My own perspective of time(WARNING: LONG POST)
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posted06/21/2004 03:44 PM (UTC)by
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I completed high school a few weeks ago, and that's given me a lot of time to think about my life, what I've become, and where I'm going. Hundreds of times, particularly now, I hear people tell me, "It all went by too fast."

Well today, and even back then, I've always considered that statement bullshit. A thousand years isn't a long time if it's pure euphoria. People just don't expect things to end, and when they do, they have a hard time accepting it. They say the moments breezed by because no matter what, there would have never been enough time in their eyes. I guess the question is, do I feel like things are moving accordingly, or is time drifting faster than I can live my life?

I won't pretend to have a answer to that question. But I will say this. I love my life, and those around me who have made it worth living. But for every second that brings the end of my time in this world to a close, I feel more prepared to leave this life. It's not that I'm not enjoying everything, but I'm already beginning to feel stagnant. As if each moment is a mediocre movie I've already seen. I'm sure this emotional numbness will pass, because I know there is still a lot of ground that I haven't covered yet. So much that I can't experience it all in one lifetime. But as my sense of the spiritual becomes stronger, this materialistic enviroment becomes more alien to me, and to a degree, less tolerable. That will never change for the better, I'm afraid.

I may be only nineteen years old, but I already feel like an old man in some aspects. The things that use to thrill me are quickly losing appeal. My only real pleasures are being with my friends/family, music, and new experiences that appear. That's not a bad thing, really. It's a sign that mentally and emotionally growing, or changing, at the very least.

But I'm not trying to imply that I want my life to end. I look forward to living many years, and to pass on the greatest truths to my children and grandchildren. Truths I watch fade out more from our society each day. Even if I begin to hate my existance here, I've become strong enough to live for both myself and others. My point in writing this is to say that good moments must pass, despite whether the future is for better or worse. I miss the good days of the past, but I know they had to end in order to be such. I hold on deeply to my past, but I refuse to try to relive it. I'll use it as a guide so that my former mistakes won't lead me to my downfall. Now I intend to move forward until the time comes for me to conquer death itself.

So what's your perspective of time, and how do you believe it affects your life?


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06/19/2004 07:36 AM (UTC)
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Dang, that's a tough question to answer.

All I can say is that I love my life. It could be better, but it's good. I'm almost done with high school, so I'm not in your position.

You always make the best threads TemperaryUserName, and I respect you for that.
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06/19/2004 09:00 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
I completed high school a few weeks ago, and that's given me a lot of time to think about my life, what I've become, and where I'm going. Hundreds of times, particularly now, I hear people tell me, "It all went by too fast."

Well today, and even back then, I've always considered that statement bullshit. A thousand years isn't a long time if it's pure euphoria. People just don't expect things to end, and when they do, they have a hard time accepting it. They say the moments breezed by because no matter what, there would have never been enough time in their eyes. I guess the question is, do I feel like things are moving accordingly, or is time drifting faster than I can live my life?

I won't pretend to have a answer to that question. But I will say this. I love my life, and those around me who have made it worth living. But for every second that brings the end of my time in this world to a close, I feel more prepared to leave this life. It's not that I'm not enjoying everything, but I'm already beginning to feel stagnant. As if each moment is a mediocre movie I've already seen. I'm sure this emotional numbness will pass, because I know there is still a lot of ground that I haven't covered yet. So much that I can't experience it all in one lifetime. But as my sense of the spiritual becomes stronger, this materialistic enviroment becomes more alien to me, and to a degree, less tolerable. That will never change for the better, I'm afraid.

I may be only nineteen years old, but I already feel like an old man in some aspects. The things that use to thrill me are quickly losing appeal. My only real pleasures are being with my friends/family, music, and new experiences that appear. That's not a bad thing, really. It's a sign that mentally and emotionally growing, or changing, at the very least.

But I'm not trying to imply that I want my life to end. I look forward to living many years, and to pass on the greatest truths to my children and grandchildren. Truths I watch fade out more from our society each day. Even if I begin to hate my existance here, I've become strong enough to live for both myself and others. My point in writing this is to say that good moments must pass, despite whether the future is for better or worse. I miss the good days of the past, but I know they had to end in order to be such. I hold on deeply to my past, but I refuse to try to relive it. I'll use it as a guide so that my former mistakes won't lead me to my downfall. Now I intend to move forward until the time comes for me to conquer death itself.

So what's your perspective of time, and how do you believe it affects your life?



A very intelligent and thought-provoking post, and question. I am glad you brought such a topic up.

Before I make a feeble attempt at answering, I will simply state that it is good that you still enjoy life, as it were. But beware your emotional numbness. Take it from one who knows; there is nothing worse than descending into complete and utter apathy. Love what you will, hate if you must, but never stop giving a shit either way. I've been there, and it's a very cold, lonely and empty place. Suffice it to say there are friends I wish I could have back.

But enough of that. On to your question about time. A difficult one to answer, for I have always viewed time in two seperate ways; from a scientific prespective as well as a spiritual one.

The scientific point of view I entertain is that time is a dimension, just as length, width, and depth are. Doubtlessly you've heard of this theorem before. When I think about it this way, I see time as being the measurement of our lifespan; completely intangible, but there nonetheless. However, this leads me to think of questions such as "if our time is simply how long we have to live, does that mean our lives have been predetermined by a set measurement? Do we have to die at 35 of a heart attack?" In other words, "Does fate exist"? I like to think that we are responsible for our own actions and choices, so I say that time is a measurement of our "potential lifespan". Just as we could lose our legs in an accident and thus lose length (vertically, of course), so can we live to be 35 or 89 years old.


My other, spiritual, prespective is that time does in fact exist as an immovable, unstoppable force, a great wave in which all that ever is, was, or will be flows. It is always moving and changing, and with this ebb and flow comes the beginning and end of all things, from how long one lives until how long it will take until this damn song about chimpanzees on your radio is finished. If you die or live is all a result of the way this wave flows. If the song on the radio was cut off, that simply means that the wave's 'space' for that song was cut off. But again, this leads to questions of fate (at least for me). So I prefer to think that this wave has no set pattern. It is going everywhere and nowhere, It flows not up or down but both ways, and no ways. It is completely random and perfectly chaotic. It just is.

Anyway, I hope that made some kind of sense to you. For now, I suggest you go download "Time" by David Bowie. Great song.

"Oh well, I look at my watch, it says 9:25, and I think 'oh god, I'm still alive...'"
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06/19/2004 09:47 AM (UTC)
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You made a Shoe thread, I'm touched. But I'm not going to give you a Shoe reply. I quit doing those. (mostly)

Time is persistent. The more you do the less you have. The less you do the less you enjoy it.

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06/19/2004 03:42 PM (UTC)
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Time is perspectively infinite to the human mind, simply for the fact that a human being is wholly incapable to understand a world without him in it. Existance through his eyes is all he has known and all he will ever know.

This doesn't seem true because we are sentient beings and we understand that nothing is permanent.

Think of a dog. A dog cannot percieve time. The only thing a dog can understand is "now" and "forever." He thinks that there was nothing before he came to be because he did not see it; he thinks that what is will be forever because he has been given no reason not to.

Humans think life passes so quickly because we understand that we will die. A dog feels no pressure to go out and live because he does not understand death. We do not understand death either, but we know it exists, and that causes the classic human emotion: fear. We fear death because it is the only thing that is certain in one's life; it is final. If there are two things humans do not like, it is certainty and finality.

So we obsess ourselves with death, living our entire lives attempting to prove that we might somehow beat it. We create worlds of afterlife, so that we might believe that death isn't final. We have a hard time grasping time with finality.

Yeah.
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06/19/2004 09:43 PM (UTC)
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Here's some stuff I found and saved a while ago about time that I believe is true, and thought it was worth posting:

-Angelus Silesius, a sixth-century philosopher and poet, thought the flow of time could be suspended by mental powers
"Time is of your own making;
its clock ticks in your head.
The moment you stop thought
time too stops dead."

-We are a moment in astronomic time, a transient guest of the Earth. Our wet, wrinkled brains do not allow us to comprehend many mysteries of time and space.

-Is time real? Does it flow in one direction only? Does it have a beginning or an end? What is eternity? None of these questions can be answered to scientists' satisfaction. Yet the mere asking of these questions stretches our minds, and the continual search for answers provides useful insights along the way.

-Don't believe anyone who tells you that humans will never have efficient technology for backward and forward time travel.
Science-fiction stories about space travel have already inspired humans to travel to the moon. Similarly, will time-travel stories inspire us to create real time-travel mechanisms? Will we ever find a way to overcome the Einstein speed limit and make all of spacetime home?


So I don't know if this it what u meant, but I thought I'd post it any way
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06/20/2004 02:02 AM (UTC)
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krsx66 Wrote:
Here's some stuff I found and saved a while ago about time that I believe is true, and thought it was worth posting:

-Angelus Silesius, a sixth-century philosopher and poet, thought the flow of time could be suspended by mental powers
"Time is of your own making;
its clock ticks in your head.
The moment you stop thought
time too stops dead."

-We are a moment in astronomic time, a transient guest of the Earth. Our wet, wrinkled brains do not allow us to comprehend many mysteries of time and space.

-Is time real? Does it flow in one direction only? Does it have a beginning or an end? What is eternity? None of these questions can be answered to scientists' satisfaction. Yet the mere asking of these questions stretches our minds, and the continual search for answers provides useful insights along the way.

-Don't believe anyone who tells you that humans will never have efficient technology for backward and forward time travel.
Science-fiction stories about space travel have already inspired humans to travel to the moon. Similarly, will time-travel stories inspire us to create real time-travel mechanisms? Will we ever find a way to overcome the Einstein speed limit and make all of spacetime home?


So I don't know if this it what u meant, but I thought I'd post it any way


Either way, this is a really good post smile i love these kind of statements about time travelling and that stuff. i reckon in the future time travelling will be possible as well as finding life outisde our planet grin
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06/20/2004 06:26 AM (UTC)
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ShoeUnited Wrote:
You made a Shoe thread, I'm touched. But I'm not going to give you a Shoe reply. I quit doing those. (mostly)

Time is persistent. The more you do the less you have. The less you do the less you enjoy it.

-Shoe

Heh, someone has to carry the torch. grin As long as people keep replying, I'll keep making them.

Anyway, lots of good answers guys. smile My basic point wasn't time travel, but at least I got an intelligent response from everybody, lol. Feel free to post more thoughts, guys.

Also, let's try to avoid the subject of time travel, if possible. It kinda distracts from the main purpose of the thread. smile
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06/20/2004 04:21 PM (UTC)
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I see time as a binding dimension or binding force. We're all connected to it and it'll speed up or slow down against our own perspective.

Given the laws of time, changing the past can change the furture. So i believe that changing the present can also change the future. If time was conected to everything, then there is a time to die for everyone. If a person commited suicide, they would have ended their life earlier than it should have ended. The time balance is thrown off and things in the future might happen later. Someone could die now and could have been the person who would have discovered the cure for cancer. That cure won't be found for another generation now. In effect, people who might have survived or would have been alive in the future won't be.

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06/20/2004 06:57 PM (UTC)
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Stay on topic or else you'll get a warning. LOL grin

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tgrant Wrote:
I see time as a binding dimension or binding force. We're all connected to it and it'll speed up or slow down against our own perspective.

Given the laws of time, changing the past can change the furture. So i believe that changing the present can also change the future. If time was conected to everything, then there is a time to die for everyone. If a person commited suicide, they would have ended their life earlier than it should have ended. The time balance is thrown off and things in the future might happen later. Someone could die now and could have been the person who would have discovered the cure for cancer. That cure won't be found for another generation now. In effect, people who might have survived or would have been alive in the future won't be.


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vanhelsing976
06/21/2004 01:03 AM (UTC)
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Life sucks and then you die, thats my persepective of time...

You:How's Life??
Me:Taking Forever!!!!
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MrSchpfmut
06/21/2004 03:44 PM (UTC)
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I hear you temp...
A quote from Fight Club couldn't say this any better:

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everything drops to zero.

When I first saw the movie this meant nothing to me. But after a while, secifically during college, I understood it and couldn't agree with the thought any more.

It's like, while i do enjoy certain aspects in life and friendships, it eventually all goes away and there's nothing we can do about it.

My Polish grandmother always used to tell me in her broken english, "Not get old Jason, not get old..." I'd always jokingly think, what the heck are you talking about ya old crazy woman? Now that I'm older and realize that she's 80 something lives by herslef, has trouble walking distances, and has no friends besides her children... it makes me wonder if she had been right the whole time.
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