Need help with Mission Impossible MK fanfic.
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posted11/27/2012 02:33 AM (UTC)by
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Sektorseven
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I am currently drafting an outline and plot map for a new fanfiction which is basically a MK version of some parts of the game Mission Impossible Operation Surma.

I need an idea of who would make good team. Who would best represent these people?

Ethen Hunt: Field Agent
Luther: Computer Expert
Spelven: Field Agent and Computer Expert

This would really be appreciated.

Gadgets included in this work will include: lasers for burning open gate locks, an auto wench to reach high places, and tools for hacking into digital locks. Let's not forget weapons to kill guards too of course.
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Icebaby
11/17/2012 05:20 AM (UTC)
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Would the whole Special Forces squad be reasonable characters for this?
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VenoMark
11/17/2012 06:42 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Would the whole Special Forces squad be reasonable characters for this?


That's what I was thinking; definitely seems like the most obvious choice. If you're looking for a cruel twist, you could always employ the use of the Black Dragon. That would surely be unexpected and, with a little imagination and creativity, could be quite the interesting read. smile
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"If it is alive it can feel pain. If it has eyes it can see it own suffering. If it has blood you can make it bleed. If it has a mouth you can make it scream." Darth i forgot his name.

"Thats the best thing about you humans. You bleed." a tarkatan warrior.

11/17/2012 10:53 PM (UTC)
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Who would consist of the whole special forces squad? Besides Sonya Blade and Jax?
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Zmoke
11/17/2012 11:50 PM (UTC)
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You can include Kenshi, Cyrax and Gemini, too, as Special Forces agents in your plot. Examine Mortal Kombat: Special Forces for more content, pal.
Practically some of the less expectable alliances could also occur since this'll be your own story, not NetherRealm's.
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VenoMark
11/18/2012 12:56 AM (UTC)
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Zmoke Wrote:
You can include Kenshi, Cyrax and Gemini, too, as Special Forces agents in your plot. Examine Mortal Kombat: Special Forces for more content, pal.

Practically some of the less expectable alliances could also occur since this'll be your own story, not NetherRealm's.


Wikipedia has to be one of if not the the least helpful sources when it comes to providing details on characters and alliances in a video game series. Here's a more useful source:

The Mortal Kombat Wikia: The Special Forces

Also, if you want your narrative to be taken at least somewhat seriously, you'd probably want to follow the canonical plotline of the MK universe. More specifically, you'll want to avoid mixing alliances, by which I mean that members of the Lin Kuei, for example, would not and should not be united with the Special Forces. While I realize that this is "your" story, such amendments are seldom recognized as plausible and generally confuse readers who are familiar with the intricate details of the MK universe, inevitably causing avoidable complications that repel the readers to whom you are (apparently) trying to appeal. That is all.
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balkcsiaboot
11/18/2012 12:59 AM (UTC)
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VenoMark Wrote:
... More specifically, you'll want to avoid mixing alliances, by which I mean that members of the Lin Kuei, for example, would not and should not be united with the Special Forces...


Cyrax left the Lin Kuei after MKG and joined the SF in Deadly Alliance.

I'll figure you since I know that you did not, and do not, care for the more "recent" entries in the MK series. wink

On a side note, a SF fanfic sounds great. I wish in the future MKSF was remade into a modern and respectable third person action game with not only hand-to-hand combat, but third person shooter elements as well. NRS could bank off of not only MK fans, but the rest of the gaming community if they did it right.
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VenoMark
11/18/2012 01:05 AM (UTC)
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blacksaibot Wrote:
Cyrax left the Lin Kuei after MKG and joined the SF in Deadly Alliance.

I'll figure you since I know that you did not, and do not, care for the more "recent" entries in the MK series. wink


Actually, what I meant was that members of the Lin Kuei such as Sub-Zero and Frost, both of whom have never been involved in any sort of association with the Special Forces, probably wouldn't and definitely shouldn't join forces with them.
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Zmoke
11/18/2012 03:07 AM (UTC)
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VenoMark Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You can include Kenshi, Cyrax and Gemini, too, as Special Forces agents in your plot. Examine Mortal Kombat: Special Forces for more content, pal.

Practically some of the less expectable alliances could also occur since this'll be your own story, not NetherRealm's.

Wikipedia has to be one of if not the the least helpful sources when it comes to providing details on characters and alliances in a video game series. Here's a more useful source:
The Mortal Kombat Wikia: The Special Forces
Also, if you want your narrative to be taken at least somewhat seriously, you'd probably want to follow the canonical plotline of the MK universe. More specifically, you'll want to avoid mixing alliances, by which I mean that members of the Lin Kuei, for example, would not and should not be united with the Special Forces. While I realize that this is "your" story, such amendments are seldom recognized as plausible and generally confuse readers who are familiar with the intricate details of the MK universe, inevitably causing avoidable complications that repel the readers to whom you are (apparently) trying to appeal. That is all.

Wikipedia is considerably more trustworthy than the MK Wiki in general. That is not their equivalent page of the video game though, it's here.

While – yes – nothing too radical should be made in this interpretation to keep the plot convincing, my point was that Sektorseven should keep an eye open for characters outside the Special Forces as well, considering the series has such a vast and diverse cast. There is Sonya's father we'd like to "find out" more about for example; keep the possibilities upfront.
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VenoMark
11/18/2012 03:49 AM (UTC)
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I wasn't referring him to the friggin' game because that'd only allow him a limited (and out-of-date) amount of information. The actual Special Forces Wikia page is, in fact, just as reliable as any Wikipedia link you could reference, seeing as how they're both edited by random users.

Turning this into a debate, Zmoke, would be senseless. I'm replying only to clarify, for Sektorseven's sake, that the link that you provided concerns an outdated installment in the MK series and the one that I provided gives him a more useful (and continually updated) source of members of the Special Forces both past and present. The Special Forces video game itself doesn't even mention Cyrax or Kenshi.
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"If it is alive it can feel pain. If it has eyes it can see it own suffering. If it has blood you can make it bleed. If it has a mouth you can make it scream." Darth i forgot his name.

"Thats the best thing about you humans. You bleed." a tarkatan warrior.

11/18/2012 03:00 PM (UTC)
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Currently the back story of this fic goes like this.

The Special Forces computer networks were cracked by an unknown hacker and a massive amount of intelligence was stolen. Now the same hacker is deep inside the computers of a Sektor 7 Facility located inside Shao Kahn's massive stronghold.

My MK OC The Crimson Demon will not be helping the squad out in anyway except for debriefing and giving them what they need to complete the mission. After that, they are on their own.

Their mission should they chose to accept it, is to sneak into the facility, avoid being detected by the guards and security systems, and tap into the computers to see what the hacker is doing.

This is a rough summery of what I have so far. As for the bad guys behind the breaches, what organization would sound logical for this scenario?
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VenoMark
11/18/2012 05:50 PM (UTC)
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I think the obvious choice to oppose the Special Forces would be the Black Dragon. To my knowledge, there aren't any other factions that are direct adversaries of the Special Forces [unless, of course, you take into account that the Special Forces, even in the MK universe, is derived from an actual American military service, which would allow you to employ the use of some of the country's true-to-life enemies (i.e., any number of terrorist groups)].

Moreover, the Special Forces wouldn't be the unit involved in a conflict with the Outworld. Sonya and Jax founded the Outer World Investigation Agency to thwart inter-dimensional threats, such as the threat that Outworld posed in the events leading up to and following MK3. Refer to the link that I provided in this post for more information regarding the Outer World Investigation Agency. That is all. smile
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balkcsiaboot
11/18/2012 06:01 PM (UTC)
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I think the Red Dragon should be thrown into the mix... whether they play a substantial role or not.

For example:

Hsu Hao is an intelligence officer within the SF. He is responsible for gathering intel from his "trusted sources / informants" to help take-down the Black Dragon. It brings in a nice twist that the Red Dragon are using the SF as pawns.
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"If it is alive it can feel pain. If it has eyes it can see it own suffering. If it has blood you can make it bleed. If it has a mouth you can make it scream." Darth i forgot his name.

"Thats the best thing about you humans. You bleed." a tarkatan warrior.

11/19/2012 12:12 AM (UTC)
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All right, the Black Dragon it is then. And yes, the rest of Special Forces will have to meet up with the OIA in order to learn how to go through outworld.
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Zmoke
11/23/2012 04:49 AM (UTC)
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VenoMark Wrote:
I wasn't referring him to the friggin' game because that'd only allow him a limited (and out-of-date) amount of information. The actual Special Forces Wikia page is, in fact, just as reliable as any Wikipedia link you could reference, seeing as how they're both edited by random users.
Turning this into a debate, Zmoke, would be senseless. I'm replying only trying to clarify, for Sektorseven's sake, that the link that you provided concerns an outdated installment in the MK series and the one that I provided gives him a more useful (and continually updated) source of members of the Special Forces both past and present. The Special Forces video game itself doesn't even mention Cyrax or Kenshi.

Wow, overreacting a little? The singular Special Forces Wikia page seemed fine – however MK Wikia as a site has had more errors in information than Wikipedia usually, even if MK Wikia is more diverse in Mortal Kombat content. The staff makes the difference apparently.

But I never implied you referred to the game in the first place; think of the game more of an inspiration. Besides it's still valid to a wide extent.
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Wikipedia has to be one of if not the the least helpful sources when it comes to providing details on characters and alliances in a video game series. Here's a more useful source...
As you can see, you only yourself talked down my source. Instead, you could have written it "Here's another very viable source, which I think might be the most diverse one out there." to avoid any kind of debacles in the first place. Everybody knows what Wikipedia is about, not all know MK Wikia. My post wasn't supposed to contain everything Mortal Kombat related: 'twas a mere example. The MK Wiki is also useful at times but it truly has to have the least reliable MK articles out there, truth to be told. By no means it's useless a domain nonetheless having a vast database.
I agree, turning this into a debate would be senseless which I never intended nor wanted either. After you oppose or negate my views, however, it's only natural that I respond to them somehow – you can't expect people not to defend or support their statements after you nitpick them. It's like hitting a beehive and asking why the bees are waking up angry. I'm not a beehive though. I didn't come off insulting, right? Anyhow, this isn't the most favorable subject of debate, and it's no big deal either.
To redirect the mood of this topic back to as positive as Paris Hilton's diseased vagina, I'm going to offer you one big emoticon. Make a decent and most importantly an original story, man. Without further ado, here it is.
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VenoMark
11/23/2012 06:04 PM (UTC)
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Zjoke Wrote:
Wow, overreacting a little? The singular Special Forces Wikia page seemed fine – however MK Wikia as a site has had more errors in information than Wikipedia usually, even if MK Wikia is more diverse in Mortal Kombat content. The staff makes the difference apparently.But I never implied you referred to the game in the first place; think of the game more of an inspiration. Besides it's still valid to a wide extent.


No, I didn't overreact. Since you clearly failed to understand this the first time around, I repeat: I calmly and rationally stated that the link you provided only supplied Sektorseven with a limited and outdated amount of information. If he follows your link exclusively, then his narrative will fail to contain information that is current with today's MK plot.

The MK Wikia, in fact, does provide more information than Wikipedia and, yes, it is reliable. The contents of each page is moderated just as often as each available page on Wikipedia, thus ensuring that it is all relevant and accurate.

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As you can see, you only yourself talked down my source. Instead, you could have written it "Here's another very viable source, which I think might be the most diverse one out there." to avoid any kind of debacles in the first place. Everybody knows what Wikipedia is about, not all know MK Wikia. My post wasn't supposed to contain everything Mortal Kombat related: 'twas a mere example. The MK Wiki is also useful at times but it truly has to have the least reliable MK articles out there, truth to be told. By no means it's useless a domain nonetheless having a vast database.
I agree, turning this into a debate would be senseless which I never intended nor wanted either. After you oppose or negate my views, however, it's only natural that I respond to them somehow – you can't expect people not to defend or support their statements after you nitpick them. It's like hitting a beehive and asking why the bees are waking up angry. I'm not a beehive though. I didn't come off insulting, right? Anyhow, this isn't the most favorable subject of debate, and it's no big deal either.


Don't try to amend my statements. If I wanted them to appear as though they were spoken by a mentally-challenged preteen who happened upon their first thesaurus, I'd have had you revise my entire response prior to actually posting it. I don't need the help of a pretender who could only aspire to be an intelligent and valuable citizen in this retard-littered world.

Yet again, you've proven that your sole intent is to draw attention to yourself. There was literally no reason to respond to anything that I said, if only for the sake of being argumentative. As per your usual habit, you've successfully turned this into yet another meaningless, time-wasting debate. I know it makes you feel important, so I predict that you'll be rambling on in yet another stupidity-driven tirade littered with inane rants. Hit me back, you persistently-exasperating nuisance.
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Zmoke
11/26/2012 07:23 PM (UTC)
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VenoMark Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Wow, overreacting a little? The singular Special Forces Wikia page seemed fine – however MK Wikia as a site has had more errors in information than Wikipedia usually, even if MK Wikia is more diverse in Mortal Kombat content. The staff makes the difference apparently.But I never implied you referred to the game in the first place; think of the game more of an inspiration. Besides it's still valid to a wide extent.

No, I didn't overreact. Since you clearly failed to understand this the first time around, I repeat: I calmly and rationally stated that the link you provided only supplied Sektorseven with a limited and outdated amount of information. If he follows your link exclusively, then his narrative will fail to contain information that is current with today's MK plot.
The MK Wikia, in fact, does provide more information than Wikipedia and, yes, it is reliable. The contents of each page is moderated just as often as each available page on Wikipedia, thus ensuring that it is all relevant and accurate.
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As you can see, you only yourself talked down my source. Instead, you could have written it "Here's another very viable source, which I think might be the most diverse one out there." to avoid any kind of debacles in the first place. Everybody knows what Wikipedia is about, not all know MK Wikia. My post wasn't supposed to contain everything Mortal Kombat related: 'twas a mere example. The MK Wiki is also useful at times but it truly has to have the least reliable MK articles out there, truth to be told. By no means it's useless a domain nonetheless having a vast database.
I agree, turning this into a debate would be senseless which I never intended nor wanted either. After you oppose or negate my views, however, it's only natural that I respond to them somehow – you can't expect people not to defend or support their statements after you nitpick them. It's like hitting a beehive and asking why the bees are waking up angry. I'm not a beehive though. I didn't come off insulting, right? Anyhow, this isn't the most favoable subject of debate, and it's no big deal either.

Don't try to amend my statements. If I wanted them to appear as though they were spoken by a mentally-challenged preteen who happened upon their first thesaurus, I'd have had you revise my entire response prior to actually posting it. I don't need the help of a pretender who could only aspire to be an intelligent and valuable citizen in this retard-littered world.
Yet again, you've proven that your sole intent is to draw attention to yourself. There was literally no reason to respond to anything that I said, if only for the sake of being argumentative. As per your usual habit, you've successfully turned this into yet another meaningless, time-wasting debate. I know it makes you feel important, so I predict that you'll be rambling on in yet another stupidity-driven tirade littered with inane rants. Hit me back, you persistently-exasperating nuisance.

Gosh, no. First of all things, learn to communicate like a grown-up and don't alter my username. As in your previous post. I could do that just as well yet I'm not into flaming unlike you apparently. You fail to assimilate the simplest of rules again and again. Half of the substance in this post of yours is a bunch of meaningless insults and mere assumptions made into accusations. See, I didn't start this. I did not start this meaningless debate. It was you; in a strong belief that MK Wikia is so good, right?

I did not initiate this nor did I attempt to gain any extra attention; simply put I posted my advice for the reasons just anybody would. You are trying to turn everything clearly positive somehow into negative, and I am not trying to feel any bit more important here – an advice is an advice, that's it – I know exactly what a forum is about. Insulting is apparently daily life to you when you didn't even notice any escalation between your two previous posts. By overreacting I suggested that it was needless of you to write an expletive i.e. friggin' amid your statement, and clearly that was only the tip of an iceberg as we now can see. You overreacted after all (all for MK Wikia). Curse words do not belong to a rational and calm way of communicating.

With your overly defensive, insulting and immature attitude: you evidently didn't come here for truth but to force-feed us with the opinionated thinking regarding what is good. You told that Turning this into a debate would be senseless. You turned this into a debate ergo by your words, you are senseless. Certainly I am a part of this but I didn't make the turn.

"Intelligent" and "valuable" don't exactly go hand in hand in terms of good citizenship. Calling me a "pretender" is baseless and dates backs to older subjects that have nothing to do with this. There was literally one reason to respond to your message: your over-praise over Mortal Kombat Wikia. For the record – Wikipedia staff gets paid by donations, MK Wikia staff doesn't. Let us look at the very only part of your verbiage that makes an argument:
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The MK Wikia, in fact, does provide more information than Wikipedia and, yes, it is reliable. The contents of each page is moderated just as often as each available page on Wikipedia, thus ensuring that it is all relevant and accurate.
Well in fact MK Wikia doesn't come even close to Wikipedia in the amount of information. Yes, you meant MK content, but again you assume that I am kind enough to assume the right things from your posts when the message itself is misleading. Nine out of ten times I do but not for you.

You state that MK Wikia is reliable, relevant and accurate. Let's look at the page for my favorite character, Smoke, since he's quite popular nowadays.

1. For starters, Smoke's current status is a puppet. 2. Nowhere it has been confirmed that his origins are from the Czech Republic. 3. He was also unwillingly evil in MK:A. 4. The article doesn't mention that the actual arena of fight against Smoke in MKII is Goro's Lair, leaving many of the readers at that point think it was Living Forest. 5. There are four cyborg ninjas if you don't count Unit 5, Cyber Reptile, Cyber Skarlet nor Cyber Kahn. 6. Smoke doesn't exactly emit any smoke in his MK:D and MK:A cyborg costume. 7. In Mortal Kombat (2011) his escapist abilities were insignificant. 8. Smoke's Armageddon Fatality doesn't make a glitch of any kind and it can be done outside Outworld and Earthrealm too i.e. Netherrealm. 9. The Movie Appearance part suggests that MK9 borrowed Smoke Away/Towards from the movie when that has been a basic move in the other media as well. 10. About the TV appearance: "Many fans consider it to be the best episode in the short-lived series." That is not really relevant let alone proven in any manner. 11. Stage Relationships doesn't mention Netherrealm which is rather relevant in both time lines. 12. His MK:D costume isn't fully composed of smoke and it is even less human than his MK3 appearance, even if the garments resemble those of his human past. 13. "He appeared in the Disney movie, Wreck-It Ralph" He did not. 14. The article implies that MK:D is the first game for Smoke with his own move set when it is MK3. 15. "When Sektor is knocked out, he gets back up the same way as Smoke. Although Smoke does not do that for this game but only does that in Deception." Not to the point. 16. "He uses the Judo fighting style, the same fighting that Jax had in Deadly Alliance and Kenshi had in Deception." Also he wields no weapons in MK:A and Smoke's X-Ray may be reminiscent of this era. 17. "This game marks Smoke's first appearance in his human form for nearly two decades." Not true, he was already human in MK:SM in 2005. 18. "When Smoke does his Smoked Out Fatality, he hits the brain instead of the eyes." Smoke does not penetrate the victim's skull. 19. "When Smoke performs his Smoked Out Fatality on Kratos, his Blades of Exile fade away with him. -- Also, when Smoke performs his Tremor Fatality on Kratos, his mouth will stay closed, but smoke will still come out of his mouth." Again not to the point; Kratos has his mouth shut in every single Fatality he is a victim in and the weaponry of e.g. Stryker and Scorpion will fade away in the same manner hence mentioning Kratos was in vain. 20. "Smoke, along with Sub-Zero, are the only characters whose X-Ray Move can be delayed." That's a faux pas, last and least – but again proving against your shallow arguments. Popular pages get a lot of traffic, implying that this should be more accurate than the less popular ones. Ergo the less known pages can have even more errors.

You state that MK Wikia is reliable → it isn't reliable, therefore you are not reliable. But this isn't the first time you got your facts wrong. Bear in mind that Smoke can be considered a popular character nowadays, popular articles gain more attention hence should have less misleading content in a Wikia. Sektorseven has no obligation to follow the latest happenings in Mortal Kombat especially considering how much the alterations in the "reboot" suck compared to the original plot. As per usual, everything has to be explained very deliberately to you before you could possibly leave your high horse and take a look at the truth. Since a typical post of yours doesn't have a lot of real substance, baseless insults aside, I would recommend to direct your further inquiries to PM as before. Oh, and leave the use of "Zjoke" aside in future, seeing you have no basis whatsoever to use such a name unless you refer to my good sense of humor. You lost last time, you lost again. Enough with that arrogant bullshit, VenoMark. Game over.
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redman
11/26/2012 07:53 PM (UTC)
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*Sigh*
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VenoMark
11/26/2012 09:45 PM (UTC)
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redman Wrote:
*Sigh*


Don't worry, redman. I'm not even going to waste another minute trying to decipher his retard-like rants any longer. It's been suggested (and even proven) that his sole desire, aside from a clear habit of chronic belligerence, is to draw attention to himself and transform another user's thread into one mind-numbing dispute after another.

The most truly contemptible aspect in all this is the fact that he ran to the higher-ups in an effort, for all apparent intents and purposes, to see to it that I was punished, and it was instructed that he refrain from bickering with me. In the eyes of fairness, I was also instructed to cease and desist. Only I acted accordingly in regards to that instruction. In an act of blatant and imprudent contradiction, he then decided it appropriate to defy the authority he initially sought.

I also try to keep these things private (and in this instance have attempted to do so on at least one occasion), but his attention-whoring addiction is so unrelenting that he feels it an absolute necessity to prolong these ridiculous and infantile arguments.

For the sake of Sektorseven's thread, my brain cells, and users who frequent this forum, I'm not going to put myself or anyone else through anymore of his blatantly self-centered and inanely muddled masses of dim-witted nonsense. In an act of maturity (a trait that I am proud to possess), I apologize to everyone who had to endure the drivel that Zjoke (and I) inconsiderately drilled into this thread. That is all.
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Zmoke
11/26/2012 10:03 PM (UTC)
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redman Wrote:
*Sigh* (of relief)
VenoMark Wrote:
blatant bull majorly
An insult doesn't make an argument, yet it does tell more about yourself than me. Then again, that's the only thing you could possibly give back. This is the official response to your deep insights. At least you apologized.
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VenoMark
11/26/2012 11:12 PM (UTC)
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Oh, fuck it. Since Zjoke has made it his life's purpose to prolong this, then I'll see through it until the end. Let's publicize what I initially did not intend:

As a (new, I assume) user at MK Wikia, I'd suggest that you keep your trap shut and play the role of editor if errors are sited, as opposed to seeking to prove your own points. To clarify one thing, I never stated that the MKWikia is error-free, hence my contention that it is just as helpful as (if not more helpful than) Wikipedia. Expanding upon that point, Wikipedia is littered with errors and the personal opinions of others in many of its articles. So, once again, I am perfectly at ease with my assertion that the MK Wikia is equally as reliable as (if not more reliable than) Wikipedia, specifically in regards to the amount of information provided.

The misinformation you have provided only serves to prove your own points, but you are clearly not as knowledgeable, even when it comes to your favorite character, as you'd like to (unjustifiably) presume. I will explain this further in the following text.

Smoke is widely accepted as being from the Czech Republic, and this is made evident by multiple veteran users (and moderators) who frequent the site chat room. Not only that, but "Vrbada" is a strictly Czech surname. Retract the bit of misinformation you've naively given to contradict that fact, Zjoke. wink

In MKII, the arena in which you fight Smoke differs from console to console, so I suggest that you retract (or amend) that asinine and flawed statement.

Regarding the number of cybernetic ninjas, I can only assume that the editor was referring to the three original cyborgs, given that it isn't exactly proven that Sub-Zero was converted in place of Smoke. At this point, that is a basis of opinion, Zjoke.

Hey, dumbass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQ-ZLLhag8 --Smoke, quite obviously, is in "Wreck-It Ralph". Once again, retract the bit of misleading information that you've provided contradicting that fact.

Zjoke, that is a mere sampling of the errors riddling your retard-like bitch-fit. The majority of the dog shit you smeared over your obvious attempt at attention-whoring is misleading, so I suggest that you get with the fucking program and realize just who it is that you are fucking with. You've butted heads with this giant, and you have been crushed.

Oh, and stop pretending that you have outperformed or could ever outperform me in any aspect of life, chump. This isn't Never-Neverland, where you can make-believe shit and expect it to actually happen.

It's probably moot at this point, but I do apologize if anyone finds this to be intolerable. I, however, will accept whatever penalty is to be handed down. Just make sure that it's fair and both parties involved receive equal punishment. That is all.
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UltimateRyu
11/26/2012 11:18 PM (UTC)
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Just don't bother with Veno. The guy is full of more hot air than the Led Zeppelin had before it went down in a fiery ball of fury.
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Ninja_Mime
11/26/2012 11:59 PM (UTC)
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Any more derailing and you kids get a time out.
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VenoMark
11/27/2012 12:20 AM (UTC)
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Going with my gut here, I'm going to refrain from replying in any manner that does not pertain to the original topic. I have gone against my own better judgment and, needless to say, fallen into the ridiculous trap that was set before me.

Truth be told, I don't give even half a damn about what has been debated, because the entirety of it is purely a matter of opinion. Picking a fight is equally as infantile and senseless as prolonging that fight, the latter of which I have been guilty.

I sincerely apologize to the users who had to suffer through this (with the exclusion of the two parties directly involved--Zjoke and myself, namely), Sektorseven above all.
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Zmoke
11/27/2012 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Below is a response that mainly approaches the needless accusations of VenoMark above, though also pertaining the reliability of MK Wikia, thus if you desire to read content strictly about the original topic; please proceed to the next page as this is the last post of the page one. Zmoke
VenoMark Wrote:
Going with my gut here, I'm going to refrain from replying in any manner that does not pertain to the original topic. I have gone against my own better judgment and, needless to say, fallen into the ridiculous trap that was set before me.
Truth be told, I don't give even half a damn about what has been debated, because the entirety of it is purely a matter of opinion. Picking a fight is equally as infantile and senseless as prolonging that fight, the latter of which I have been guilty.
I sincerely apologize to the users who had to suffer through this (with the exclusion of the two parties directly involved--Zjoke and myself, namely), Sektorseven above all.
Righty right, here we are. Firstly I wish to point out that the time between the posts holds no argumentative value. I only don't rush with my posts like you VenoMark do with yours; albeit I already had the answers in mind by the time I read your foolish message which you just had to post twice.

Take responsibility of your own actions and realize that I haven't made a trap – I even suggested to go PM, yet you had to write your "insulting final words" before that. Also, you yourself picked the fight: the evidence is above. I have never intended to prolong a fight but to end it quickly and painlessly. For a slight moment you had the courage to show your loss in public, not anymore. I likely won't receive an equal punishment because neither my actions will nor have been as bad. Your way of discussing is not mature and doesn't call for anything good. You may speak for yourself in respect of the opinion factor seeing I have objective proofs in the offing.

UltimateRyu Wrote:
Just don't bother with Veno. The guy is full of more hot air than the Led Zeppelin had before it went down in a fiery ball of fury.
True words. VenoMark has needlessly subdued you in your own topics without providing much benefits within. There is no reason to abide that.

VenoMark Wrote:
Oh, fuck it. Since Zjoke has made it his life's purpose to prolong this, then I'll see through it until the end. Let's publicize what I initially did not intend:

It is normal to discuss in public in a forum. I just don't prefer concealing the truth. That doesn't make me an attention whore. Ironically, you yourself groaned for attention by posting the same shallow message twice to me. Although I didn't come here to degrade others unlike you did since your infamous return; that was quite obscure. Once again you crossed the line and nullified the very meaning of the private messages. Shame on you. The weathercock you are, you couldn't stand behind your words anyway.

VenoMark Wrote:
As a (new, I assume) user at MK Wikia, I'd suggest that you keep your trap shut and play the role of editor if errors are sited, as opposed to seeking to prove your own points. To clarify one thing, I never stated that the MKWikia is error-free, hence my contention that it is just as helpful as (if not more helpful than) Wikipedia. Expanding upon that point, Wikipedia is littered with errors and the personal opinions of others in many of its articles. So, once again, I am perfectly at ease with my assertion that the MK Wikia is equally as reliable as (if not more reliable than) Wikipedia, specifically in regards to the amount of information provided.

You are being severely agitated by my actions, I see. Therefore; you are affected by my time here after all. So you are a long-time user of MK Wikia? I would recommend to rely on other sources too – to ensure you've got the correct info – it is a Wiki after all. You strongly stated that MK Wikia would be accurate, relevant and reliable. I proved that it was not. That's the story of our conversation. Never think that I ever defended Wikipedia in the same fashion you defended Mortal Kombat Wikia. I am well aware that Wikipedia is exposed to errors. The thing is – I am not the person here who called a Wiki accurate. No, supporting MK Wikia is not in my agenda.

VenoMark Wrote:
The misinformation you have provided only serves to prove your own points, but you are clearly not as knowledgeable, even when it comes to your favorite character, as you'd like to (unjustifiably) presume. I will explain this further in the following text.
Smoke is widely accepted as being from the Czech Republic, and this is made evident by multiple veteran users (and moderators) who frequent the site chat room. Not only that, but "Vrbada" is a strictly Czech surname. Retract the bit of misinformation you've naively given to contradict that fact, Zjoke. wink
Seemingly your knowledge about geography outside the federal union is only marginal. First of all, Vrbada is not a Czech surname to begin with but merely an alteration of such, Vrbata. This only proves that your "veteran users" and "moderators" are in fact not very knowledgeable, neither are you. I'm not particularly surprised that you can't notice the flaws yourself because you are at the MK Wikia level anyway. Furthermore, the Czech Republic was founded in 1993 which is after Mortal Kombat II happened.

Before that it was called Czechoslovakia. In case Smoke is as old as he looks like, he originates from Czechoslovakia instead. However, as I have a better knowledge about the history of Europe than you and your vets do (I've read a book about this before BTW) – the druids existed in Europe only during the Iron Age; and Smoke was under a cultic practice by who appeared to be druids, in Prague, in his ending. We're getting to the point: Prague was the capital city of Kingdom of Bohemia for the Czechs' earliest centuries i.e. when the existence of druids was de facto still a possibility.

As the actual country of origin is never actually mentioned in any game or by the developers, the chance that it is the preceding country, Bohemia, is very high. All in all, there is no basis to claim that his country of origin would be the Czech Republic aside ignorance. It's like calling Josef Stalin the generalissimo of Russia, or that Sarah Palin was a Russian governor with the basis that Alaska at one irrelevant point of time belonged to Russia. Or that the German king, Henry the Fowler, was the ruler of the Federal Republic of Germany, the member state of the European Union. That'd be utter NONSENSE, VenoMark. Smoke's real nationality can be considered Chinese anyway, unless "Hell" counts, and his "race" I suppose remains "Czech" or more specifically "Bohemian" yet on the inside he is an Enenra. In the light of current evidence – Tomas Vrbada, more familiarly Smoke, is NOT from the Czech Republic, period.
VenoMark Wrote:
In MKII, the arena in which you fight Smoke differs from console to console, so I suggest that you retract (or amend) that asinine and flawed statement.

All the most prominent ports, including the most recent and relevant MK: Arcade Kollection, have Goro's Lair as the fight arena for Smoke in MKII. The fact that a Game Boy version may lack Goro's Lair doesn't justify a flagrant disregarding of the arena in which Smoke debuted as a fighter.

VenoMark Wrote:
Regarding the number of cybernetic ninjas, I can only assume that the editor was referring to the three original cyborgs, given that it isn't exactly proven that Sub-Zero was converted in place of Smoke. At this point, that is a basis of opinion, Zjoke.

No. There truly are four cyborg ninjas in the MK cosmos, all of whom have got a unique code, and this is absolutely not a matter of opinion; but a fact.

Sektor LK-9T9
Cyrax LK-4D4
Smoke LK-7T2
Sub-Zero LK-52O
VenoMark Wrote:
Hey, dumbass: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbQ-ZLLhag8 --Smoke, quite obviously, is in "Wreck-It Ralph". Once again, retract the bit of misleading information that you've provided contradicting that fact.

He most certainly is NOT Smoke but merely a Smoke look-alike if that. The movie is made by Disney who is the rival corporation of Warner Brothers, who on their behalf wouldn't permit the usage of their brands all that easily. Your statement is as dull as saying that Deadpool would in fact exist in the DC Universe just because Deathstroke looks almost alike. As a certain shapeshifter has put it: "Appearances can be deceiving."
Regards,
"dumbass"

VenoMark Wrote:
Zjoke, that is a mere sampling of the errors riddling your retard-like bitch-fit. The majority of the dog shit you smeared over your obvious attempt at attention-whoring is misleading, so I suggest that you get with the fucking program and realize just who it is that you are fucking with. You've butted heads with this giant, and you have been crushed.
No kidding: you take your time here way too seriously. The most hilarious thing is that you are the one who's been truthed despite your arrogant attitude. "I'll crush you." You do realize this is the umpteenth time you vow that in our little conversations? Intimidation (or an attempt thereof) holds no argumentative value, and threatening is against the law, buddy.

It's easy to threaten online: yet ridiculous. Talk about Never Never Land. At least you gave a good example of what your spam messages are about. Not only are you poor at reasoning; you are lowly at the presentation. "Don't butt heads with a giant."You are not a giant in any way, shape or form. Furthermore, head-butting is a good proof of your level of intelligence – I personally prefer punching when it comes to fighting. However, let's just say you are a giant, named Goliath. May I be David. Ponder what happens to Goliath i.e. you at length, when you'll go to sleep.
Also, you could stop spamming my inbox with constant intimidation posts that hardly make any difference. The only imaginable reason for you to do that is to stop me from reasoning, so that you could "win" with your lie. Clearly you aren't interested as much about the truth as about "winning." You can nerd-rage as much as you want but that won't change the facts of life. I came up with a nickname for you: QuestionMark. You know nothing.

VenoMark Wrote:
Oh, and stop pretending that you have outperformed or could ever outperform me in any aspect of life, chump. This isn't Never-Neverland, where you can make-believe shit and expect it to actually happen.

Actions speak louder than words. This whole topic is a clear indication of who is the real thing and who is a chump. Yet still, I am perfectly open to valid arguments proving my statements otherwise, as long as they stay to the point in lieu of bashing and smashing. Although, I'm confident that I am right. With arguments like "No, dumbass! everybody knows it's this way." you won't prove anything, let alone avail any conversation, let alone make me feel like explaining viable theories or proven facts to you.

VenoMark Wrote:
It's probably moot at this point, but I do apologize if anyone finds this to be intolerable. I, however, will accept whatever penalty is to be handed down. Just make sure that it's fair and both parties involved receive equal punishment. That is all.
Why, thank you. Again, I am not responsible of your actions anyhow, silly. You have yet to convince me of your capability for prolific discussion. You rarely are open for new views unless they happen to be your views, hence it feels pointless to discuss with you – where are your manners anyway? One thing you are good at though is annoying people to make more art. Congratulations for that. Respect others, and I will respect you. Attempt to intimidate me: face the gritty reality. Is that virtually all? Alas, that's all.
In future, I would suggest to punish clear flaming, such as VenoMark's earlier posts in this page, to avoid troublesome happenings outright. With all said and done, I will also completely refrain from derailing this topic from anything that doesn't slightly connect to the original topic from here on. If you, dear reader, are interested in Smoke's true nation of origin or suspicious about it, feel free to hit me a PM. Mortal Kombat Wikia is by no means useless; yet neither it is always precise. Zmoke
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