I'm goin' with this.

lol Well said.

To each their own, I guess.

The Japanese use christian symbolism without any preliminal knowledge of the religion simply for the sake of being mystical. You can be smart with it (Neon genesis Evangelion, RahXephon) or not.

We do the same stuff with the Japanese and Chinese. 80% of the people HERE think that Raiden is a buddhist god. When 1. he is called Raijin, 2. he is shinto. Simply because we cannot distinguish most of the time between the more introspective non-monotheistic religions of the far east.

Just remember how many "aware" people advertise themselves, how mantras, martial arts and yoga are exploited in the western hemisphere. Same thing. It is just weird to see our stuff turned upside down.

Forget Japanese misinterpretation of Christian symbology. Christianity itself is a misinterpretation of Jewish apocalypticism. So even the people who "believe" that stuff don't know what they're talking about.

If I didn't know any better, I'd swear you are Bezou.

But I digress.

He is. Unless you were being sarcastic.

Bezou is gone forever.

I am Neo Bezo.
On topic, I think you may be onto something here. Although this idea of an innocently evil person has become something of a trope.

The thing is, N isn't evil, Ghetsis is.

N believed everything he was doing was for the good of others, but it was all just a small part of a the real evil plot cooked up by Ghetsis.



I was.

EDIT: Sorry, double post.

Sorry, what I meant by that is a character who functions as evil even though they're not, which N embodies to a T.

So what we have here is Shujinko being controlled by the Dragon King... Oh wait, you didn't draw those parallels then.

Sorry, what I meant to say is that we have Job being tricked by God and Satan... oh too early?

Ok, what we have here is Loki telling Fenrir that he... must...

Too norse isn't it?

Don't worry, I'll come back to you when I think of how unique this is and proves parody of a religion that you hold dear.

In the meantime, my favorite phrase from Japan concerning christianity is Christian Magic. When you can explain how it is demonstrably different from Harry Potter magic, I'll let you know I concede.

The point of the theme isn't the control of another, but the use of a false messiah, which none of your references consists of.

And by the way, I'm not a Christian. I'm not even upset by the theme, as you make it seem. In fact, I stated that it was brilliant and interesting.

Oh, we gonna play that way are we? What parallel can you draw between the story above and the Book of Revelation? Not epistles, not old testament, not Matthew, Mark, Luke, nor John. Just that. Revelation. Go ahead, compare chapter and verse. Show me the part where the Antichrist is even mentioned in that book. This Lord N is not a prophet. Nowhere do I see any prophesying going on.

He's going around thinking and trying to do what's best for these poor pokemon. He's not malevolent. He's steered wrong, confused, brainwashed. But not inherently evil. He wants to help and free all the pokemon he can. The summary above does not even state that he is Lord or Savior. It states that others call him that. The title thrust upon him.

If we're dogged and determined to ignore the whole fact that the outline above shows a naive boy taken from his home in order to help others. Is then used to evil gains by another person(s) for their own gain. Then fine. Let's force my hand and try to concoct a way to force this into Christianity.

You have a guy, who generally wants to do good by the community. You have a group working behind the scenes to use his spread of the good word in order to manipulate for world domination. You have a point where even though he believes in his good message the corruption means that the evil is more powerful. The evil is USING the messenger in order to get their own gain. Even the messenger when used and abused admits that maybe this whole thing wasn't such a good idea.

That smacks not of general revelation bashing. That smacks of organized religion bashing.

1) Let's go through the paces. Child, young, taken from home to be raised in basic seclusion until they are fit to represent the group. Buddhism. 2) Evil Force using messenger to attain power. Christianity. Islam. 3) People being drummed up around the figure in order to attain Evil's plans by singing praises and then using messenger to do evil. Christianity. 4) Good doing evil justified even though in doubt. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism.

1) Look up the ages of some of the Dalai Lamas

2) Anytime you have people preaching the highlight of their religion, but then use it as a chair shot to get what they want. Money, Power, Political Affiliation, Public Bans, the list goes on. Catholic church looks mighty rich. Evangelicals can heal you over LIVE TV, just send money to their church!

3) Without 3, 2 doesn't have as much influence. But if you've ever walked into a conversation that has quoted parts of the Bible to justify hate in life or society then you know what goes here. Mostly, Leviticus. Spare the rod, Spoil the child.

4) Bombings, terrorism, hate speech, hate mail, wars, supporting candidates who would discriminate but they share your religious affiliation, figuring out ways to do harm without violating scripture (Buddhism has a lot of these), having a hope that one day your savior will come back and smite all those who aren't believing like you (Yes even the Torah has a word or two about that), looking down on someone else because they don't have something in common with you and justifying it by knowing you're more "pure" of heart.

So yeah. I see where if you forced the hand you could find a very big tear down of religion in general. If you want christianity, sure. It's got an assload of corruption.

What I don't see, is where the Whore of Babylon, the Dragon, the seven seals, Death, trumpets, angels, a measuring of god's temple, or anything else that's actually in the book in that synopsis.

What I took from the whole thing was that A guy (Shujinko) was getting tricked by a bad guy (The Dragon King) into doing what the bad guy wanted, but being naive enough to think he is doing good. Lord is a title afterall, they still use it to this day. Savior being someone who saves, in this case poor abused pokemon, is also appropriate.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I missed the verse where 1440 Clefairy sit in judgement while the seas run red with Rapidash.

I have no idea what we're playing here, but I guess I'll continue.

First, through study it has been revealed Revelations 13 hosts the Antichrist in the form of the Beast.

But I'll give you that the word itself is only used in the Book of John.


Now, while the case of evil deceiving the innocent is clear, once again that is not the theme of Pokemon Black & White. In fact, it is the plot twist. What I did notice is the elements of N similar to Jesus, and the falseness of it all, even if unknown to N.

1. The "legend" of a foretold hero (or messiah) to save all the pokemon (or people) from their suffering.
2.The use of the term "our Lord" with the scheme of saving many, a theme which can only be applied to Jesus Christ, at least in our time.
3.The hidden evil force (Ghetsis) that moves N throughout his endeavors. While this can be related back to Deception, the sense of what N was thought to does not match Shujinko's thought title.

One could also infer that the Beast coming up from the ground speaking like a dragon, coming after the first Beast is Reshiram/Zekrom, as that image is protrayed in the final moments of the game's story. The only difference is that the two beast fight one another.

One could also infer the element of the blasphemous Whore riding upon the Beast when N, who speaks false hopes and future which could be implied as blasphemy, takes ride upon Reshiram/Zekrom.

In any case, I didn't expect everyone to see this, but I also didn't expect anyone to come about it the way you did, especially when you assumed my beliefs. I see the similarities between Black/White and Deception, but I also see similarities between N and the antichrist. We can agree to disagree, but your denouncing the theme does not make me wrong, nor do my findings prove I'm right.

This is all a theory, though I guess I may not have shown it as such. I'll take fault to that.

Still, it's a damn good theme.

Oh, how I miss the good ol' Pokemon days.

Err- I like shorts, they're comfy and easy to wear?

it is fun when people glorify misinterpretations to get their own personal points across.


And tell me about jewish Apocalypticism. Do you even know the meaning of the phrase?