The_Kosai Wrote: It was OK. Jim Cavaziel was risking his career but really he's only starred in three major movies.

Hmm, I thought he had starred in more than just 3. I know he was in "The Thin Red Line" along with a bunch of other actors, but I personally thought he stood out.

Passion was very good. My only beef with it is that it concentrates too much on the suffering of Christ rather than all of his accomplishments, which I was disappointed with.

On an interesting note, the actor who played him was the same age Jesus was when he got crucified. Also, upon filming, people actually came up to that actor in awe actually thinking it WAS Jesus himself, because he looked so convincing.

MKSECRETS Wrote: Hmm, I thought he had starred in more than just 3. I know he was in "The Thin Red Line" along with a bunch of other actors, but I personally thought he stood out.

I meant that he was a lead and not in an ensemble as was the cast of "The Thin Red Line".

blade-tsung Wrote: I never knew this, but Mel Gibson actually told Jim Caviezel 'If you take this role, you might never work in this town again.', but he still did it. I think it's safe to say a star was born.

That's because James Caviezel is a Christian...

ErmackDaddy Wrote: ErmackDaddy Yes, but all the more reason to get the message across without having to make Corporations money that should go to support churches. Mel spent 30 million dollars on the movie, which is nothing compared to the fact that this is reaching alot of people and opening eyes. Thats priceless. I just don't agree with the greed of it.

Although I disagree with what you just posted, I don't think it deserved 5 skulls. The message of Jesus needs to be out there in movies, you don't have to ONLY support churches with your money. From the words of Kent Hovind, "You can either shoot, or carry bullets". Mel Gibson simply chose to shoot.

MKSECRETS Wrote: Here in Honduras, the movie has an "Above 12 years of age" rating, and I think it's totally wrong. The "R" rating is, IMO, well suited for what we see Christ go through. And BAV, while it is your opinion (which I respect) that Gibson isn't "brave", I disagree. Like BT mentioned, Jim Kaviezel (and practically everybody involved with this film) risked the chance of losing their bankability by making it, and if it wasn't for Mel taking money out of his own wallet to make it, there's no studio out there who would've ponied up the cash to do so.

I don't think God Himself would agree that you would have to be 17 years old to see a movie about Him... Besides, Mel Gibson made the movie, so let HIM decide what he wants to rate it.

xgthug Wrote: ErmackDaddy Wrote: ErmackDaddy Yes, but all the more reason to get the message across without having to make Corporations money that should go to support churches. Mel spent 30 million dollars on the movie, which is nothing compared to the fact that this is reaching alot of people and opening eyes. Thats priceless. I just don't agree with the greed of it. Although I disagree with what you just posted, I don't think it deserved 5 skulls.

He didn't get 5 skulls. ED simply puts those 5 skulls in his SIG on purpose.

xgthug Wrote: MKSECRETS Wrote: Here in Honduras, the movie has an "Above 12 years of age" rating, and I think it's totally wrong. The "R" rating is, IMO, well suited for what we see Christ go through. I don't think God Himself would agree that you would have to be 17 years old to see a movie about Him... Besides, Mel Gibson made the movie, so let HIM decide what he wants to rate it.

Didn't I say that I thought the 'R' rating was right on the money?

crazymkfan Wrote: Passion was very good. My only beef with it is that it concentrates too much on the suffering of Christ rather than all of his accomplishments, which I was disappointed with.

Well, that's kind of the point of the movie, to focus on the last 12 hours of Jesus's life, His suffering, and possibly His resurrection. There's a miniseries of movies called Jesus of Nazareth that tells the story of his whole life in detail (not a quick run-through like King of Kings). Jesus of Nazareth is kind of cheesy in that it's not very realistic, like for example when Jesus is getting the nails driven into his palms like one little drop of blood comes out, no scars appear from being whipped, etc, and it rains after He dies (like it does in every Jesus movie), even though the Bible never says it rained. The sky darkened, but it din' rain. But, anyway, it does remain powerful enough to get you all choked up, if you're sensitive about your faith that is. Happens to me every time I watch it.
Anyway, I haven't seen this new one yet, but the trailer gets me all choked up, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it first chance I get. Everyone I've heard from has at least shed a tear while watching it, a couple even said they flat-out cried, which is probably what I'll end up doing. I'm a sissy like that.

foahchon Wrote: ...it does remain powerful enough to get you all choked up, if you're sensitive about your faith that is. Happens to me every time I watch it.Anyway, I haven't seen this new one yet, but the trailer gets me all choked up, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it first chance I get. Everyone I've heard from has at least shed a tear while watching it, a couple even said they flat-out cried, which is probably what I'll end up doing. I'm a sissy like that.

Dude, I didn't cry, but that's only 'cause I fought like crazy not to. The scenes where Mary & Mary Magdalene are suffering themselves because of what Christ is going through...when Christ Himself is (despite what they're doing to him) STILL defending those who are torturing Him...man, if that doesn't get to someone, nothing will.

That movie was gruesome, powerful, and an experience in itself... just the amount of blood around where he was tortured was disturbing and the fact he had to walk to his death and still defended those who were doing this to him... even if they didn't crucify him in the end he would of died of infection due to his wounds... a must see for anyone who considers themself a Christian.

It doesn't get to some people who are a little more objective and release there is no proof that Christ exisited or that the events happened. There is not even a lot of edvidence. And if you could prove that Christ did exist, you would still need to prove the events happened the way they did. These tails were passed on by very shaddy people, and aside from rants from a few "Christian Scientists" and the bible there is nothing indicating thats how things happened.
So some are a little skeptical of the story, the MYTHOLOGY of it. And if you cry or are too emotionaly attached to that, you are silly. Now if that is your faith and you truly believe it fine, but don't imply that others are devoid of emotion!
I keep going back to the movie Gladiator. It was loosely based on events which historians believed happened, and it is admitatly fictionalized for effect. But there is no proof the events took place. You can't proof Christ anymore than you can proof the profet Mohammad. I am not telling you it did not happen the way the movie depicted, I am saying no one knows.

MKSECRETS Wrote: foahchon Wrote: ...it does remain powerful enough to get you all choked up, if you're sensitive about your faith that is. Happens to me every time I watch it.Anyway, I haven't seen this new one yet, but the trailer gets me all choked up, and I'm really looking forward to seeing it first chance I get. Everyone I've heard from has at least shed a tear while watching it, a couple even said they flat-out cried, which is probably what I'll end up doing. I'm a sissy like that. Dude, I didn't cry, but that's only 'cause I fought like crazy not to. The scenes where Mary & Mary Magdalene are suffering themselves because of what Christ is going through...when Christ Himself is (despite what they're doing to him) STILL defending those who are torturing Him...man, if that doesn't get to someone, nothing will.

Well, first I'd like to say that, while evidence for Jesus's existence is not abundant, it is quite sufficient. A few quacks dispute the historical Jesus, like the few that dispute the historical Holocaust. Jesus's divinity, on the other hand, seems to be a matter of faith.

Secondly, I donno, a guy laying down his life for his friends, and then showing them unconditional love and forgiving them for their betrayal, which resulted in his torturous death in the first place...that's pretty moving. I wouldn't be too happy if my friends betrayed me and that resulted in my brutal death, personally...

There are people alive who lived through the hollocust. There is video. There are people, who commited the crimes against the Jews, who have done interviews admiting it. People who belief Jesus existed, for whatever reason, often use this because it was a recent tragedy. Be wary of this it is deceptive.
Now there is no actual evidence that Jesus existed. There is only speculation. Listen you can't say there is strong evidence cause it was written about and there was this blanket, etc. No, it would not hold up in a court of law!
Tell me you believe it cause of faith and I accept that. Tell me you believe it because of proof or evidence and you are either foolish or lying!

This post is not intended to attack anyone, I strongly respect people who have strong faith and live their lives with it while not trying to live other people's lives. So if you are really pissed at me, PM me so the mods don't start getting pissed.

foahchon Wrote: Well, first I'd like to say that, while evidence for Jesus's existence is not abundant, it is quite sufficient. A few quacks dispute the historical Jesus, like the few that dispute the historical Holocaust. Jesus's divinity, on the other hand, seems to be a matter of faith. Secondly, I donno, a guy laying down his life for his friends, and then showing them unconditional love and forgiving them for their betrayal, which resulted in his torturous death in the first place...that's pretty moving. I wouldn't be too happy if my friends betrayed me and that resulted in my brutal death, personally...

There are historical accounts of Jesus's existence or events surrounding Jesus's life penned by historians such as Tacitus, Josephus, Thallus, Pliny, and Lucian. There are others, but not quite as reliable.

*Ahem*born-again-vampire, I would like to point out, that unlike Jesus(peace be upon him), Prophet Muhammad(pbuh), is not disputeable as a historical figure. Prophet Muhammad(pbug), was not only a religious leader, but the founder of en empire, and head of state. All of the events surrounding him were on historical records as well. He is buried in a tomb in Medina, Saudi Arabia. If you mean his PROPHETHOOD is disputeable, yes there have been many debates about this. However, his existence as a historical figure, once again, are not disputeable.

Ok, now I will say what I wanted to say about the film. In Islam, it is considered Haram(Forbidden) to portray any of the Prophets in film, plays, stuff like that. It takes away for their message. This is no different with Hazrat Isa(peace be upon him, Isa(pronounced ee-suh) is the Islamic name for Jesus, Hazrat is just a title of respect).

Also, as for the topic of crucifiction itself, and laying blame on Jews etc. It was really the Romans(although the Jews to a certain extent were involved). Al-Qur'an addresses this issue very clearly. Under Islamic belief, it was only a likeness of Isa(pbuh) put upon the cross, he was actually raised to Jannat(heaven) without having died.

“That they rejected faith: that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge. That they said (in boast) "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary the Apostle of Allah"; but they killed him not nor crucified him but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts with no (certain) knowledge but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power Wise. And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them.”
Chapter 4, Verses 156-159

Islamic belief has strong ties with the Prophethood of Isa(pbuh), which I've found suprises many Christians. He is very important to Islamic beliefs. In Islam we believe that Isa(pbuh) will return to this Earth during the time of Al-Dajjal(the anti-Christ) and Imam Mahdi(he will rise up and lead the Muslim community during this tribulation). He will descend from the skys during Friday's prayers at the Ummayd Mosque in Damascus, Syria, upon the wings of two angels. He will be offered to lead the prayer but will decline and instead pray behind the Imam(prayer leader), he will slay Dajjal, and "break the cross and kill the swine", meaning that during his time Christianity and Judaism will end. He will then rule over the world according to God's law and will live a natural life, marry, father children, and die(he'll live 40 years). He will be buried in Medina next to the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

Anywya, thought it'd be itneresting to express our beliefs regarding this.

TemperaryUserName Wrote: ErmackDaddy Wrote: Well, I have not seen it, but my issue is this. Being as it's a huge movie, if people pocket any money at all, to me its wrong. Capitalizing on Jesus and his story is terrible, and I'm agnostic. I dunno That's excusable, because until this movie was released, a lot of Christians really didn't understand the signicance of Christs Sacrafice, and how painful it truly was. I think this movie was a well-done wake-up call. Really, the whole point of the movie was to show how much Jesus really loved us. I think a bit too many people are missing that point.

It looked kinda over the top, but my dad did make a good point, Gibson probably purposely put it over the top to show how much he really went through.

MKSECRETS Wrote: The scenes where Mary & Mary Magdalene are suffering themselves because of what Christ is going through...when Christ Himself is (despite what they're doing to him) STILL defending those who are torturing Him...man, if that doesn't get to someone, nothing will.

Just reading that made me sad....shame this won't be on DVD

It wont?I guess I'll have to try and get a "copy".

blade-tsung Wrote: MKSECRETS Wrote: The scenes where Mary & Mary Magdalene are suffering themselves because of what Christ is going through...when Christ Himself is (despite what they're doing to him) STILL defending those who are torturing Him...man, if that doesn't get to someone, nothing will. Just reading that made me sad....shame this won't be on DVD

born-again-vampire Wrote:
I have not seen the movie. I have no beef with Mel Gibson, but I don't think he is brave for doing this movie. He made an easy choice to do it. My real beef is how the media reacts to this movie. Historically this movie is about as acurate as Gladiator. That's not to say it is a lie or misrepresents the truth, but its not based on any solid fondation.

I think the Bible is solid enough.

ugh horrible movie

once u get past the controversy the movie fall flat.

the acting is bad, except the way they speak the other language is good.

the lighting is horrible, pacing is a problem.

it just tried to hard to be important

i hope the controversy will end so people will stop seeing the movie and understand how bad it is.

To be honest, I don't think anyone who uses 'satan' or '666' in a name anywhere would appreciate this movie, don't you think?

I myself have yet to see it.

my atheism has nothing to do with my opinion on this movie.

i just didn't like it for the reasons mentioned
i think the controversy is the only thing making people see it.

out of all the jesus movies, this is one of the worst, i'll stick to "the last temptation.." thank you very much.

The Bible can be fiction for all you know.

linkinparkfreak Wrote: I think the Bible is solid enough.

mister_satan666 Wrote: ugh horrible movie once u get past the controversy the movie fall flat. the acting is bad, except the way they speak the other language is good. the lighting is horrible, pacing is a problem. it just tried to hard to be important i hope the controversy will end so people will stop seeing the movie and understand how bad it is.

Believe it or not, I ain't gonna rip ya on this 'cause

a)It's your opinion and you have every right to not like the movie

2)Despite how much I personally loved the movie, I agree that a significant # of people will watch it solely 'cause of the controversy and no other reason.

mister_satan666 Wrote: out of all the jesus movies, this is one of the worst, i'll stick to "the last temptation.." thank you very much.

Say what you will about Jim Caviezel, but he makes me believe he's Jesus much more than Willem Dafoe ever did.