PLEASE explain why people want Red Hood.
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posted10/09/2013 09:46 PM (UTC)by
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I don't get it. There is already a skin for him in the game.
He is basically just going to be Deathstroke (who most people hated in the beginning) in Batman-like (who a lot of people hate because too many Batman characters) clothing.

There is no way he will have a really unique moveset.

I DON'T GET IT! Why is this guy so requested?

Ahead of characters with way more potential like Swamp Thing, Poison Ivy and Atrocious.


To the Red Hood fans, would a skin for Nightwing or Deathstroke make you happy?
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08/08/2013 10:00 AM (UTC)
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Its because he is a good guy gone very bad.

Jason Todd (The Current Red Hood) was brutally murdered by the Joker while he was Robin.

He was actually voted to be killed off by the public.

He was then resurrected by Ra's Al Ghul, because he felt guilty, there was no "Justice" in Robin's death. But the Lazarus Pit tends to fuck up people's minds.

So he eventually returns to Gotham and Black Mask is the guy trying to run the Underworld and he murders criminals/Black Mask thugs to send a message that HE is the guy they need to follow.

This is all Pre Nu 52 So I dont know if its still the correct history.

I agree overall though, dont want him, might have been cool in the Story mode, much like most of the character but it wasn't to be.

Rather have Black Canary, Power Girl, Robocop, Darksied etc.
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08/08/2013 10:09 AM (UTC)
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I guess Red Hood gets his fans because of his personality.

What's funny to me, is people hating on Power Girl because she's 'just a Superman clone', but in the same breath keep rooting for RH to make it into the game.

And remember all those 'no more Batman characters!' outcries?

I get why people want him, though. He's edgy, a rebel, an anti-hero (that alone automatically labels him as 'cool' to many people). Plus he's got dual guns (who doesn't love dual guns, right?), a leather jacket and his red mask is pretty sweet as well. So I understand why he's popular with some.

But in the end, he's going to bring nothing new to the table. He's an acrobatic (Nightwing) assassin (Deathstroke) with guns (Deathstroke again) who was trained by Batman (Batgirl/Nightwing again).

But hey, people say that about Power Girl as well (bringing nothing new to the table... even though Batgirl plays nothing like Batman, just like Zod plays nothing like Superman), and I still want her in. So it's all good. If they want Red Hood in the game, who am I to argue, right? Personally though, I don't think he should get a spot.

If you want another martial artist in the game, then go with Black Canary. She's go that Canary Cry at least.

But if we only have 2 spots remaining, then I think there are far better (and more unique) choices to pick from. Like Starfire, for example.
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08/08/2013 11:58 AM (UTC)
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You guys sum up my feelings.

I think people forget this is a game, meaning you need good gameplay first. Seem to be too much concern for backstory/looks/costumes when deciding who they want in.

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08/08/2013 02:14 PM (UTC)
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WhereThereIsSmoke Wrote:
You guys sum up my feelings.

I think people forget this is a game, meaning you need good gameplay first. Seem to be too much concern for backstory/looks/costumes when deciding who they want in.



I honestly doubt he would play any different. I really don't want him in.
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08/08/2013 02:30 PM (UTC)
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Siroj Wrote:
What's funny to me, is people hating on Power Girl because she's 'just a Superman clone', but in the same breath keep rooting for RH to make it into the game.

And remember all those 'no more Batman characters!' outcries?
That seems to be the name of the game as of late. But, AHEM, I won't get into that again lol.

People want him because they like him. I think that's it that's all.
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08/08/2013 02:53 PM (UTC)
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oracle Wrote:
Siroj Wrote:
What's funny to me, is people hating on Power Girl because she's 'just a Superman clone', but in the same breath keep rooting for RH to make it into the game.

And remember all those 'no more Batman characters!' outcries?
That seems to be the name of the game as of late. But, AHEM, I won't get into that again lol.

People want him because they like him. I think that's it that's all.


How many batarangs could a Batman bat if a Batman could bat batarangs?

As for Powergirl, I don't feel strongly about her but a female grappler could be fun. Give a guy the tit-squeeze of death.
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08/08/2013 05:16 PM (UTC)
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Yeah as far as Power Girl goes I prefer Supergirl but that's not a HUGE difference you know? Being a lady grappler would be cool, I can see her getting some of Jax's moves. Flying fist first at someone then bringing them in the air and breaking their backs. Maybe some Sonya style Arc Kick type move as well.
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08/08/2013 05:51 PM (UTC)
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She should also get Rain' roundhouse kick... but make it a punch. That would be funny. Hit 'em so hard they come flying back from the other side. tongue
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08/08/2013 06:14 PM (UTC)
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Explain why I want a character in the game?
Here's my explanation "Fuck off!"
I like who I like, you like who you like. End of story. No explanation needed. And no, he's not like Deathstroke! People like Red Hood Jason Todd, move on.
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08/08/2013 06:35 PM (UTC)
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After Martian Manhunter; I don't give a dam who else is added into the game.
As long as it's character I like, will like, enjoy playing, I'll buy.

If Red Hood is in, awesome, im cool with it other not. Just shows you can't satisfy everyone.

If Bd'g is in, some would be thrilled, I wouldn't

Swamp Thing was in cool for others, me...I don't really know about him so I can't talk

Blue beetle is, seems like someone I would buy. Some will like, others hate

Black Canary, I'd definitely like her, others wouldn't

If Power girl is in cool, for some, others (kind of me) not too much or at all (im slightly biased with 'Super' Characters though ironically I think Superboy is cool, based off Young Justice...)

So no matter what, 50% will be pleased, 50% will be pissed.


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08/08/2013 07:35 PM (UTC)
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evilekim Wrote:
Explain why I want a character in the game?
Here's my explanation "Fuck off!"
I like who I like, you like who you like. End of story. No explanation needed. And no, he's not like Deathstroke! People like Red Hood Jason Todd, move on.

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08/08/2013 07:49 PM (UTC)
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Murcielago Wrote:
evilekim Wrote:
Explain why I want a character in the game?
Here's my explanation "Fuck off!"
I like who I like, you like who you like. End of story. No explanation needed. And no, he's not like Deathstroke! People like Red Hood Jason Todd, move on.



Sorry, I'm getting really annoyed with this whole topic. Every week it's some jackass saying "why this?" "Why that" "why do like them" seriously?



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08/08/2013 08:54 PM (UTC)
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evilekim Wrote:
Murcielago Wrote:
evilekim Wrote:
Explain why I want a character in the game?
Here's my explanation "Fuck off!"
I like who I like, you like who you like. End of story. No explanation needed. And no, he's not like Deathstroke! People like Red Hood Jason Todd, move on.



Sorry, I'm getting really annoyed with this whole topic. Every week it's some jackass saying "why this?" "Why that" "why do like them" seriously?





But WHY do you want him in? Its not a condescending question. Discussion is the idea here.

You've said you like Red Hood, what do you like about him? and what do you think he can bring to the table in Injustice? What moves could he have? what would his super be?

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08/08/2013 09:19 PM (UTC)
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Siroj Wrote:
She should also get Rain' roundhouse kick... but make it a punch. That would be funny. Hit 'em so hard they come flying back from the other side. tongue


If she gets this I might have to main her. tongue
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08/08/2013 09:22 PM (UTC)
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"I don't get it. There is already a skin for him in the game.
He is basically just going to be Deathstroke (who most people hated in the beginning) in Batman-like (who a lot of people hate because too many Batman characters) clothing."

Wrong

"There is no way he will have a really unique moveset."

Wrong again, ppl said the same thing about wolverine and x-23 and they were all wrong.


"I DON'T GET IT! Why is this guy so requested?

Ahead of characters with way more potential like Swamp Thing, Poison Ivy and Atrocious."

That's personal opinion, all 4 of those characters are heavily requested.


"To the Red Hood fans, would a skin for Nightwing or Deathstroke make you happy?"

No, would a MM skin on superman due for you?
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08/08/2013 09:23 PM (UTC)
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raidenthefridge Wrote:
evilekim Wrote:
Murcielago Wrote:
evilekim Wrote:
Explain why I want a character in the game?
Here's my explanation "Fuck off!"
I like who I like, you like who you like. End of story. No explanation needed. And no, he's not like Deathstroke! People like Red Hood Jason Todd, move on.



Sorry, I'm getting really annoyed with this whole topic. Every week it's some jackass saying "why this?" "Why that" "why do like them" seriously?





But WHY do you want him in? Its not a condescending question. Discussion is the idea here.

You've said you like Red Hood, what do you like about him? and what do you think he can bring to the table in Injustice? What moves could he have? what would his super be?



Red Hood has a lot to bring to the table. Granted that some of it is fan service, but isn't that what DLC is? The DLC characters weren't in the story, they are just characters that you can play as, and they shouldn't have such a high bar set for them. "Look it's a new character, they better not be like anybody else!" F that! NRS got there shot to deliver what they think we like. DLC is our turn to say "awesome game, but can you add this to it"

That aside, watching Red Hood fight Joker would be amazing! I would consider his fighting style(like most)to resemble Nightwing. Hit B or circle to switch between Hand or Gun attacks.. Put some specialty knife attacks in there along with grappling hooks and bombs. I would also like to have a Robin look as his alternate costume. A special move could be; Jason starts is off with a knife combo, then throws a grappling wire around the player, pulls out dual handguns and lays into them, after the opponent falls, Red Hood puts a current through the wire and electrocutes them :)





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08/08/2013 10:45 PM (UTC)
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Oh yeah, seeing a duel between RH and Joker would be pretty sweet.

Though I would still prefer someone else. The main reason for this being the fact that he's got no real superpowers. Okay, Catwoman also has no superpowers and neither do Deathstroke, Batman, Nightwing, ... I get that. But if we're only going to get 2 more characters, then I'd rather them be people with actual powers instead of a 'normal' guy with guns.

Like I mentioned Starfire. There no fire-based character in the game, except for maybe Scorpion. Or Black Canary... although I don't think putting her in only for that one vocal move would be enough. I would rather see characters that bring a whole new set of powers to the game. (Yes, I know that when I say this, I'm actually speaking against Power Girl.)

Beast Boy or Swamp Thing are also good examples, although NRS probably isn't going to put a controllable shapeshifters in the game (the days of MK2-3 Shang Tsung aren't coming back anytime soon, I reckon). Sure, MM is also a shapeshifter, but he only changes during the intro, outro and super... and we don't control him at that point.

Blue Beetle might also be nice, but I fear his powers are too close to Cyborg's, at least visually.

So while I have nothing against RH (the dude kicks some major ass), I honestly feel that it would be a waste of a slot, based on powers alone.

But ofcourse, that's just me talking here. smile
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08/08/2013 11:35 PM (UTC)
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though I would not mind Red Hood. personally; some cool next characters would be

Heroes: Black Canary, Starfire, Fire or Firestorm would be cool (though Starfire or Fire just cause the game needs more dames lol), Red Tornado

villains: Red Volcano, Nekron, I think Scarecrow can be cool if they give him weaponized fear tools, Larfleeze, Circe?


Bonus costume/skins:
Merlyn/TV Black arrow for Green Arrow
Classic Robin hood Green Arrow
N52 Nightwing#0 Robin, N52 Red Robin or just Robin in general for Nightwing
Classic sinestro (his blue suit)
justice League unlimited Hawkgirl (without armor and helmet, just track/gym suit she wears)


And that's i've got. im sure someone else can do better
lol

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08/09/2013 01:09 AM (UTC)
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08/09/2013 01:33 AM (UTC)
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So it seems like the Red Hood fans are few but loud.
I personally dont want him in, I understand that people like him and they want him in but there are more characters with a kind of potential that hasn't been displayed in the game yet.
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08/09/2013 07:11 PM (UTC)
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It's because of this:



It was a great animated film, somewhat recent, that was likely the first exposure to the character for many average fans of the genre. So it's likely that this is what brought people on to the character. Understandably so.

Personally, I think it's about time we all grow up and just accept that we all have our favorites. It doesn't matter if they are similar in powers/abilities/style of another character. At the end of the day, they can be made to play completely differently.

If you can have Captain Marvel and Black Adam, Hal and Sinestro, Bane and Grundy, as well as Batman and Batgirl etc. and they all play differently... You can have Deathstroke and Red Hood, Power Girl and Superman, Swamp Thing and Ivy, Frost and Freeze/Cold, Zatanna and Fate etc.

It really doesn't matter. They design them to serve different purposes (rush, close, defensive, mid, range, brawler, grappler, fast, slow, powerful, combo heavy, special heavy etc.).

Don't try and belittle someone else's favorite.
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TheBigCityToilet
08/09/2013 07:29 PM (UTC)
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because Batman, basically.
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LucaTurilli
08/09/2013 08:23 PM (UTC)
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Because he had a movie about him and he was badass in it. People that want him probably know jack shit about him.
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08/09/2013 09:03 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
It's because of this:



It was a great animated film, somewhat recent, that was likely the first exposure to the character for many average fans of the genre. So it's likely that this is what brought people on to the character. Understandably so.

Personally, I think it's about time we all grow up and just accept that we all have our favorites. It doesn't matter if they are similar in powers/abilities/style of another character. At the end of the day, they can be made to play completely differently.

If you can have Captain Marvel and Black Adam, Hal and Sinestro, Bane and Grundy, as well as Batman and Batgirl etc. and they all play differently... You can have Deathstroke and Red Hood, Power Girl and Superman, Swamp Thing and Ivy, Frost and Freeze/Cold, Zatanna and Fate etc.

It really doesn't matter. They design them to serve different purposes (rush, close, defensive, mid, range, brawler, grappler, fast, slow, powerful, combo heavy, special heavy etc.).

Don't try and belittle someone else's favorite.


This is a great reply :)
My problem with these conversations, is that people attack each other because they like a character. You end up getting comments like this...

LucaTurilli Wrote:
Because he had a movie about him and he was badass in it. People that want him probably know jack shit about him.


This is usually the point where I lose interest in chatting with people.
(Sarcasm heavy)They're probably right though, It must be because a movie that people like Red Hood. It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he used to be Robin from that one comic, oh what's it called....Batman and Robin! It probably has nothing to do with the controversial killing of Robin chose via phone over 25 years ago. And it's definitely got nothing to do with the comics that brought him back, resulting in shaking up the entire DC Universe. New 52 probably didn't bring in a new audience either.






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