Space Colonisation and Nanotechnology
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posted08/04/2004 06:19 AM (UTC)by
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For those not familiar, nanotech is a new form of technology coming around the bend in which things are built at almost the smallest molecular level, which will enable stronger better materials and products to be constructed, more cheaply, and at a much faster rate.

I've always thought considering conditions on Earth, and the fact that the sun is eventially set to burn out, that colonisation of Space is inevitable. However, perhaps up until now, due to costs, and the sheer amount of material that would have to be launched in order to construct colonies, the idea seemed unfeasable. However if nanotech works out as promised, it could solve the problems with colonisation by cutting costs, time, and the amount of material that has to be launched into space for construction.

Of course the moon, is the obvious first choice, at least as a launching pad for deeper research and colonisation. The Asteroid belt, as well as the moon, Mars, and several moons of other planets are just filled with useable resources. Not only for construction, but also for potentiol energy purposes.

The idea would, eventially, be to have a free-roaming non terrestrial(land-based) colony. Several designs have been put forth over the years, but the most promising design seems to be in which a circular craft spins on its axis, somewhat similar to a giroscope, creating an artificial gravity enviroment.

What do you all think about the pro's and con's of Space colonisation? Before, I would have been skeptical(due to the fact we've been into space for nearly 50 years and have not even established any type of permanant or even semi-permanant prescence on the Moon), however the Space industry has been gaining steam as of late. The first private space flight took place recently, which could prompt a commercial space race, and the Chinese, Indians, Japanese, and Europeans have been getting into the game more actively as late, prompting the U.S. to get back into the race(our new plan to go to Mars and go back to the moon and establish permanant bases).

Plus, it now seems its now getting technologically more feasible(a lot of people have no idea as how much nanotech is going to revolutionize our world in the next 30 years, it will be as drastic as the Industrial revolution).

Thoughts?
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08/02/2004 06:38 PM (UTC)
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Well this one did not take off too well. Perhaps its a little too in-depth or heavy for a forum subject...
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08/02/2004 07:32 PM (UTC)
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I'm not too entusiast about space colonisation. Are humans really meant to perdure forever? Somehow i doubt that. About mechanical progress, nanomachinery in particular, I think that is great. Imagine the various ways of application!
Maybe treat cancer more effectively, or kill virus cells? The possibilities are many, and that's good.
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krackerjack
08/03/2004 12:27 PM (UTC)
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I don't beleive space colonisation will ever go down. Actually, i don't think our race will ever make it to Mars either. I just dont see how a flight that long could be acheived, regardless of whether a stop was made on the moon for refueling and such, or not.

I heard not too long ago from a comedian: "Trying to travel to mars by stopping off at the moon, is like trying to get to the other side of the bloody world by stopping off at the end of your garden". That really is a good point.

In any case, the money could be put to much better use here on earth where there are thousands of people dying of disease and starvation every day (Yes i'm aware of how much of a cheesy cliche that is, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's true).
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Cyborg_wolf
08/03/2004 12:54 PM (UTC)
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That's exactly what i was saying to my grandmother an hour ago. That money could do so much better things on earth.
krackerjack Wrote:
I don't beleive space colonisation will ever go down. Actually, i don't think our race will ever make it to Mars either. I just dont see how a flight that long could be acheived, regardless of whether a stop was made on the moon for refueling and such, or not.

I heard not too long ago from a comedian: "Trying to travel to mars by stopping off at the moon, is like trying to get to the other side of the bloody world by stopping off at the end of your garden". That really is a good point.

In any case, the money could be put to much better use here on earth where there are thousands of people dying of disease and starvation every day (Yes i'm aware of how much of a cheesy cliche that is, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's true).

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08/03/2004 01:38 PM (UTC)
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True about money doing 'better things on Earth', but your not taking one thing into account. The new wave of tecnology coming along. We've got two kinds coming, nanotech(which will lead to cheaper, quicker, better manufacturing so people will be able to buy more), and genetic technology, which will give us the ability for an unlimited food resource. Nanotech would also most likely make medical care more available to everyone. So this technology has the ability to eliminate famine and poverty.

So we would have A LOT of extra money to spend on projects like space. Space-based technology can also help solve energy problems here on Earth(untold amounts of resources in space). It was mentioned by one person that we can't fuel it far enough. Actually there are ways to do it.

"The technique is called inertial electrostatic confinement (IEC), a technique that avoids the use of massive magnets and laser systems used in other fusion-power techniques. Instead, the IEC device uses a hollow cathode, and the natural charges of electrons and ions, to form virtual electrodes that confine ions in a spherical region at the center of the 61 cm (2 ft) diameter IEC vacuum chamber.

"The SBIR funding has allowed us to make some historic advances," Nadler told the audience. Using a pulsed megawatt power supply, the IEC achieved its highest pulsed current yet - 17 amps at 40,000 volts. The IEC has also gone from producing one neutron (released by deuterium-deuterium fusion) in every 10 cycles to more than 100 neutrons per cycle.

"I'm happy to report that everything is looking good for increased reactivity," he said. "And we haven't even stressed anything out yet."


IEC fusion would work best with a couple of unusual fusion cycles. One uses deuterium (heavy hydrogen), easily refined from water on Earth, and helium 3 (helium lacking one neutron), quite rare here but possibly abundant in lunar soil exposed to 4 billion years of solar wind. The other fires protons into boron 11."

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/prop12apr99_1.htm


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08/04/2004 01:00 AM (UTC)
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TheTinMan2005 Wrote:
True about money doing 'better things on Earth', but your not taking one thing into account. The new wave of tecnology coming along. We've got two kinds coming, nanotech(which will lead to cheaper, quicker, better manufacturing so people will be able to buy more), and genetic technology, which will give us the ability for an unlimited food resource. Nanotech would also most likely make medical care more available to everyone. So this technology has the ability to eliminate famine and poverty.

So we would have A LOT of extra money to spend on projects like space. Space-based technology can also help solve energy problems here on Earth(untold amounts of resources in space). It was mentioned by one person that we can't fuel it far enough. Actually there are ways to do it.

"The technique is called inertial electrostatic confinement (IEC), a technique that avoids the use of massive magnets and laser systems used in other fusion-power techniques. Instead, the IEC device uses a hollow cathode, and the natural charges of electrons and ions, to form virtual electrodes that confine ions in a spherical region at the center of the 61 cm (2 ft) diameter IEC vacuum chamber.

"The SBIR funding has allowed us to make some historic advances," Nadler told the audience. Using a pulsed megawatt power supply, the IEC achieved its highest pulsed current yet - 17 amps at 40,000 volts. The IEC has also gone from producing one neutron (released by deuterium-deuterium fusion) in every 10 cycles to more than 100 neutrons per cycle.

"I'm happy to report that everything is looking good for increased reactivity," he said. "And we haven't even stressed anything out yet."


IEC fusion would work best with a couple of unusual fusion cycles. One uses deuterium (heavy hydrogen), easily refined from water on Earth, and helium 3 (helium lacking one neutron), quite rare here but possibly abundant in lunar soil exposed to 4 billion years of solar wind. The other fires protons into boron 11."

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/prop12apr99_1.htm




Yeah, ok, nice point. But what i meant is that to me, space colonisation should not be a priority. Nanotechnology, on the other hand, is something i'm happy it's being worked on. About genetics research and endless food supplies, sure i like the idea, but i want to be sure there are no side effects to eating it.
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ZenMasterMike
08/04/2004 04:58 AM (UTC)
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Really it dosent matter if we established colonies on mars or the moon or whatever, cuz mankind is prone for destruction, we'd just ravage that place like we did r own world and then find sumwere new to inhabbit. Kinda like lotus.
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08/04/2004 06:19 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, ZMM, sadly your probably right. Mankind is prone to destruction of itself.

Which is part of why I don't buy that religious garbage.
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