Oh no. Look I think Moore has done a good thing by making his "9/11" movie and I'm no fan of the Bush administration, but I wiil admit that he does play fast and loose with the truth about what happened. I haven't seen the movie YET, but even I have to admit that it's a slanted view.

There's a anti-Moore movie down the pike and I bet you it's going to have a slanted view in the other direction. As much as I love Moore's work, I wish if he continues on this partucular subject he doesn't take such a slanted view next time.

Le Dragon Fantome

this country is truly fucked up

A lot of Moore's stuff is too opinionated to be taken seriously. He seems to "stretch the truth" so to speak.

Digital_Assassin Wrote: this country is truly fucked up

How... colourfull. lol

While I don't 'entirly' agree with that statement, I would say that we have a lot problems to sort out.


Le Dragon Fantome

Wanderer Wrote: A lot of Moore's stuff is too opinionated to be taken seriously. He seems to "stretch the truth" so to speak.

Now think about what you just wrote! And I agree that he tends to stretch the truth too much on this subject, but he doesn't tell bold face lies though either!

Le Dragon Fantome

I haven't seen the movie but those clips seem edited.Like the clip with Bush golfing.He talks about the war then it quickly skips and Bush says "Now watch this swing."Just watch Bush's hand.First its down then you never see him raising it.It just automatically goes up.

I never liked Michael Moore.He has this stuck up attitude that alot of Hollywood people have.I'll just stick to my opinion on what happened.I don't think anyone knew 9/11 would happen.At the time it just seemed like something in a movie.And ever since I don't expect anything.The only thing I expect in life is Death.

man those sites just opened 10000000 more questions..... but do u guys agree wit wat they said???

ghostdragon Wrote: Now think about what you just wrote! And I agree that he tends to stretch the truth too much on this subject, but he doesn't tell bold face lies though either! Le Dragon Fantome

I didn't call Moore a liar, but he bends the truth in his favor more often than not.

heres another site...

ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

I think that first site can be trusted about as Bush or Moore really, but it does throw some interesting questions and "what if's" out there.

Moore for prez. I hope his movie hurts bushes votes.Bush isnt the sharpest knife in the droor.He cheated his first election it isnt going to happen a second time no damn recount.

Wanderer Wrote: ghostdragon Wrote: Now think about what you just wrote! And I agree that he tends to stretch the truth too much on this subject, but he doesn't tell bold face lies though either! Le Dragon Fantome I didn't call Moore a liar, but he bends the truth in his favor more often than not.

I think on this issue you're right. Bolling For Comumbine was so logical in it's analasys, that it really was really educational. I think his stance on the 9/11 and Iraq issues lean too far left that it clouds his objectivity to some degree and invites those on the 'right' to rip his opinions whenever they get the chance.


LDF

psyclobex Wrote: isnt the sharpest knife in the droor.

heh


The fact, fact, that Bush let Bin Ladens family fly away on 9/11 (tho no planes were allowed to fly but ok) is the worst thing I ever heard.

That was a fact long before mr moore's movie, but I still really wanna see it.

damn ima have nightmares about this... i wont rest till i know the truth!!! ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

j/k

well the nightmare part i ment...sigh... this world needs to change

ghostdragon Wrote: Digital_Assassin Wrote: this country is truly fucked up How... colourfull. lol While I don't 'entirly' agree with that statement, I would say that we have a lot problems to sort out. Le Dragon Fantome

Yes we do, but honestly...what country doesn't?

man to think i use to like bush... KERRY all the way!!ok i know im goin off topic but if kerry wins the election...i dont know y but i have this deep feelin in my gut that wat happen to kenndy might happen to kerry...please dont ask y but i just have that feeling...the gov is fuckin dirty

I bet the movie, Farenheight 9/11, was as horrible as The Passion of the Christ.

9/11 happened almost 4 years ago, get over it! The world Trade Center is down, people have died, I moved on. Even those who lost a loved one should move on as well.

Slugunner1023 Wrote: I bet the movie, Farenheight 9/11, was as horrible as The Passion of the Christ. 9/11 happened almost 4 years ago, get over it! The world Trade Center is down, people have died, I moved on. Even those who lost a loved one should move on as well.

were not discussin about the people who died...but the actions that caused their deaths

Digital_Assassin Wrote: man to think i use to like bush... KERRY all the way!!ok i know im goin off topic but if kerry wins the election...i dont know y but i have this deep feelin in my gut that wat happen to kenndy might happen to kerry...please dont ask y but i just have that feeling...the gov is fuckin dirty

Oh god. Kerry's just a terrible person. He's a fucking hypocrite. I would MUCH rather have Bush than Kerry.

Wanderer Wrote: Oh god. Kerry's just a terrible person. He's a fucking hypocrite. I would MUCH rather have Bush than Kerry.

i dont know..i feel like i can trust kerry more then bush

http://michnews.com/artman/publish/article_2894.shtml

Kerry the next black president? Yeah fuckin' right.


He cant even keep his eyes open when attempting to catch a ball. Kerry is officially nominated for biggest pussy in the world competition.


And lets not forget this letter to Kerry:

Dear Senator Kerry:
Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your
war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple,you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and
their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect.

You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War
II;and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty
in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit
just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard
and the navy.

In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My
father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handedly charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and
refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for
seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units.

You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early. My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to
publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left
behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East . Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into
allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese
regime.

You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and
dime-store Rambos.

As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and
our troops to win . Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to
war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win?

Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their
country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight.

Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the
answer is not just no, but Hell No !

Sincerely,
Michael Connelly
February 14, 2004 Dallas, Texas


You actually want this guy to be our president?

What kind of logic are you using? The guy who wrote that letter could be a mental patient for all you know. Let's make another letter and call it truthful :

Dear Mr Bush,
You have sex with goats and have both male and female genitalia. You also have a pumpkin where your right index finger should be.

Love,
Hyuga

There. It must be true.


Personally, I hate them both. I hate Bush more, though. Not as much for what he's done, but what he believes in. I don't want a religious zealot for president.

hey did any1 get the cd rock against bush.. its a good mix of punk rock against bush but anywayz.. the singer of NOFX ...fat mike ... he points out alot of good reasons 2 hate bush ... i think kerry is better... even though im only 14 n i really dont have a say.... just reading about how bush is a bad president makes u wanna get him outta office

yea fuck politics, politicians, and the American way, I've been sayin the shit on these sites since the week after 9/11, I've even gone as far as to say it was done to prevent another Stock market crash, by I digress fuck Law anarchy for all...