I like it a lot, good style.

It's almost hysterical how you can take PRAISE so easily from people with just as much knowledge/lack thereof as the people that CRITICISE your work, and yet bad-mouth the ones that say you could have done differently. Double-standard, anyone?

And last I checked, I made no mention of MY art anywhere, as it has little or nothing to do with the attitude you're shoving in our faces just because you can't take a little negativity.

And if I remember correctly, I said nice things about your work.

Jog my memory, SPOOn, who was one of those 10 winners of the MKDA Fanart contest? Oh yeah, that's right... not Wakinyan. SPOOn has developed something called a unique "style", not some uniformity that so many others seem to posses. Learn to take a critique which, sadly, will require you to take the stick from out of your ass.You said you want to see others' artwork so you can see who's critiquing you and thus have merit for their crits? Who made you the all high and all mighty of artistic skill? Apparently not that art school...

Well first of all, when this so called contest happened, I wasn't comming to this site. And Rammspoon has very little talent to be spoken of. Rammspoon did not however post to critique my work but to start shit. He lost his credibility and has no integrity. I do have a Fine Arts degree from the University of Texas in El Paso (UTEP). And I am sure I have been doing this longer than you been alive. So you kids need to grow up, and take your jealousy somewhere else. And this is the last comment I will make about Rammspoon or his friends who just come to talk shit. Anymore said, just shows your jealousy and that y'all have no integrity. Rammspoon couldn't critique my work because he was jealous, so he resorted to childish acts of slander. Grow up, plain and simple.

born2beexpendable Wrote: Jog my memory, SPOOn, who was one of those 10 winners of the MKDA Fanart contest? Oh yeah, that's right... not Wakinyan. SPOOn has developed something called a unique "style", not some uniformity that so many others seem to posses. Learn to take a critique which, sadly, will require you to take the stick from out of your ass.You said you want to see others' artwork so you can see who's critiquing you and thus have merit for their crits? Who made you the all high and all mighty of artistic skill? Apparently not that art school...

WOW thats great, the outfit is cool, but damn the head looks cool...

Rammspoon started up with you because you were being an ass. Also because people don't like your work doesn't mean their jealous, maybe they just don't like it. You may have been drawing longer then most of us for whatever amount of time but that extra time gave you no edge against anyone else.

Also btw spoon is female, and you yourself are childish for not being able to take a critique, and your attempt to look above and beyond is just a quick way to pull your ass out of the fire, intergrity can you even say that after how you got pissed... and jealous of you? hah...funny.

You need to read these post more carefully. A person's opinion on whether or not a face I drew is not what they would have chosen is not a critique. And if you read the posts carefully you would have read that I was not dicking on anyone, rather I have told them that it's the face I chose to use and if they felt that Ermac should have a different look, then they can draw him however they like. Maybe your english is poor if you couldn't comprehend this. So for Rammspoon and yourself to start talking shit only proves your ignorance and jealousy. This is my last post for this board, continue to talk shit if it makes you feel big. I'm bored with it. You all need to grow up and pay attention to what people are saying. I hope you kids learn to grow up.

born2beexpendable Wrote: Also btw spoon is female, and you yourself are childish for not being able to take a critique, and your attempt to look above and beyond is just a quick way to pull your ass out of the fire, intergrity can you even say that after how you got pissed... and jealous of you? hah...funny.

Sour grapes bia and I was referring to when you raised shit such as talking crap about rammspoons art you dil. Leave thats great but know I'm not jealous of your weak abilities, go back to art school.

Wakinyan Wrote: Well Ramspoon, I seen your work and you have no room to talk shit yourself son. So take your own advice and pull your own head out of your ass. Not a damn thing wrong with the face I chose to give Ermac. Problem is that people like yourself have no talent so you bring your jealousy up on me. Before you give advice about my work should be better, why don't you follow your own advice and buy books and so on kid. I went to school for fine arts. So you can blow me. The problem with you is you have no vision, and you have no aspect of human anatomy yourself after seeing your own work. Don't dick on me till you get yourself straight.

It's a shame this thread has gone "the way of the flames" as it has...

This will be a long post, but for those that have Art as part of their life it's worth a read through I think.

Anatomy is almost a moot point depending on the genre and style of work each Artist does. Picasso anyone?

For a modern take on it, look at Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man work and just about any of Rob Liefeld's work and tell me they don't have messed up anatomy going on! lol

The Spider-Man anatomy is *deliberately* exaggerated and mis-proportioned, and look what it did for the popularity of the character. It set it off and in the process made McFarlane a rich man due to his style.

SPOOn's work is deliberatly Anime inspired and that can be easily seen.
I'm assuming you are knocking her elongated "Snout" style.
Well, go look at other Anime Art and tell me they aren't mis-propotioned in some way, and deliberately so.
Legs are almost always extra long, noses done differently, Eyes are huge and expressive, etc.

Her style is her own, just as yours is your own.

And for the record:

Wakinyan Wrote:
I'm not upset at his comment, but I feel that the illustration is mine and my vision. Just because one doesn't agree with how I illustrated his facial features, doesn't mean it's critiquing. He wants the face drawn a different way, he can do it.

RammSPOOn Wrote:
Wow, that sounds exactly like what I go through.

She was supporting what you said.

And I'm sure she will freely admit her style of Art isn't something what everyone will like and that she gets comments on it a lot.

To say she has no vision or talent because you are Mad at her comments isn't right and it makes you look like a "holier than thou" d*ck.

If you graduated Fine Arts School then you would know what you said would go against what you were taught in the non-application part of your learning, as they would have taught you to look at others Art with an open mind.
If they didn't teach you that, then it speaks little for the school..

And how do you know she hasn't had formal Art training? You are just assuming it.

And you are right, there isn't anything wrong with the face you chose to give Ermac, it's your own vision of what he might look like and you went with it just as I would for my own Interpretation of him.

The thing is, everyone has an opinion and is allowed to voice it.

If they don't like something about a picture they will be bound to comment, though they should give a reason why or they won't be taken too seriously.

Nobody said it was a critique on how well you do or do not draw, it was just an opinion the original poster made. Nothing more.

Now if they had said nothing but "This picture sucks!" and didn't give any reasons behind the comment, well...I'd be a bit irked too but this wasn't the case.

I'm not flaming you, just trying to have things seen from a different point of view.

Jonin I agree with you. Things were blown out of proportion. Like when people took what I said out of proportion to instigate this whole arguement. But if you look back at my comments about Rammspoon's ability, it was retaliation to the remark that she had made about my skill. No not all work is perfect, even the Mona Lisa had some flaws, but it was a masterpiece. People do have slight flaws, that's what it is to be human. However, just because someone voices their opion and I don't nessisarily agree with what they said, doesn't mean I have a holier than thou attitude. When some say that in their opinion that they would not have chosen how I would have done something, then just do it how you would. You see a image and if you believe you can improve on it by giving an illustration your own vision, then do so. Like I said, if people would read carefully, they would have seen that I was not dicking on blacksaibot for his opinion, but rather mentioned he can give his own perception of how he feels Ermac should look. After that comment, Rammspoon mentioned that she gets people who say the same thing yes, but after that she decided to have some choice words. That's what turned things around. So it is a matter of paying attention to what is being said and the context of what is being said. But for those who decided to jump in a conversation that they themself weren't a part of, that is pure ignorance. They know who they are. It's all about growing up. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Think about what you say before you say it. And in that aspect, those need to pay attention to what is being said before they decide to feast on their feet. Take something into consideration, for those who cannot fight their own battles and has people to back them up, then shouldn't start shit in the first place. But I'm man enough to end it here and now. It's just sad how people just cannot enjoy another person's artwork. Damn shame, but like I said before, it's all in all a form of jealousy.

Oh yeah Jonin, you mentioned Rammspoon didn't say anything that came along the line as my work sucks right? This is what was actually said by her that started this whole thing, like I said before, y'all need to read carefully. "And for the record, just because someone can't illustrate their ideas onto paper doesn't mean their critiques are shit. Pull your head out of your ass and look around. There are things called anatomy books, physics books, fabric, photographs... People don't need to have the unique ability to draw well in order to see that YOU screwed up somewhere because you didn't look at any one of these listed.
You're not some know-it-all genious just because you have mad-skills with pencil and paper. So don't cop an attitude like you are." So as you see, I didn't start the shit talking. So y'all need to learn to pay attention.

Ok, I still don't see where I'm bad mouthing your skill. Ever hear of a Generic "you"? You're saying that since someone can't draw, they have no right to say anything negative about someone else's drawings.
Quite the contrary: Someone who can't draw has a moreorless unbiased eye for incorrectness, especially if they know things like Insteps or Shadows or Bone Structure etc.
If I'm bad-mouthing anything it's your over-inflated ego and insecurity and inability to take your own fudging advice. So don't call me talentless when you obviously had to buy your skill and get a framed piece of paper to tell others you can illustrate. :b

LOL Man I swear, it's like words fall on deaf ears, or in this case, blind eyes. Let's talk about egos, look at yourown. You say I have to buy my skills, that's unique, because skills can't be bought. Time, practice, and hardwork is what develope skills. That piece of paper is what got me my job I have today. Where I'm making $53,000 a year. That piece of paper is what companies want to see, or does that not compute? Do you not understand that in order to get accepted into a company as an illustrator these days, you need that piece of paper? See, this is why I said you were ignorant. Give it up, you just bury yourself. I may not work for a gaming industry, but I'm still an illustrator by occupation. So if a company thought I was good enough that they will pay me what they do, then I guess I'm not that damn bad. But you think I'm going to go all out on a drawing for these posts? Get real. That drawing was a simple drawing I just put together because I was bored. Get a life kid, seriously now. Grow up! Show some maturity for once on this board. It just amazes me that your posts become more ignorant after each one. It also amazes me how you don't even realize it. Don't talk about me with an ego, seems because you won some half assed contest, you think you're so damn great. I never seen the contest myself, I don't know your competition, so as far as that is concerned, I don't even care. But don't bring yourself to me like you're a great artist and people should bow down to you. Now if you take a good look, read, put your glasses on if you have them so you can see better. And pay close attention to what I had said about the face deal. That guy did NOT critique, and I do NOT have to agree with someone's OPINION. So get a life, grow up, and move on.

If DiVinci, Rembrant, Picasso, Michaelangelo, or Van Gogh told you that the head didn't match the body, would you cop an attitude with them too?

Not one god damn person on this site needs a degree in using a pencil to give critique. Here's a few examples:

"The head doesn't look right." = critique
"The face is upside down." = critique
"The arm muscles seem thinner than the leg muscles." = critique
"Your picture just plain sucks ass." = critique

While I don't have any artisitc abilities, that doesn't not mean that I can't come in and point out anything in that picture that may seem odd, out of place or just plain wrong. And while I don't really see anything wrong with the pic, I do however see something wrong with you being able to handle any critique towards it. Wether you accept the critiques and advice is up to you, but your level in art gives you no place to act like a God in the field.

Not one damn person said the head didn't match the god damn body. Read the fucken posts stupid. They just said they wouldn't choose the same look. See, I swear some of you people are illiterate.

I so happen to have the ability to read, and have read these posts. The question is wether or not you read mine.

I never said that anyone in this thread said that the head didn't match the body. I never assumed that. You assumed that I said that they said that. That little block of text is called an example, a situation that is meant to be similar to the situation at hand. What it was supposed to ask is that if a really great artist from this time or from history were to critique your work the same way we at this forum critiqued yours, would you give them an attitude about it as well?

I didn't critique your work, I critiqued you, and you're starting to prove my review. If you don't understand this by now, then you have no room to call anyone "stupid".

You are stupid... It's quite alright though.. I'll remove my drawings from this.. you punks don't deserve my art or my time. I don't have to post my drawings to listen to you kids talk shit. And you got nothing to critique me about punk, you involved your own damn self into something that didn't involve you. And you are stupid. You talk shit and then turn around and said you didn't say it. You're two-faced, and you know what, it doesn't suprise me with people like yourself. You don't deserve to view my drawings and you don't deserve my time. If cannot just enjoy people's art without talking shit, then you have major issues that you need to deal with. Don't critique me son, gonna bring yourself into a situation that don't involve you makes you lower than me. So sit on that and spin punk.

That's just too bad. I really like the pic, really. As did a lot of other people. It's a shame that we won't get to see more. It's also a shame that you can't handle critisizm like a professional, even when it was you and not your work that was being critisized.

You know what, if you don't want critisizm for your art or for yourself, then maybe you should leave, because as long as you continue to post your art on this forum, everyone has the right to critisize it for any reason, regardless of wether you like it or not, and you certinally can't stop us. So maybe it's for the best. Sorry to see you go.

That pic rocks dude. Good Job. THe Pony tail was a great touch.

Regards,

What the fuck is up with the mullet/mohawk, that shit looks weak as hell. but good otherwise

Purple bunny summed the whole thing up right there. Also because some of us don't like your work doesn't make us jealous, yes you have talent but for the attitude you like to cop up you dont have enough.

"You know what, if you don't want critisizm for your art or for yourself, then maybe you should leave, because as long as you continue to post your art on this forum, everyone has the right to critisize it for any reason, regardless of wether you like it or not, and you certinally can't stop us." - Purple Bunny

You nailed it right on the head, critisism. Note you didn't say ciritiquing. And what I noticed, alot of people on these posts, I'm gonna leave names out, don't know the difference between critiquing, and plain out critisizing. Critiquing is when you find something about a project that you feel could be different or have an extra something and explain what it is without being rude. Now critisizing is to state that something isn't good or you don't like something, or plain out saying something sucks with out giving a reason why. And I noticed way too many people do that on these posts. And then wonder why people get defensive or "copt an attitude" because of a person vulgarity. There is a way of being brutally honest without being honestly brutal. But at the same time, when a person will make comments to the person who created the project, as in this case, just plainly made personal shots and then say that I should not be defensive or have an attitude. Well put yourself in my shoes, if someone just pointed you out directly and bluntly talk shit, you will too be defensive. To say you won't is being unrealistic. Because if you are human, you will be defensive. I will take a critique, but I won't just sit there and allow anyone to critisize me directly. So before you decide to write down something to someone, think about what you say and how you say it. There is a fine line between critiquing and critisizing. If people want to critique my work, than do it objectively and provide why you think something should be done differently. But to say that my work sucks or I in turn have a stick up my ass, you're damn right I will have an attitude afterwards. Common sense people, that's all it is. I don't mind putting my work on here for you to look at. If you like it great, if you don't and decide to voice it, give a reason why. If not then don't say anything at all. That as well is part of professionalism. So don't throw in my face about being professional when in turn you are approaching me in an unprofessional manner. That's all I got to say on this. I'm sure we can keep this going, but this is becomming rediculous and childish. And I'm sure some are going to disagree, but I'm dropping this subject. Anyone else want to comment on my drawing, then that's fine. But I'm not going to respond to anymore disrespect. Take care everyone, and I hope enjoy the rest of this post. Good bye.

I'm glad that for once there can be some communication between us without any vulgarity and insults. I can understand if you feel insulted by a single comment, but it's unneccessary. Look at this thread from the beginning and you'll see the timeline of events that have caused this. You posted art, you got compliments, at the point that blacksaibot said that the face wasn't right, you made the comment that if he didn't like the face, that he should draw it himself. THAT is a comment that has a possibility of effect that would make others feel insulted, because at that point you project yourself to be getting an attitude toward blacksaibot (I've been around for 2 years, I've seen this many times). Now at that point, the people who feel insulted or offended at your comment fight back, and it just goes back and forth. During the arguments, what happens is that you project yourself as being an arrogant artist who believs himself above what other people think about himself or his work. Wether or not this is true is irrelevant, because that's the perception that people tend to get.

(Previous paragraph was written by summoning the spirit of Dr. Phil to channel wisdom.)

Now the pic is a great pic, and I have no doubt that you're a good artist, and I along with everyone would like to see more, it's just that here, like many other communities, you have to be VERY careful how you respond to others, or else all Hell can break loose. And that's not just to you, but to everyone. Again, I've been here 2 years, I've seen a LOT worse go down.

But anyway, stay, have fun, and enjoy the art world we have here.