Here is the magazine excerpt. The way it's worded makes me feel much more strongly about their playable inclusion:

Raven made it in? I thought they would have gone with Circe, Dr. Fate or Zatanna. Still, we have a cool magic user. That's good enough for me.

Well yeah, that's who they think of as Robin, but the characters wld play very different. I mean, robin is a role, not a person. Its a name. I wld also say tim drake is another a lot of people associate w robin. Since he was in the animated series and teen titans quite a bit, as well as Arkham City recently. And if there's current comic readers, it'd be damian wayne. So robin isn't really in, just one of the people who used to be him, who's now a different identity. But I see what ur saying, but I wldnt label it as robin being in, but "close enough" to satisfy most fans. But I bet if they sold Robin as Dlc, tim drake or damian etc. Or even an alt costume of robin, most peeps would buy it to get the more authentic robin experience.

I disagree. I think the people they're marketing this too that aren't already fans are the Christopher Nolan ew Robin kind of people.
And yes Robin is a role but Dick Grayson is THE Robin. The only person that comes close to him in Robinism is Tim Drake. The speedy highly acrobatic fighting style that Nightwing has would go just as well on any Robin. Hell they even gave Nightwing the Tim Drake bo staff. It's clear that Nightwing is here not as a close enough, but because of people that aren't comic fans reaction to him.

There's actually a pic of raven in game on gamefaqs.

This makes me remember when MK9 was nearing it's release date, and Kabal was one of the last characters revealed. I was getting parranoid with that and so were Smoke fans about not seeing him until the game was about a week from release.

I'm 99.99% confident MMHunter will make the initial roster as well as Aquaman because those 2 are DC's main icons that are left out of the roster right now. I really REALLY wanted Bane to make the roster but I knew it was only wishful thinking. When he was announced recently my heart skipped a beat. Couldn't believe it.

This is just the usual PR crap that WB is forcin NRS to hold off on from revealing too much before the game comes out. At this rate you have a better chance of finding out wether aliens have actually visited area 51 or not.

Great Post Shaolin. I've always admired your knowledge.

I see what ur saying, but I still think both nightwing and robin(drake or damian) could be implemented, and be completely different, making it worth it. I for one would enjoy having robin, the name in the lifebar, his outfit, his weapon, specials, and personality in story etc. represented outside of just nightwing. There's enough differences to merit both imo. Id also like the red hood(jason todd) for that matter.

And yeah, to fans who aren't comic readers, maybe they wldnt care for inclusion of robin, but to comic diehards, its nothing strange to have multiple robins and nightwing etc. All together and they serve different purposes etc. But ya, I get where you're comin from.

Y'know, I keep getting the feeling that one of the main draws of this game is that it will have an abnormally large roster. The roster is pretty big already and I have a feeling that there's still a few more coming.

I think it'd definitely work with Red Hood or Red Robin maybe but I think they'd come out too same-y.

I kind of feel like Martian Manhunter is a bit more of a legitimate worry though. I can't tell you why I think that, I just kind of do. Like if NRS was making a list of people they could leave out and still have a rather "complete" feeling he'd be somewhere near the top.
Because did anyone think Smoke and Kabal weren't going to make it in MK9? Sheeva and Rain were the ones I was worried about. I'd hate for Jonn to get Rain'd. or Shuma-Gorath'd.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ve-iVmqxzQ

Well, let's break it down and list the differences at hand:

Nightwing (Dick Grayson, the first Robin):
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090225203242/marvel_dc/images/f/fe/Nightwing_0002.jpg
Weapon of choice: Escrima Sticks.
His personality is very strong willed and Independent, but extremely loyal to Bruce. He's usually pretty cocky and brash, with something sarcastic to say to play off Bruce's more serious approach.


Red Hood (Jason Todd, the 2nd Robin):
Weapon(s) of coice: Hand guns and knife.
He was troubled youth, which led to him being a bit more stubborn. Of course, he died by the Joker's hands before Batman could save him, which led to him becoming revived by the Lazarus Pits, and taking the role as the Red Hood. He is an anti-hero, and is similar to Batman, but he isn't affraid to kill if necessary. He takes a more serious, dark brooding tone.


Red Robin (Tim Drake, the 3rd Robin)
Weapon of choice: Bo-staff
Tim is a member of the Teen Titans. He's seen as the smartest Robin in terms of intellect, and shres similar qualities as other Bat family members: "The intellect and detective skills of Bruce, the ability to lead others and be a friend to others like Dick has and even the ability to make cold, harsh decisions like Jason does." Making him extremely well rounded.


Robin (Damian Wayne, Bruce's & Talia's son, 5th and current Robin)
Weapon of choice: Katana
He was trained by the League of Assassins at a young age, and thus, he has no hesitation in killing others. Which causes a troubled relationship with Bruce, he's very cold and distant with him. He is trained in every weapon known to man, and he is an expert in impersonating voices and engineering.

Idk, obviously we just see it two different ways. I don't see having Nightwing and 1 of the other 3, as same-y, any more-so than Grundy and Bane(brute brawlers), Harley and Catwoman(acrobatic), or other characters with similar fighting styles, but completely different execution and story purpose. Plus, I could see why they wouldn't have them in the main roster together, sure, but having 1 of the other 3 as DLC wouldn't be too far-fetched imo. With different weapon styles, it'd be easy to come up with different base attacks and specials based just on that.

But yeah, as I said, obviously we just see things similar, we're just on seperate sides of what'd be different enough and what's not.

Ed Boon just posted this on Twitter:

"Ed Boon ‏@noobde

@LikeOldJob That DOES look Raven to me. :) But remember, just because a character is in the story mode doesn't confirm they are playable. " https://twitter.com/noobde

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They're not gonna stack the deck with all of the baby characters, so it stands to reason, with a couple of [former] Teen Titans on the roster, you're not gonna get too many more.

Raven still might get in, but the odds of a story mode only appearance are even, at the very least. There's always DLC, but this was never a confirmation of anything more than an appearance. It's a fifty-fifty. (Who am I kidding? It's better than fifty-fifty).

Pretty much my thoughts on all these magazine articles telling of characters they see. Nobody said they were playable, and with just a mention in a magazine, or a pic from a cinematic, You can never be too sure. We just need not to jump to conclusions 'til we have actual confirmation or undeniable proof. That's the kind of conclusion jumping that leads to disappointments.

As for Boon's statement, he's gotta save face a bit. The magazine didn't confirm anything, because as far as they said, they didn't say she was playable. So of course Boon isn't going to confirm anything more. He just likes to torture us. lol

One thing to note is that all other characters seen in the screenshot with her ARE playable.

God I hate Damian. Anyway. When I was speaking on the Robins I was speaking mainly about Tim and Dick(and to a lesser extent Damian). I agree that Red Hood would be a great addition.

Honestly the point of this response is to say I hate Damian.

Exactly my thinking. It just seems like an odd way of going about showing off the game: 'Here's a description of characters fighting and a picture, but the new characters revealed are just cameo's.'
That kind of marketing doesn't stand to reason. It's anti-climactic and unjustly raises hopes. DLC really isn't a comfort, either.

I don't want to sound ungrateful or that I'm complaining, because I'm not trying to. I just feel that if your going to talk about, show, or hint at characters, they shouldn't be the characters that aren't playable. It tears down hype for the game, in my opinion. And I really hope they wouldn't market and show the game off by spreading around "But these characters may not be playable" when a new character is shown. Either you come out and say 'so and so isn't playable', or just don't saying anything at all about playability. So far the way they are going about this, especially to the hardcore fans (who are really the only ones that keep themselves up to date on miniscule reveals like Raven, for example) is a mistake. I can only hope that everyone they hinted at, or revealed in a magazine so far is playable so no one is disappointed that their favorite character didn't make it. But alas, they can't please everyone.

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but joking aside, chances are it's just Boon trying to troll and cover NRS bases, Raven is going to be in the game



Ed Boon loves to troll fans, he did it for MK9 and he's doing it now for Injustice. I think that all of the characters that have been hinted at or confirmed in magazines are going to be in the game. I think in the coming weeks and months we'll start getting trailers featuring Bane, Lex Luthor, Aquaman, Sinestro, Black Adam, Ares, Doomsday, Martian Manhunter, Captain Cold, The Penguin, Captain Marvel/Shazam and Raven.


Like I said earlier with all of these characters getting hinted/confirmed, I've already came to terms that Gorilla Grodd won't be on the main roster and chances are he won't even be DLC

At this point in time. It's really up in the air about who will be considered and added as playable atm. I too am on the Fence about MM's initial roster inclusion. God I'd love for nothing more then for him to be announced and confirmed as playable. I even went back to watch MKvsDCU when flash was being consumed by rage and wonder woman said she'd send Martian Manhunter. I replayed that 3x just to hear it. So little by little I'm trying to contain my excitement for his possible announcement by looking up pics, reading comics of his from new 52. Signature making as you can see by my new sig. Stuff to kill time and help me pass the worry.

I would say to you, not to give up hope, as I still am fighting to believe MM will make it. Grodd is a great power based character. And in the Flash comic I have from new 52, he and flash go head to head. It seems as though...


His New 52 Look:


I'd say unless we get confirms on Captain Cold, Reverse Flash/Zoom. I would not count him out. With him having the *insert above spoiler* I think he will be useful. Especially with his new 52 look. There's much that can be done with his character now. If you read Gorilla Warfare. You will see some of the Havoc he causes. I have a good feeling your fav will make it. Don't as me why, I just got that hunch... Think Moloch from MK but much smarter.

Keep in mind guys, this game takes place 5 or so years in the future, and it's a "what if" kind of story if i'm not mistaken. This isn't anything following any sort of continuity, so not sure the new 52 has much to do with what to expect.

I only consider the possibilities due to the heavy fact they are aiming at new 52 costumes. So to how far that plays out in this games actual own canon I'm not certain about. But thought I'd distinguish the fact that if possible, he could be considered based on those terms alone.

Well, they have said they're their own designs for the characters. I mean, Batman doesn't look like New 52 Batman, nor does Wonder Woman, Flash, Catwoman, Nightwing, or Superman. Joker still has his face intact(would be an awesome alt. if he had his current look). So imo, I don't think they are based on the new 52, and to even further back that up, aren't they selling the new 52 outfits as alternate attires that you get by buying the CE/BE? Which I can't wait for, because personally, Batman's main costume in the game doesn't look too great. Not digging the metal going up the sides of the cowl and such, I prefer the New 52/classic look.

I think they(New 52 outfits) are only being sold as downloadable alts., because they had to offer some sort of classic/modern look.