Breakdown of Story Mode: chapter one (SPOILERS)
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03/15/2019 08:21 AM EST
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The story and writing is downright embarrassing, I fail to see why NRS even still tries.

Just so embarrassing.

It really does seem like they're trying every way possible to stay within the walls of MK1-3.

This is likely so they'll have a reason to continue bringing back the characters from those games. It pains me, really, 'cause they're not moving forward. They're deliberately remaining stagnant.

But they're not though.... they keep re-writing those old classic characters out of that timeline / era. Look at who's with Shao Kahn when Kronika tries to recruit him. Only Baraka is of the original timeline... the rest of his underlings are new timeline characters. Some are even new to this game (Kollector).

It's like with D'Vorrah, Erron, Kotal: "This character was around during MK1-3" But other characters like Rain: "Never got involved"
It's like they're trying to retcon the classics (at least the Outworld ones) out of the original timeline and replace them with newer ones.

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03/15/2019 12:41 PM EST
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The story and writing is downright embarrassing, I fail to see why NRS even still tries.

Just so embarrassing.

It really does seem like they're trying every way possible to stay within the walls of MK1-3.

This is likely so they'll have a reason to continue bringing back the characters from those games. It pains me, really, 'cause they're not moving forward. They're deliberately remaining stagnant.

Basically. Some people will come yelling and saying "BUT LOOK AT D'VORAH! SHE WASN'T IN THOSE GAMES! SEE? PROGRESS! LOOK AT KOTAL KAHN! SEE!"

No. It's all still redundant regardless of the new dressing they put over it. That's all it is. As I've said in a similar thread a few weeks ago- every thing leads back to MK1 or Armageddon.

Perhaps MK11 will break that cycle and things will be left open for MK12 to truly travel down entirely new terrain, you know something that doesn't involve time-traveling and is completely independent of the past.

Something tells me NetherRealm is determined to use this as a crutch because lord knows, if the writing of any of their games since Armageddon tells us anything- it's that they probably wouldn't be able to even write anything fresh and different without embarrassing themselves even more.

So Nostalgia Trip 3000 it is.

How low we have sunk.

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03/15/2019 12:43 PM EST
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The story and writing is downright embarrassing, I fail to see why NRS even still tries.

Just so embarrassing.

It really does seem like they're trying every way possible to stay within the walls of MK1-3.

This is likely so they'll have a reason to continue bringing back the characters from those games. It pains me, really, 'cause they're not moving forward. They're deliberately remaining stagnant.

But they're not though.... they keep re-writing those old classic characters out of that timeline / era. Look at who's with Shao Kahn when Kronika tries to recruit him. Only Baraka is of the original timeline... the rest of his underlings are new timeline characters. Some are even new to this game (Kollector).

Absolutely groundbreaking...

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03/15/2019 12:50 PM EST
Riyakou
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The story and writing is downright embarrassing, I fail to see why NRS even still tries.

Just so embarrassing.

It really does seem like they're trying every way possible to stay within the walls of MK1-3.

This is likely so they'll have a reason to continue bringing back the characters from those games. It pains me, really, 'cause they're not moving forward. They're deliberately remaining stagnant.

It's not even like they need a reason. Death has no permanency in the MK universe. How many characters have escaped or just walked out of the Netherealm or the Heavens?

But I'm pretty sure not even NRS remembers how things work in the MK universe anymore. Seems John and whoever else is writing now has forgotten most lore.

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03/15/2019 12:56 PM EST
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The story and writing is downright embarrassing, I fail to see why NRS even still tries.

Just so embarrassing.

It really does seem like they're trying every way possible to stay within the walls of MK1-3.

This is likely so they'll have a reason to continue bringing back the characters from those games. It pains me, really, 'cause they're not moving forward. They're deliberately remaining stagnant.

Seems John and whoever else is writing now has forgotten most lore.

A batch of teenaged Tumblr fanatics if I had to guess.

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03/16/2019 06:40 AM EST

Enough with the MK 1-3 Trilogy milking.

Time for those other stories in MK4, DA, D and Armageddon to be adapted.

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03/16/2019 07:18 AM EST
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Enough with the MK 1-3 Trilogy milking.

Time for those other stories in MK4, DA, D and Armageddon to be adapted.

How about something ENTIRELY new with no roots in anything that has come before. Imagine that.

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03/16/2019 09:03 AM EST
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Enough with the MK 1-3 Trilogy milking.

Time for those other stories in MK4, DA, D and Armageddon to be adapted.

How about something ENTIRELY new with no roots in anything that has come before. Imagine that.

Would be a nice change... but I doubt they'll ever go that far. I do want something different though. How about shifting focus AWAY from Earthrealm for once. Earthrealm characters are the most bland, and for me, they are the ones I'm sick of seeing all the time.

Edenia was freed from Outworld in the original timeline, but not the new... so how about Sindel, Kitana, and the other Edenian characters attacking Outworld in order to free Edenia? Throw some Order/Chaos-realmers in the mix too. One or two Earthrealms could get involved (like Liu Kang and Erron Black), but I'd keep them to a minimum.

Or a focus on a complete new realm.

Every game so far has focused on someone trying to invade Earthrealm. But I don't think they've ever explained what is so special about it.

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03/16/2019 09:19 AM EST

Since The One Being is pretty much behind all the main villains in this franchise, maybe Earthrealm holds the key to it's restoration/resurrection somehow and that's why no one will leave Earth the hell alone. Who knows

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03/16/2019 09:39 AM EST
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Since The One Being is pretty much behind all the main villains in this franchise, maybe Earthrealm holds the key to it's restoration/resurrection somehow and that's why no one will leave Earth the hell alone. Who knows

I've seen that speculated before years back. I'm just not a fan of Earth being the center of the universe and be-all-end-all.

Now, if Earthrealm was one of many (like a Kamidogu or whatever), and the last one Outworld has yet to conquer, I'd be more willing to accept that. Especially if, after Shao Kahn was defeated, those other realms become splintered again (like how Edenia was in the original timeline).

That right there would open us up to lot of new realms and potential storylines/characters.

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03/16/2019 09:47 AM EST
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Since The One Being is pretty much behind all the main villains in this franchise, maybe Earthrealm holds the key to it's restoration/resurrection somehow and that's why no one will leave Earth the hell alone. Who knows

I've seen that speculated before years back. I'm just not a fan of Earth being the center of the universe and be-all-end-all.

Now, if Earthrealm was one of many (like a Kamidogu or whatever), and the last one Outworld has yet to conquer, I'd be more willing to accept that. Especially if, after Shao Kahn was defeated, those other realms become splintered again (like how Edenia was in the original timeline).

That right there would open us up to lot of new realms and potential storylines/characters.

I like that idea a lot.

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03/16/2019 10:06 AM EST
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Enough with the MK 1-3 Trilogy milking.

Time for those other stories in MK4, DA, D and Armageddon to be adapted.

How about something ENTIRELY new with no roots in anything that has come before. Imagine that.

Would be a nice change... but I doubt they'll ever go that far. I do want something different though. How about shifting focus AWAY from Earthrealm for once. Earthrealm characters are the most bland, and for me, they are the ones I'm sick of seeing all the time.

Edenia was freed from Outworld in the original timeline, but not the new... so how about Sindel, Kitana, and the other Edenian characters attacking Outworld in order to free Edenia? Throw some Order/Chaos-realmers in the mix too. One or two Earthrealms could get involved (like Liu Kang and Erron Black), but I'd keep them to a minimum.

Or a focus on a complete new realm.

Every game so far has focused on someone trying to invade Earthrealm. But I don't think they've ever explained what is so special about it.

Holy shit those are some excellent ideas. They are fresh and breaks the redundancy of having to save Earth for the umpteenth time. Hell, I think smaller scale stories about the fate of two different opposing realms would be a welcome change.

I especially like your Outworld/Edenia war idea- that is something that a huge amount of characters like Kitana, Sindel, Jade, Shao Kahn, Skarlet, Baraka, Mileena, Rain, Tanya ect could get involved with- you have yourself the making of a story that could lead the franchise down paths never before traveled.

And if that's not interesting enough for some of you naysayers out there- we have A REALM THAT RUNS ON DREAMS, A REALM OF VAMPIRES, A REALM OF REPTILLIANS, A REALM OF ORDER, A REALM OF CHAOS AND BEYOND- There's no reason why every thing has to revolve around saving Earthrealm.

The amount of unexplored potential in this franchise is mindbogglingly.

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03/16/2019 10:20 AM EST
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I especially like your Outworld/Edenia war idea- that is something that a huge amount of characters like Kitana, Sindel, Jade, Shao Kahn, Skarlet, Baraka, Mileena, Rain, Tanya ect could get involved with-

Daegon, Taven, King Jerrod (Ermac), maybe Drahmin (cause he's from Outworld originally), Reiko..........

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03/16/2019 10:23 AM EST
03/16/2019 10:50 AM EST
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Since The One Being is pretty much behind all the main villains in this franchise, maybe Earthrealm holds the key to it's restoration/resurrection somehow and that's why no one will leave Earth the hell alone. Who knows

I never liked the concept behind the One Being, and I'm kinda glad they abandoned it. I never understood why anyone thought he should be resurrected and become an actual villain. The way his backstory was setup, if the One Being exists, all else ceases to exist. The realms only exist because the One Being is splintered. So why would he be resurrected? If he's alive, nothing else is.

THAT SAID... it's fiction, so I'm sure they could have cooked up some BS to bring him back, while also allowing the realms and the classic characters to continue existing if they really wanted to... but then they'd have been using BS to undo the concept behind The One Being, and no one ever likes when writers use BS to undo established continuity.

Or in other words, I'm kinda glad they left the idea alone, because to not leave the idea alone would have undone the idea that was behind the idea in the first place.

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03/16/2019 10:43 AM EST

Am I missing something with the Jerrod fascination these days?

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03/16/2019 10:58 AM EST
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Since The One Being is pretty much behind all the main villains in this franchise, maybe Earthrealm holds the key to it's restoration/resurrection somehow and that's why no one will leave Earth the hell alone. Who knows

I never liked the concept behind the One Being, and I'm kinda glad they abandoned it. I never understood why anyone thought he should be resurrected and become an actual villain. The way his backstory was setup, if the One Being exists, all else ceases to exist. The realms only exist because the One Being is splintered. So why would he be resurrected? If he's alive, nothing else is.

THAT SAID... it's fiction, so I'm sure they could have cooked up some BS to bring him back, while also allowing the realms and the classic characters to continue existing if they really wanted to... but then they'd have been using BS to undo the concept behind The One Being, and no one ever likes when writers use BS to undo established continuity.

Or in other words, I'm kinda glad they left the idea alone, because to not leave the idea alone would have undone the idea that was behind the idea in the first place.

It doesn't work that way.

The one being uses the ambition of beings like Onaga or Shao Kahn to unify all.

The One Being is like the ultimate evil, the greater mind behind every event. Every mythology or lore has one evil entity such as the One Being. It's necessary to give an explanation of how the universe exists.

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03/16/2019 11:16 AM EST
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The story and writing is downright embarrassing, I fail to see why NRS even still tries.

Just so embarrassing.

They aren't trying. We all know they're just going through the motions.

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03/16/2019 12:17 PM EST
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Every game so far has focused on someone trying to invade Earthrealm. But I don't think they've ever explained what is so special about it.

... Is it, though?

Shao Kahn invaded countless realms before attempting a conquest of Earth. He kept on trying to take Earth only because he kept on failing, not because the place was particularly special.

Shinnok's interest in Earth is primarily driven by his longstanding grudge against Raiden for beating him back the first time. Even so, in MK4 he still invaded Edenia first, and his ultimate goal has consistently been to overthrow the Elder Gods.

The Deadly Alliance's only crimes against Earthrealm (killing Liu Kang, hiring the Red Dragon to sabotage the Special Forces) were done specifically to try and stop Earthrealm from interfering in their conquest of Outworld. Most of the story of that game involves the rebels in Outworld trying to defend themselves, and Team Earth is there to avenge Liu Kang and help save Outworld from the sorcerers (while some are only trying to find a way back home). So if you want a fresh new MK story that doesn't center on Earth, well, there's one from a couple decades ago.

Onaga was never said to have attempted a conquest of Earth during his time as Emperor, and in Deception it was no more important to him than any of the other realms that housed a Kamidogu. The part of the story that wasn't about Onaga merging all the realms was a totally irrelevant side plot about a rebellion in Seido, the Realm of Order, which we were supposed to care about for some reason even though we'd never heard of it before. Most of the Earthrealmers were dead, and the two new ones who cropped up (Kobra and Kira) didn't matter. Most of the returning cast was from Outworld and Edenia. So if you want a fresh new MK story that hardly involves Earthrealm in the slightest, well, there you go.

Armageddon was Armageddon. It barely had a story, but what story it did have was centered on Edenia. Certainly nothing special about Earth, here.

MKX split its time between a focus on Outworld and one on Earth, with Shinnok being a potential threat to both realms. MK11 looks like it'll split the focus in about the same way, so far -- and this time the plot doesn't seem to revolve around anyone taking over this world or any other, which is an enormous step outside the box for a Mortal Kombat game.

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03/16/2019 12:58 PM EST
03/16/2019 01:01 PM EST
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Every game so far has focused on someone trying to invade Earthrealm. But I don't think they've ever explained what is so special about it.

Most of the returning cast was from Outworld and Edenia. So if you want a fresh new MK story that hardly involves Earthrealm in the slightest, well, there you go.

That was fifteen years ago.

That is not what I call "fresh".

Some of you people crack me up.

Person: We need something fresh and unique!

You: Well remember that one time, fifteen years ago....Shouldn't that be enough?!

You people enable so much of NRS laziness it is RIDCULES.

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03/16/2019 01:11 PM EST
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I especially like your Outworld/Edenia war idea- that is something that a huge amount of characters like Kitana, Sindel, Jade, Shao Kahn, Skarlet, Baraka, Mileena, Rain, Tanya ect could get involved with-

Daegon, Taven, King Jerrod (Ermac), maybe Drahmin (cause he's from Outworld originally), Reiko..........

Could build off the conflict seen in MKX with Kotal vs Mileena (depending on how the MK11 story plays out).

I'd say the Edenians team up with Mileena with the agreement she gets to rule Outworld and Edenia is freed. This would give us a chance to explore the relationship between Kitana and Mileena and them coming to accept each other.

It would also give other characters a time to shine, like Rain (no doubt has some ulterior motives and is only helping to further his own goals); Bo'Rai Cho and Li Mei are among the very few good guys from Outworld; Erron Black seems to be one of the more favourable new additions and he calls Outworld his home; Tanya and Baraka would support Mileena as they have a strong relationship with her.

Havik would be a double/triple agent, who's goal is to stir up more chaos. Ermac could also be a wild card. He did turn against Mileena in MKX, but he does have King Jerrod's soul in him. Maybe Sindel and Kitana could convince him.
(In my own, personal head-canon, I like to think Ermac is made up primarily of souls of the Edenians that died when Shao Kahn invaded that realm.)

But yeah, the characters I'd see getting involved would be:
Kotal Kahn
D'Vorah
Skarlet
Erron Black
One of the Shokans (Goro / Kintaro / Sheeva)
Ferra/Tor
Reptile
Ermac
Rain
Sindel
Kitana
Jade
Mileena
Tanya
Baraka
Bo'Rai Cho
Li Mei
Havik

Possible others:
One or two Orderrealmers (either redesigns of old characters, or introduce brand new ones)
Any of those cool looking warriors stood behind Shao Kahn in the story trailer.
Liu Kang
Fujin
Kano
Daegon
Reiko (don't really know anything about him so not sure how he'd fit into it all)
Motaro (doubtfull but wishful thinking ;) )
Shao Kahn (making it a three-way war, although I'd prefer if he stayed dead)
Shang Tsung (would also prefer to stay dead)

That's 28-ish characters there, with no Special Forces in sight. Glorious!
NRS wouldn't dare to make a game without their main three golden boys: Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Raiden. Despite two of them being my all-time faves, I just don't see them getting involved. Raiden would be off playing G. I. Joe, while the Lin Kuei (maybe allied with Shirai-ryu) are at war with the Tekunin.

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03/16/2019 01:20 PM EST

One of the reasons why the story focuses more on earth is that there is no emotional investment, there is no rooting for the good guys, not for the average player.

Why Am I supposed to care for Edenia?

That's why you need to have a certain Earth representation in each game.

Even the games that focused less on Earth realm had half their roster made by earthrealmers, and introduced new ones as well.

Seido and Chaos are irrelevant to the main plot, that's why they were just a gimmick to expand the Konquest mode and never brought back again if not with minor nods and references.

Also, call me crazy, but I see nothing interesting in Chaos and Order realms. Yeah, Havik is a badass, but he worked so well in the comics without having any connection to chaos realm, that his realm is irrelevant to his character.

Hotaru, Dairou, Darrius, etc are the epitome of bad, bad character designs. I hope to never see them again.

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03/16/2019 01:28 PM EST
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Every game so far has focused on someone trying to invade Earthrealm. But I don't think they've ever explained what is so special about it.

Most of the returning cast was from Outworld and Edenia. So if you want a fresh new MK story that hardly involves Earthrealm in the slightest, well, there you go.

That was fifteen years ago.

That is not what I call "fresh".

Some of you people crack me up.

Person: We need something fresh and unique!

You: Well remember that one time, fifteen years ago....Shouldn't that be enough?!

You people enable so much of NRS laziness it is RIDCULES.

You quoted my sarcasm and proceeded to fail to understand it. People are asking for things that already exist, as if they never happened. People are saying they'll never move forward, even when they are clearly taking steps forward.

... Then you totally avoided quoting the part where I argue that Earth and Outworld were equally central to MKX and will probably be again in this game. And that a plot that doesn't involve taking over worlds is actually pretty new. It's never been done. Just because they brought back Trilogy-era characters doesn't mean they're playing out the same plot, and some of you folks seem obstinately determined not to acknowledge the difference.

The whole point of my post was to rebut EndoScorpion's idea that Earth has been treated as something special in every game, and that stories that aren't about taking over Earth have never been done. Pretty sure I accomplished that by providing actual examples from the series' history. Wouldn't be the first time you've selectively quoted me to get around my point, though. I'm glad at least one of us got a laugh out of it, because to me... I hate to sound so mean about it, but you are just goddamn exhausting.

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RE: Breakdown of Story Mode: chapter one (SPOILERS)
03/16/2019 01:41 PM EST

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Yeah, you make a point. Not every game is about directly invading Earthrealm... but even those that weren't sure did heavily feature the same old Earthrealm characters. And Earthrealm was still under threat (if only indirectly).

Deadly Alliances intro is told from the perspective of Raiden and says "Should they succeed, they will have the means to conquer Outworld...and eventually Earthrealm. They will be unstoppable. I can no longer stand idly by and watch this evil consume the world." with 2/3 of the cast from Earthrealm.

Deception is a threat to ALL realms, but still involves 1/2 the roster (including the main character / hero) being from Earthrealm.

Shinnok was similar in trying to rule all the realms, including Earthrealm.... and it's when he got to Earthrealm that Raiden stopped him. Both times. MK4 was about Shinnok invading Earthrealm specifically, they skipped over the Edenian part.

While Earthrealm may not always be directly invaded during a story... the story is always told from Earths points of views / with Earthrealm as a big focus. My idea was to have something completely new. Little-to-no Earthrealm characters. Earthrealm not involved, or under threat (either directly or indirectly).

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03/16/2019 01:45 PM EST
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One of the reasons why the story focuses more on earth is that there is no emotional investment, there is no rooting for the good guys, not for the average player.

I knew somebody would use this as a reason to naysay.

First of all, let's be real here. Let's not act like the casual players give a damn about story period. This is all ABOUT US- story nerds, the hardcore fans.

Jack from down the block who wants to fatality his friends online while playing with Spawn doesn't give a shit about Earthrealm being under attack OR the war between Outworld and Edenia. So if we're going to try to base the story on mainstream players tastes- then we ALL lose.

Story doesn't matter to the greater casual fanbase and it sure as hell doesn't matter to NRS. So let's not make this about the "Casual player".

Casual player just want their fave on the roster and to kick ass online.

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03/16/2019 01:57 PM EST
03/16/2019 02:00 PM EST
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One of the reasons why the story focuses more on earth is that there is no emotional investment, there is no rooting for the good guys, not for the average player.

Why Am I supposed to care for Edenia?

That's why you need to have a certain Earth representation in each game.

Even the games that focused less on Earth realm had half their roster made by earthrealmers, and introduced new ones as well.

Seido and Chaos are irrelevant to the main plot, that's why they were just a gimmick to expand the Konquest mode and never brought back again if not with minor nods and references.

Also, call me crazy, but I see nothing interesting in Chaos and Order realms. Yeah, Havik is a badass, but he worked so well in the comics without having any connection to chaos realm, that his realm is irrelevant to his character.

Hotaru, Dairou, Darrius, etc are the epitome of bad, bad character designs. I hope to never see them again.

In no way can I relate to a United States Special Forces soldier or an Earth that is constantly being invaded my magical monsters and gods from other realms. What people can relate to is protecting ones home - and in my story suggestion: we have characters trying to free their home from tyranny. I think most people in our current political climate can relate to that. More so than: American soldiers must save the entire universe for the 11th time!

Edenians are human enough anyway. In fact, Edenia is supposed to be a paradise. It's something humans generally strive for.

Seido and Chaos were not irrelevant. All the realms were under threat in the game they appeared in. Sure, they weren't designed very well - that's why I said those characters should get a redesign, or new characters created. I'm not even saying those realms would feature... just some characters who may have an interest in freeing Edenia / weakening Outworld.

You points come across as rather short-sighted ("it was bad before so it'll be bad again" - even though the MK team have redesigned character before and made them way more interesting) and in the mind-set of "I personally don't like it so it's an objectively bad idea!"

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