Sympathy for the Dead
phishstix17 Wrote:
I think people's apathy commesurates to their age/ the amount they were effected by the tragedy. I was 18 years old in college, out in the world for the first time. My best friend was in NYC living in dorms near the towers, my sister was working above Penn Station. The city was chaotic, and nobody could get anyone on the phone. My sister's whereabouts were unknown all day. Classmates lost friends and family on the planes and in the towers. It was very maturing and traumatic.
For me, that day will always be synonomous for when I grew up. If it means nothing to you anymore and/or you feel apathetic and that people should "get over it", consider yourself fortunate.
I think people's apathy commesurates to their age/ the amount they were effected by the tragedy. I was 18 years old in college, out in the world for the first time. My best friend was in NYC living in dorms near the towers, my sister was working above Penn Station. The city was chaotic, and nobody could get anyone on the phone. My sister's whereabouts were unknown all day. Classmates lost friends and family on the planes and in the towers. It was very maturing and traumatic.
For me, that day will always be synonomous for when I grew up. If it means nothing to you anymore and/or you feel apathetic and that people should "get over it", consider yourself fortunate.
Age has nothing to do with it.
I was 10 years old when I saw it on TV and I was in tears, and even to this day, it still bothers me that those towers are gone.
However, I was not as affected by it as others, so it was easier for me to move on.
I do feel I must mention, once again, that no one is obligated to feel sympathy
towards the death of anyone.
Riyakou Wrote:
But what about the 3,000+ people that died on September 10?
Or September 9?
Or yesterday?
But what about the 3,000+ people that died on September 10?
Or September 9?
Or yesterday?
If those dates were posted on a topic and someone was talking about how they didn't care or give a shit about the people who died that day I'd tell them the same thing I said before. Bringing up 9/10 in a topic that's discussing 9/11 is COMPLETELY irrelevant. I feel sorry for the death of people everybody, but if you can accept that death is also a natural part of life, then respect when one's death is UNNATURAL or MURDER, maybe?
TemperaryUserName Wrote:
If you stand by the position that what happened to the World Trade Center was tragic, then you care. That constitutes caring. You're not guilty of indifference. If you feel otherwise, then there's something wrong with you. And the fact that you need to TELL me that you're indifferent is itself suspicious. It makes me think your indifference is actually a guise for pretentiousness, or (even worse) aggression.
If you stand by the position that what happened to the World Trade Center was tragic, then you care. That constitutes caring. You're not guilty of indifference. If you feel otherwise, then there's something wrong with you. And the fact that you need to TELL me that you're indifferent is itself suspicious. It makes me think your indifference is actually a guise for pretentiousness, or (even worse) aggression.
Glad someone sees it the RIGHT way.
UlcaTron Wrote:
If those dates were posted on a topic and someone was talking about how they didn't care or give a shit about the people who died that day I'd tell them the same thing I said before. Bringing up 9/10 in a topic that's discussing 9/11 is COMPLETELY irrelevant. I feel sorry for the death of people everybody, but if you can accept that death is also a natural part of life, then respect when one's death is UNNATURAL or MURDER, maybe?
Riyakou Wrote:
But what about the 3,000+ people that died on September 10?
Or September 9?
Or yesterday?
But what about the 3,000+ people that died on September 10?
Or September 9?
Or yesterday?
If those dates were posted on a topic and someone was talking about how they didn't care or give a shit about the people who died that day I'd tell them the same thing I said before. Bringing up 9/10 in a topic that's discussing 9/11 is COMPLETELY irrelevant. I feel sorry for the death of people everybody, but if you can accept that death is also a natural part of life, then respect when one's death is UNNATURAL or MURDER, maybe?
Firstly, the topic is sympathy for the dead, not merely 9/11.
Second, I am always acknowledging the murder of someone; I live in Chicago for Christ's sake.
Finally, the relevance of my statement lies at the peak of the topic. People like to decide who is "worthy" of sympathy and memory, which I feel is very cold-hearted.
For example, if major tragedies are to be remembered, why isn't there a national day of silence for those who died in Katrina?
Even though there is no obligation, that doesn't mean we have the right to eclipse the deaths of other. That is what I feel people do with 9/11.
As for how I feel, 9/11 was a horrible tragedy, and as I stated before, it still bothers me, but it is the tragedy, not the people alone, that I think about. I think that is what you may have forgotten, the tragedy itself.
In the end, I cannot stress this enough: No one is obligated to feel sympathy towards the death of anyone. Please understand this.
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I came into this thread thinking it said Sympathy for the Devil (Rolling Stones song)
Anyway, I don't have sympathy for the victims. Why? Because they're dead, so what good is it for me to feel sorry for someone who's to dead to care? I DO however, feel sympathy for the victims' families. Empathy is just as important as sympathy, and when I try to imagine if one of my family members died at 9/11, I would be devastated. So I'm not a heartless bastard and neither is the OP, but try to imagine if it was one of your family members who died that day. I may not have sympathy for those who died, but I do respect them.
Anyway, I don't have sympathy for the victims. Why? Because they're dead, so what good is it for me to feel sorry for someone who's to dead to care? I DO however, feel sympathy for the victims' families. Empathy is just as important as sympathy, and when I try to imagine if one of my family members died at 9/11, I would be devastated. So I'm not a heartless bastard and neither is the OP, but try to imagine if it was one of your family members who died that day. I may not have sympathy for those who died, but I do respect them.
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phishstix17 Wrote:
You sound like the one who's butthurt, I was just pointing out the fact that it's not as easy for most people to be apathetic because they were more personally and still are affected by the tragedy. It appears that you luckily haven't been. You're allowed to feel however you want, it's your life. Yikes....
You sound like the one who's butthurt, I was just pointing out the fact that it's not as easy for most people to be apathetic because they were more personally and still are affected by the tragedy. It appears that you luckily haven't been. You're allowed to feel however you want, it's your life. Yikes....
Well if you must know I was talking to Spaceman. Not you.
And I totally agree with you here. I don't know why people get mad when honest people say exactly how they feel towards certain things.
And me? Butthurt? lol
Don't know why i bother. But...
No no, you're a douchebag for going out of your way to tell everybody you don't care. Re read the previous sentence since you keep trying to ignore that fact.
No no, people should be respectful to those who do care. Just say
Lol, what the fuck are you talking about? You made the thread. Also:
So we shouldn't forget about 9/11 but we shouldn't talk about it on its anniversary because its too depressing? You're an idiot. It is one of the most influential moments in American history and it received wide press coverage AND it happened in our fucking life time. No shit it comes up every year.
Yup pretty much. And by "care" I mean I didn't go around on the anniversary of 9/11 telling people that the lives lost were meaningless. That's an immature douchebag thing to say. And before you say it, Yes, saying you don't care about 9/11 victims and saying their lives were meaningless are the same thing. You don't care because they didn't MEAN anything to you personally. Which is why saying you don't care can seem offensive btw.
Overall man I think what you're confused about is that "caring" about 9/11 isn't a physical activity or necessarily a public affair. Its an internal feeling of sympathy for the people who died or for the people who were affected. You don't HAVE to be sad and you don't HAVE to spend the day mourning people you never met. All you do is acknowledge that you would not want to be in those people's shoes on that day. And sometimes that means keeping your lack of sympathy to yourself, which should be easy if you truly "don't care."
Krayzie_Killin_Joker Wrote:
I'm not saying people should "get over" the incident. I understand what happened that day was a tragedy and a lot of people lost their life. But to call me immature for not caring about people who meant nothing to me in the first place.... Wow... I'm a douchebag for not caring?
I'm not saying people should "get over" the incident. I understand what happened that day was a tragedy and a lot of people lost their life. But to call me immature for not caring about people who meant nothing to me in the first place.... Wow... I'm a douchebag for not caring?
No no, you're a douchebag for going out of your way to tell everybody you don't care. Re read the previous sentence since you keep trying to ignore that fact.
Wow. You act like people NEED to care about those victims.
No no, people should be respectful to those who do care. Just say
I understand what happened that day was a tragedy and a lot of people lost their life.
and leave it at that. If you absolutely have to tack on "but i don't care about the people who died or their families" then you're a douche nozzle. If you truly "don't care" why do you have to tell people that? If you don't care it shouldn't be worth your time to say it. Otherwise you sound like a little shit trying to antagonize the people who do care so you can seem 'dark, edgy and heartless.' Sorry if I like to think ahead instead of dwelling and mourning on the past. Sorry if I like to have positive thoughts instead of thinking about depressing deaths.
Lol, what the fuck are you talking about? You made the thread. Also:
I'm not saying people should "get over" the incident.
So we shouldn't forget about 9/11 but we shouldn't talk about it on its anniversary because its too depressing? You're an idiot. It is one of the most influential moments in American history and it received wide press coverage AND it happened in our fucking life time. No shit it comes up every year.
Tell me. What were you doing before that clock struck 9/11? I bet you were just living your life, ignoring the fact that 9/11 was just the next day. But as soon as it 9/11 you automatically cared.
Yup pretty much. And by "care" I mean I didn't go around on the anniversary of 9/11 telling people that the lives lost were meaningless. That's an immature douchebag thing to say. And before you say it, Yes, saying you don't care about 9/11 victims and saying their lives were meaningless are the same thing. You don't care because they didn't MEAN anything to you personally. Which is why saying you don't care can seem offensive btw.
Overall man I think what you're confused about is that "caring" about 9/11 isn't a physical activity or necessarily a public affair. Its an internal feeling of sympathy for the people who died or for the people who were affected. You don't HAVE to be sad and you don't HAVE to spend the day mourning people you never met. All you do is acknowledge that you would not want to be in those people's shoes on that day. And sometimes that means keeping your lack of sympathy to yourself, which should be easy if you truly "don't care."
Riyakou Wrote:
As for how I feel, 9/11 was a horrible tragedy, and as I stated before, it still bothers me, but it is the tragedy, not the people alone, that I think about. I think that is what you may have forgotten, the tragedy itself.
As for how I feel, 9/11 was a horrible tragedy, and as I stated before, it still bothers me, but it is the tragedy, not the people alone, that I think about. I think that is what you may have forgotten, the tragedy itself.
You're splitting hairs here. It was a tragedy BECAUSE so many people died. Their deaths get brought up more over other peoples deaths because they were "lucky" enough to be murdered in a historical event that received widespread coverage. That may seem unfair to you but that's life and its not the victim's fault.
In the end, I cannot stress this enough: No one is obligated to feel sympathy towards the death of anyone. Please understand this.
You're right, its not an obligation its a human reaction. If you absolutely don't give a shit whatsoever though that's your right, just understand it's disrespectful to voice your not giving a shit.
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You know what
I love how you say hes some sort of careless asshole for not caring about the events of 911
But what about when America bombed Iraq just a few years later, you know how many people died, how many innocent people who had nothing to do with it just fucking die or were seriously injured. How the fucking hospitals were filled up, kids with severed limbs, people bleeding out. A country that went to the complete shit.
Should I call you a careless prick for not remembering that, for not "caring". But no you just care about when your country fakes a terrorist attack killing their own people. but you don't care when they actually become the terrorists and completely fuck another country across the world because of what they did on 9/11.
Don't point the finger, and don't try and act like a damn humanitarian or some shit like that.
I love how you say hes some sort of careless asshole for not caring about the events of 911
But what about when America bombed Iraq just a few years later, you know how many people died, how many innocent people who had nothing to do with it just fucking die or were seriously injured. How the fucking hospitals were filled up, kids with severed limbs, people bleeding out. A country that went to the complete shit.
Should I call you a careless prick for not remembering that, for not "caring". But no you just care about when your country fakes a terrorist attack killing their own people. but you don't care when they actually become the terrorists and completely fuck another country across the world because of what they did on 9/11.
Don't point the finger, and don't try and act like a damn humanitarian or some shit like that.
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UNdiscovered Wrote:
But what about when America bombed Iraq just a few years later, you know how many people died, how many innocent people who had nothing to do with it just fucking die or were seriously injured. How the fucking hospitals were filled up, kids with severed limbs, people bleeding out. A country that went to the complete shit.
But what about when America bombed Iraq just a few years later, you know how many people died, how many innocent people who had nothing to do with it just fucking die or were seriously injured. How the fucking hospitals were filled up, kids with severed limbs, people bleeding out. A country that went to the complete shit.
Who says we don't care about that? Many of us lament the victims from both sides of the Iraq War.
Ten years ago (and probably even later on), if you asked the the average conservative redneck why s/he was for the war, they'd probably say "to liberate Iraq." They thought they were helping the Middle East about purging it of Saddam.
I was in that group. I believe the war in Iraq was a horrible thing that should never have happened, but that is recent change of view that came in the last five or six years.
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I was like in Kindergarden when this happened so I was oblivious to this incident until 4th grade.
This user on another forum said 9/11 was fake and she flamed like hell
This user on another forum said 9/11 was fake and she flamed like hell
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mkwhopper Wrote:
I was like in Kindergarden when this happened so I was oblivious to this incident until 4th grade.
This user on another forum said 9/11 was fake and she flamed like hell
I was like in Kindergarden when this happened so I was oblivious to this incident until 4th grade.
This user on another forum said 9/11 was fake and she flamed like hell
It's strange, but it's not surprising. There are still people out there who think the Holocaust didn't happen.
(BTW, if anyone said "I don't care about the Holocaust victims because the tragedy didn't affect anyone I know personally," they'd have the snot verbally beaten out of them. Not by me, of course. I don't wanna verbally beat up anybody)
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At the end of the day 1,000,000 plus have died in this war on terror. At what cost is the value of a human life?
Even, if it doesn't effect you. You'll never know a day where the same tragedy/death could happen to you or a loved one.
Saying, you don't care is something you should keep to yourself.
Why? Because it could happen to you or some one close.
Even, if it doesn't effect you. You'll never know a day where the same tragedy/death could happen to you or a loved one.
Saying, you don't care is something you should keep to yourself.
Why? Because it could happen to you or some one close.
I forgot this thread for a while. I just wanted to point out that I, or anyone else for that matter, have never thought it as a positive thing that the 9/11 happened but the amount of attention this gets in the western world is a bit obscure. To say that Europeans are more safe than Americans ain't right: the US is bordered by Canada and Mexico, it has ocean borders in each sides and is basically a military superpower. Although possessing a great power can turn against you too. In the last hundred years Finland for one has been in a horrible civil war (vs. pro-Soviets) and two world wars; I think that was just enough for a nation that has never suppressed another.
I believe Krayzie's intention was to ask that does the annual public grieving cause overshadowing to the other tragic events. Commemorating this causes unnecessary hatred towards Muslims among Americans IMO which "justifies" new invasions. No invasion is legal or moral by the way – so this isn't far-fetched. Not to say that you aren't allowed to grief: you are. The subject of discussion however is to wonder why does the horrible, past event have to be advertised. Where do the citizens of the western world, who were not affected by the traumatizing event, need the information every single year? To fuel and justify the rage against Mideast?
That's my two cents. I hope USA won't invade further. No offense intended.Spaceman Wrote:
You're splitting hairs here. It was a tragedy BECAUSE so many people died. Their deaths get brought up more over other peoples deaths because they were "lucky" enough to be murdered in a historical event that received widespread coverage. That may seem unfair to you but that's life and its not the victim's fault.
You're right, its not an obligation its a human reaction. If you absolutely don't give a shit whatsoever though that's your right, just understand it's disrespectful to voice your not giving a shit.
Riyakou Wrote:
As for how I feel, 9/11 was a horrible tragedy, and as I stated before, it still bothers me, but it is the tragedy, not the people alone, that I think about. I think that is what you may have forgotten, the tragedy itself.
As for how I feel, 9/11 was a horrible tragedy, and as I stated before, it still bothers me, but it is the tragedy, not the people alone, that I think about. I think that is what you may have forgotten, the tragedy itself.
You're splitting hairs here. It was a tragedy BECAUSE so many people died. Their deaths get brought up more over other peoples deaths because they were "lucky" enough to be murdered in a historical event that received widespread coverage. That may seem unfair to you but that's life and its not the victim's fault.
In the end, I cannot stress this enough: No one is obligated to feel sympathy towards the death of anyone. Please understand this.
You're right, its not an obligation its a human reaction. If you absolutely don't give a shit whatsoever though that's your right, just understand it's disrespectful to voice your not giving a shit.
I assume your statement is generalized, because I never said I didn't give a shit.
To say, it is not disrespectful to not give a shit, as with many things, that is a matter of perspective. A person may be highly prone to murder and death, and would likely not find any death worth sympathizing. Another may be highly close to home with death, and likely get teary-eyed over any death.
My mother, actually, is actually very open-hearted towards animals, and whenever she hears about one dying - or even just getting hurt - she chokes up. I however am not as teary, with the exception of dogs. They'll make me cry. lol
You see? Not everyone will care as much, or care at all, but not everyone has to.
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