[Fake]: Backbreaker!
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posted03/21/2008 08:26 PM (UTC)by
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Hello once again. The past week or so I have been tinkering around on an idea that I had. When XTREEMIST posted his sequential/storyboard fake I decided I wanted to try my hand at it. This was before I wanted to assemble the fake picture contest, and originally I wanted to spend a lot of time on this piece..

However, I got lazy and started losing interest in it. Some things weren't going exactly the way I wanted... so I decided to sit down and finish it all between yesterday and today. Hopefully it's decent. Enjoy.





The designs are merely tweaks and heavily edited.. That and I've wanted Jax to forget the metal arms since MK3.. but alas, didn't happen. The Sektor edit is just an enhancement of his MK3 attire. If you have a skilled eye and know the base sprites, you may find that I did more than you may have noticed at first.

Essentially this fake is focused on the sprites... and it shows. My effects are sub par to what I used to be able to pump out, but I'm still working off some rust in that area. Also, the background is a mashup of some of my old unfinished works, so it's nothing too outrageous and epic.

Anyway, enough about me bashing my own work, let me read what you think.

P.S. I hope this generates interest in the Fake Picture Contest.
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illu§ion
03/17/2008 06:14 PM (UTC)
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Jesus Christ man, that's awesome! Everything looks very clean. Great job on the details. There's only a few minor things like the Fatality text looks a bit "weird". Shouldn't Sektor's lower body be facing the other way since that was the direction it seems like it was heading towards the ground? 10/10. And I hope this fake does inspire some people but I hope it doesn't intimidate anyone joining. wink
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03/17/2008 06:19 PM (UTC)
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illu§ion Wrote:
Jesus Christ man, that's awesome! Everything looks very clean. Great job on the details. There's only a few minor things like the Fatality text looks a bit "weird". Shouldn't Sektor's lower body be facing the other way since that was the direction it seems like it was heading towards the ground? 10/10. And I hope this fake does inspire some people but I hope it doesn't intimidate anyone joining. wink


I just wanted to make it look like Sektor was trying to inch away.. to fight another day. As for the lower body, I figure if Jax is bringing his arms down in such a motion it would cause the halves to spin in the air... thus it's landing... but meh.*shrug* -edit- Yeah, I just realized how bad I beefed that... bah. I was in such a hurry to finish this slut that I didn't even think about that. I guess I'm too impatient to start on my contest fake. wink

Thanks for the comments though. smile
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UltimateRyu
03/17/2008 07:04 PM (UTC)
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Alright this is a far cry from your Ermac fake and I mean that in a good way. What I like most about this fake series is the background. It's aesthetically pleasing and lively looking (mostly due to the water). What I Dont like is the fatality concept - it's cliche and boring. Also, you'll notice that in each of the three pics the waves are in the same position, taking away some of its credibility. The Edits to Jax look nice. However Sektor looks like he's just been glossed over by a filter to match his opponent's composure. If you give this piece a better action scenario then I'll bump up the score. As it stands now, 3.5/5
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03/17/2008 07:16 PM (UTC)
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UltimateRyu Wrote:
Alright this is a far cry from your Ermac fake and I mean that in a good way. What I like most about this fake series is the background. It's aesthetically pleasing and lively looking (mostly due to the water). What I Dont like is the fatality concept - it's cliche and boring. Also, you'll notice that in each of the three pics the waves are in the same position, taking away some of its credibility. The Edits to Jax look nice. However Sektor looks like he's just been glossed over by a filter to match his opponent's composure. If you give this piece a better action scenario then I'll bump up the score. As it stands now, 3.5/5


Thanks for your unbiased opinion.

I have few things to reply to though. The water waves thing, yeah, I totally agree... I thought about that about 5 hours after I had merged and closed the bg file. Kind of lame on my part so good point.

The other thing I wanted to address was Sektor. Any extra detail I put on him is entirely paintbrush/pencil, no filters. I even changed the leggings style so people wouldn't just think he was a stock sprite... but oh well.

As for the rest of your comments, I somewhat agree.
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XTREEMIST
03/17/2008 08:11 PM (UTC)
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That is pretty fucking sweet. I love the idea, it's like a mix of MK4 Kai and MKT Cage fatalities but using Jax's own move (but in a different position obviously). The background looks beautiful, but the detail/quality of the water seems to stand out more than the mountains in the back. The floor/ground's quality/detail doesn't match either so it's a bit bothersome.

I don't like the lifebars only because it's the same standard background that I've seen VenoMark (and I don't know why, but you remind me of him) use it before (too many damn times) and it comes with PaintShop Pro. I'm not a fond of the font Fatality is written in, but it looks unique and most people who make their own fatality font do a shit job on it. This one is descent. The FINISH HIM looks really nice, I liked that the most. All the other fonts seem fine but the wins are a bit big in my opinion. I like the idea of making the round win counters buttons rather than your standard MK icon, skull, or whatever.
I think the mugshots take too much out of the picture away, I've always been a fan of the smaller and ones that have a fade. However, the box around the character is consistent unlike some I've seen where they show more of the character's face on one fighter, and on the other its zoomed out more and its... well, inconsistent. I probably explained that terribly so I'll show you a pic in a bit of wtf I am talking about.

I'm glad you made the oil from Sektor actually black instead of purple, and the addition of the electrcity is great. The pose he is in the last frame is a nice edit.

Jax's new costume is very well done. Excellent detail. But for some reason it looks almost like he came from Street Fighter, and I can notice a black outline around him (as if you edited him in a black background, resized him, then basted him into the background).
I don't know if this works to the way you like it, but usually I edit all my fakes in a really high resolution, then I resize it down so the edging doesn't have black borders around it. Or I use a "smudge" or "blur" tool to to make the edges of characters fit in smoothly with the backgrounds.
I wish I had figured that out a long time ago..

2/10 is my final score simply because I hate you to death grin

Seriously though, 8/10
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Not as consistent, sheeva is all "in your face" and Kung Lao is set back a bit. That's what I was talking about.
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prodigy004
03/17/2008 08:26 PM (UTC)
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Damn this is sweet man. Its good to see some decent fakes around here, its been awhile.

Although I do have a few problems with it, nothing major. First, It looks a little too cartoony to me,still looks good though. The fatality font you used is terrible. Looks waaaay too cartoony, the fatality font should be dark and gritty.

UR made a good point about the waves in the water being the same in all three pics. Would've been cool and more appealing if the waves were in different positions through out the fake. Not a big deal though.

Love the background dude, its nice and vibrant. Very appealing to the eye. You're sprite editing is really awesome, just(im fucking sick of saying this) looks too cartoonish for me.


Nice work man.
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Maggo
03/17/2008 08:29 PM (UTC)
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Wow!!!! Looks sort of Samurai Showdown-ish. Not alot of flaws, if any. Then again, I look at pics for like 5 seconds then move on with my life. 10/10
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03/17/2008 08:41 PM (UTC)
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XTREEMIST Wrote:
That is pretty fucking sweet. I love the idea, it's like a mix of MK4 Kai and MKT Cage fatalities but using Jax's own move (but in a different position obviously). The background looks beautiful, but the detail/quality of the water seems to stand out more than the mountains in the back....Etc.


prodigy004 Wrote:
Damn this is sweet man. Its good to see some decent fakes around here, its been awhile.
Although I do have a few problems with it, nothing major. First, It looks a little too cartoony to me,still looks good though. The fatality font you used is terrible. Looks waaaay too cartoony, the fatality font should be dark and gritty....etc.


Thanks both of you, when I became active again I wanted to help pump some life into fakes again while trying to polish off this rust I am dealing with. Ever since I had stopped making fakes in 06 I have this nasty thing where I just sit and over detail things and try to make things vibrant, but it ends up being cartoony. It's detailed.. but too bright.

For the background.. I don't have the touch for bgs anymore.. spent to much time over the years dicking with sprites and I've gotten out of practice. Same with blood and other effects. My background making and effects creating abilities are so encased in rust, I may need a tetanus shot.

Oh, BS...er, Xtreemist, about the outline thing, generally, I try to give my sprites a little more depth and smoothness, but I probably overdid it here, nice find there.
And the fonts... yeah, last minute things, I just slapped those on. I'm lazy.
I'm just hoping my last two fakes have prepared me for the upcoming contest..
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fedegita
03/17/2008 08:44 PM (UTC)
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Got in here too late, everything's already been said -_-'

Pros:
- An unbelievable Jax edit. I didn't even notice he had no metal arms i was just too engrossed at looking at the finer details you gave him (the muscles through his shirt, the jeans, etc.)
- While the sektor edit still looks almost exactly like he does in the game, I can tell you still went over him pretty closely. Most people who've tried working with a cyborg MK sprite know how crap they actually look (around the chest-plate, etc) so you've definitely cleaned him up quite a bit in that department.

Cons:
- For some reason the grass annoys me. You've given it texture, but it still looks too 'flat', like something out of a low-quality 3D video game. I don';t like teh way it just stops right before the dock like someone's come with a weed-wacker and given it the most precise cut ever.
- The whole background looks a little too bright for MK, esp the dock. The wood is such a vibrant orange that it kinda does draw the eye away from everything else. In that way it could make a good Ying-Yang island thing i suppose =P


I'm pretty neutral when it comes to the lifebars/finish him/fatality-text stuff cos i always think that as long as they don't look too silly it doesn't matter how the artist does them. I actually like seeing original lifebars in fakes.

Did you make the water/mountains yourself? cos they fit well with everything else.

The negative sides to this fake are small, and barely deter from the fake as a whole. 4/5
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03/17/2008 08:50 PM (UTC)
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MKRocket Wrote:
And the fonts... yeah, last minute things, I just slapped those on. I'm lazy.
I'm just hoping my last two fakes have prepared me for the upcoming contest..


Last two fakes? I must have missed the first one.
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03/17/2008 09:07 PM (UTC)
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fedegita Wrote:
Did you make the water/mountains yourself? cos they fit well with everything else.
The negative sides to this fake are small, and barely deter from the fake as a whole. 4/5


I didn't make them, but I digitized a picture I found and edited it extensively. The water was the biggest part of the editing. Had to make the waves seem natural and consistent.

Thanks for the critique. Can't wait to see what you bring to the contest. smile

XTREEMEST Wrote:
Last two fakes? I must have missed the first one.


Yeah, it's still on the front page surprisingly. It's not too hot, but yeah.
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Ninja_Mime
03/17/2008 09:39 PM (UTC)
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I could try and write some 4 paragraph reply, but I don't know what the hell I'm talking about when it comes to fakes. So:

rly gud job
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03/17/2008 11:21 PM (UTC)
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awesome fake, the quality is superb, everything kinda has drawed feel when looking at the edges, i like the shading on jax and the texture of his shirt
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Sub-Frost055
03/18/2008 12:07 AM (UTC)
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This is obviously a cool fake. I don't care if the fatality seems a little boring, you captured it perfectly. I liked how you changed clothes on Jax and tearing Sektor in half. Not to mention that the background reminds me of an old video game called Eternal Champions... which of course was a good game back in the day and still is.

Well, there is nothing else to say about this pic other than it's perfect. I give you a 5+ / 5.

Let's see more

CHEERS for CREATIVITY!grin
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Elnino
03/20/2008 12:16 AM (UTC)
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Awesome fake, that's gotta be the best one i've seen in a few months. The backgrounds and sprite editing is awesome! The only thing that's kinda weird is, parts of Jax's body is real, and others are cartoony looking. Still awesome, 5/5.
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03/21/2008 01:59 PM (UTC)
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Background sky: jpgish...not good, too many diff. colors can be seen. Other than that, I like the concept. I wish there was trees to show the wind was blowing not only the waves but that's just me.

Concept: You know it's not original but eh oh well, hard to be that way when we've gone through alot.

Sprite Edits: Of course it's well done but you have converted to cartoon type of fakes. I guess I wore off on you heh. Even though yours are definitely pass what I was capable of doing. I think if you want to go more realistic-like, in other words make it look like it was an actor doing the moves for the game, you would have to be a bit more "blocky". Meaning that you would have to have imperfections and you would have to lose the "cleanliness". That's IF you want to go that style but of course I love your current style.

Oh, the last frame, Sektor is definitely not in the right position. Well his upper half. Unless he was still alive and crawling, then yes it would make sense, otherwise no. And you know in MK games they are never alive afterwards so no, it doesn't make logical sense. He would have either landed on his head/neck with head face facing the sky or somehow rolled to be face down or on the side, somewhat. His arms would have definitely not have been one up and one down, either positioned awkwardly to the sides and just down.
I should have started on the second frame I guess for the position. His arms should be more "down" and vertical than it is. More like the legs. Back to the third frame, the blood for Sektor came out too smoothly as well, put some randomness into it. Well not random but it should be a little bit more "round", and you know that there should be some "splats" of blood around the floor from backbreaking.

The shirt for Jax should have changed in the other two frames, that was just lazy of you. :P. You know the position of the middle of the shirt would be different (more different than you DID do). You got the chest and got lazy with the rest knowingly. Heh, I could blame you and yes I am. :P. Also Jax's arms in the second frame is shorter than the other ones. The other two are fine but if you want to show that his arms are the same length in the second, you would have to make the forearm bigger because it would be facing you. Like someone punching your face, the fist would be larger than the rest.

His belt, the little buckles or w/e they are, the spacing changes and they should not. They can change position but the spacing from the first frame should stay the same. You know I can tell when something is a pixel off (MS paint baby) and the second and third frame on the left side (looking at it, not his left) of the belt, it's a little off, it is as well on the other sides and frames.

Skin tone in the arms on the last frame...how did you not catch that. Yes, I know it would be a little lighter but you changed the color not the brightness. You mixed in his real color with the off color but it doesn't look right and that makes it stand out (and make it a lil cartoony as well).

You're getting better at hands but of course you won't get em perfect. Maybe one day.

I could name other things but I guess this is enough for now. I'm still gonna be hard on you no matter how old we get.
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03/21/2008 04:36 PM (UTC)
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I miss you Zedox. =(
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03/21/2008 08:26 PM (UTC)
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After all that, you just say you miss me? Wel....I miss you too. lol.
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