried about it.You on the other hand,who knows.And i never insulted you so please dont insult me.

Now on the rayden vs jin standpoint,or the god of fighting,yes indeed he may be a god of fighting but rayden is the god of thunder andnot only that,but since hes a god,hes immortal and cannot be killed,He came back even meaner in Deception after killing himself,so????Not to mention if its a god vs god fight and they are both immortal,its kind of pointless dont you think.And MK won a reward that very few games win anymore,and thats longevity pal,did tekken win that,no,SF no,DOA ummmmn no.I'm sure that tekken will win best fighter this year for 2005,but will it win best longevity like MK???????Considering that a series that came out back in 91 and still has it through today speaks for itself alone.

But you can write another book of repeating yourself if you like.

Someone quoted that Tekken could outsell MK on any console worldwide/stateside. That's not exactly true. Let's take Tekken 4 & MKDA for instance. MKDA reached the "Platinum Hits" mark (selling over a million copies) on ps2 alone, whereas Tekken 4 has yet to to reach to sell the big mill. Of course this is statesides, so there could be some limitations to this.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Mortal Kombat DA Tournament Edition outsold Tekken 3 Advanced both for the GBA. Ah, but who cares? Like I always say, "Sales alone do not determine the quality of a product."

Thankyou sinslessknowlegde,im sure you don't have that name for nothing.Like i said Tekken wishes it had the success of MK!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

I wish Tekken 5 came out in '04

Taking a look at mkflegend's profile it "claims" that he's 22. A 22 year old noob, that's something you don't see everyday, even the most ignorant people grow out of noobness by 17 at the very most.

I'm not argueing anyway, you just keep on convincing yourself that you're right, ignoring everything that proves you wrong, and we'll just leave it at that.

another genius guy attempting to take shots about my age and profile.I love it.

Seriously though how old are you? 12?

No 22 year old repeats ????? and says DUHHH like a child does, and then refuses to read something just because it's a little longer then being used to ,are you attempting to impress people by lying about your age?

I'm really 22 man,please don't start with me,im asking you nicely.I guess you never heard an adult or anyone above the age of 12 use words like duh,wow,pee,dope,mint,or words that are merely slang??I know a lot of people much older than me that use words like that.I'm not trying to impress anyone,because one, i'm not lying and two, when people start questioning other peoples profiles,it becomes tideous after a while,please talk about the topic at hand.

Take it to PM, kiddos.

I just checked out your profile kid,your 18,so didn't your parents ever teach you to respect your elders.If your really 18,which im sure you are,then im 22 then.4 years older,you were a freshman when i was a senior in HS,I have been on this earth 4 more years than you,only 4 years ,yes indeed,but thats 4 more years of experience.Don't judge people by their profiles.You will only make enemies that way.

DOA is still better.

Have you seen the bounciness of those girls????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That game is better than MKD by a long shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It may not have bogus awards, but it has counters!!!!! Not to mention heaps of outfits and huge bewbies.

Deception has more sales than DOA,i just read it in several mags,plus its in the interviews with the MK team posted by MKONLINE a few weeks back,if you don't believe me.MK is better,online play for DOA is garbage compared to MK,way too much lag in DOA.Call it bogus rewards,retarded,stupid,whatever,they are rewards none the less that DOA does not have.And technically you didn't answer my question topic,SFand MK vs,tekken and DOA.We all know that DOA and Tekken wouldn't stand a chance.And DA has reversals,they just took them out for Deception and decided to put breakers in to even out the game play.You must use them wisely though.