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03/20/2019 09:42 PM (UTC)
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Ed said there is 25 characters at launch.

Which means 3-4 hidden/unlockable... 3 if Shao Kahn is out of the 25, 4 if he's in the 25 count.

Eh...I think it is all the characters including all hidden characters. Seems odd/disingenuous Ed would say how many characters are in the final game without including the hidden characters.

I absolutely think the exact opposite. I don't think they'd reveal hidden characters in their launch roster count for the exact reason that they want to keep them hidden.

Assuming those 3 are hidden, as per the rumors, I absolutely think they'd try to keep a lid on it. This strikes me more as a "Mokap & Blaze" in MKDA situation (IE. Hidden apart from the main roster) than it does a "Shinnok in MKX" situation (IE. Locked, but in no way hidden)

But we shall see

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03/20/2019 09:43 PM (UTC)
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Love Kotal’s new jaguar move. He also seems to have more going on with his sword moves, which I like. That sword sawing throw looked brutal! Loved it.

As for Jaqui, I wasn’t that in to her in MKX, but I think she’s a million times more interesting this time around. Love the Muay Thai style and her strings in it, love the side kicks, and that awesome grapple that gives you multiple options. Always love seeing those types of things in a fighting game.

She’s still techy and what not, but she doesn’t look like she’ll play anything at all like any of the other military characters. She seems a lot more unique and looks rather fun to use.

On the downside (for me), tye totems don’t really wow me all that much, though it’s cool you can stack them. Also not sure how interested in Jaqui’s cancels I’ll be. Also seems odd giving her both the dash punch and the ground pound if Jax is in this game. I suppose they can just take those moves from him, but still not overly original.

Either way, I’m happy with both characters. Both have fun stuff I’d like to use, both have cool fatal blows (Jaqui more so than Kotal) and fatalities, and both have style for days. Can’t wait to see what they show off on Friday at C2E2!

I’m calling it now... Noob reveal and Spawn as the first DLC.

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03/20/2019 10:00 PM (UTC)
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It beats my soul up a little that I'm going to C2E2 on Saturday, and the panel is on Friday. I REALLY wish I could be there for the panel, but I frankly can't afford to take Friday off work (not to mention my already bought ticket is for Saturday)

I just hate knowing I COULD be there... but I WON'T be, lol...

Curse the Elder Gods for not having the panel on Saturday! *Shakes fist defiantly at the sky*

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03/21/2019 12:18 AM (UTC)
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Ed said there is 25 characters at launch.

Which means 3-4 hidden/unlockable... 3 if Shao Kahn is out of the 25, 4 if he's in the 25 count.

Eh...I think it is all the characters including all hidden characters. Seems odd/disingenuous Ed would say how many characters are in the final game without including the hidden characters.

Sounds like Ed to a T. He's a troll.

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03/21/2019 01:13 AM (UTC)
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Ed said there is 25 characters at launch.

Which means 3-4 hidden/unlockable... 3 if Shao Kahn is out of the 25, 4 if he's in the 25 count.

Eh...I think it is all the characters including all hidden characters. Seems odd/disingenuous Ed would say how many characters are in the final game without including the hidden characters.

Sounds like Ed to a T. He's a troll.

Not really. It is obvious when Ed is trolling. He was not trolling in the stream. He was speaking quite seriously about the stress test and how 3 characters got found out pretty quickly, how in the beta there will be more characters and finally launch with 25 characters.

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03/21/2019 01:16 AM (UTC)
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We'll know soon enough

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03/21/2019 01:42 AM (UTC)
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Jacqui looks absolutely amazing. I'll be the first one to admit that I definitely talked a lot of shit about her simply based on a partial render- but man- she looks like a total beast and an excellent character in her own right! Her costumes are fantastic, her moves are fast, her face is gorgeous, and her fatalities are some of the best in the game.

This is exactly what I love about NeatheRealm- Nobody can re-design a character like they can and they continue to knock it out of the park. Jacqui has literally become the one character I'm excited to play as and while I'm still not 100% on getting the game- she alone has inched me ever so close to taking the jump.

Bravo NRS, bravo.

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03/21/2019 02:01 AM (UTC)Edited 03/21/2019 04:23 AM (UTC)
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Ed said there is 25 characters at launch.

Which means 3-4 hidden/unlockable... 3 if Shao Kahn is out of the 25, 4 if he's in the 25 count.

Eh...I think it is all the characters including all hidden characters. Seems odd/disingenuous Ed would say how many characters are in the final game without including the hidden characters.

Sounds like Ed to a T. He's a troll.

Not really. It is obvious when Ed is trolling. He was not trolling in the stream. He was speaking quite seriously about the stress test and how 3 characters got found out pretty quickly, how in the beta there will be more characters and finally launch with 25 characters.

Launching with 25 characters could simply mean the game starts off with 25 characters.

Even if with unlockables, the statement would still be true.

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03/21/2019 09:53 AM (UTC)Edited 03/21/2019 09:55 AM (UTC)
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Ed said there is 25 characters at launch.

Which means 3-4 hidden/unlockable... 3 if Shao Kahn is out of the 25, 4 if he's in the 25 count.

Eh...I think it is all the characters including all hidden characters. Seems odd/disingenuous Ed would say how many characters are in the final game without including the hidden characters.

Funny... I can totally see he doing that. And it's just like they said above, when you open the game, 25 characters on screen, but then you go to the krypt and unlock something... boom, 26.

That'd be dope

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03/21/2019 11:21 AM (UTC)
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Jacqui's doing some cool stuff. Too bad she doesn't look that cool. I like that they actually implemented her kickboxing into her gameplay. I always found it odd to infuriating that they neglected to work that in with her MKX iteration, when it was something that could have helped her stand out a bit more.

I have to admit though, I am a little miffed/concerned that they have given her so much of Jax's repertoire. One it's going to work against her in the long run and refortify the argument of the Kombat Kids just being lesser versions of their parents so why even have them. And I'm wondering just how much is left for Jax?

As for Kotal, dude looks pretty beastly. I have some issues with the sleekness of his armor being a little out of character for something forged from Outworld, but I think the battle is already lost when it comes to remaining faithful to aesthetics and characteristics. See fashion runway Scarlet if you really want to see what I mean.

Gameplay though, the guy looks cool as hell. I dig the morphing ability, it's just such a shame they couldn't have implemented more of that feline element into his overall design. But the dude looks ferocious this time around. I'm digging it. Hopefully he's as fun to play as he was to watch in this trailer. The gameplay of this MK is starting to concern me a great deal.

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03/21/2019 01:25 PM (UTC)
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Well kotal Kahn is going to have an animality this game hopefully lol.

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03/21/2019 01:44 PM (UTC)
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Well kotal Kahn is going to have an animality this game hopefully lol.

If he has the ability to morph into a monsterous jaguar then it makes sense for one of his fatalities to include it and become a sort of Animality.

I just don't like the idea of everyone having an Animality. For the vast majority of characters it just doesn't make sense. Including Scorpion. His name is more symbolic, as opposed to: he was stung by a radioactive scorpion and gained it's powers and can now morph into one!

Raiden transforming into a dragon similar to his Injustice 2 Xray makes sense (and should definitly be one of his Fatalities, rather than just electricuting people until their heads pop off), as I see the dragon being the original form of the gods. It could be argued that Liu Kang only gained the dragon form due to his status as champion of Mortal Kombat, and lost it when he died.

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03/21/2019 01:57 PM (UTC)
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Well kotal Kahn is going to have an animality this game hopefully lol.

I just don't like the idea of everyone having an Animality. For the vast majority of characters it just doesn't make sense. Including Scorpion. His name is more symbolic, as opposed to: he was stung by a radioactive scorpion and gained it's powers and can now morph into one!

Lol I wish someone had told this to NRS when they green lit his off the mark designs in MK9. Dudes a specter not a bug fanatic.

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03/21/2019 02:06 PM (UTC)
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Well kotal Kahn is going to have an animality this game hopefully lol.

I just don't like the idea of everyone having an Animality. For the vast majority of characters it just doesn't make sense. Including Scorpion. His name is more symbolic, as opposed to: he was stung by a radioactive scorpion and gained it's powers and can now morph into one!

Lol I wish someone had told this to NRS when they green lit his off the mark designs in MK9. Dudes a specter not a bug fanatic.

THIS!! SO MUCH THIS!!!

Finally someone else who agrees with me on that.

The Scorpion is a symbol of vengeance. The burning venom of revenge is what fuelled him. Even his original fighting stance with his spear arm raised behind him invoked the scorpion imagery. His spear is the scorpion's stinging tail.

I'm not sure if his MK4 scorpion morph was just a response to fan outcry/confusion over Sheeva's Animality. Maybe they gave it to her because of Shokan's extra limbs already made her look a bit arthrpod-ish in some positions.

I liked his scorpion/ribcage mask. Subtle elements, like a scorpion logo on his shoulder or a small tattoo.

Ka-Tra

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03/21/2019 02:46 PM (UTC)
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The Scorpion is a symbol of vengeance. The burning venom of revenge is what fuelled him. Even his original fighting stance with his spear arm raised behind him invoked the scorpion imagery. His spear is the scorpion's stinging tail.

I'm not sure if his MK4 scorpion morph was just a response to fan outcry/confusion over Sheeva's Animality. Maybe they gave it to her because of Shokan's extra limbs already made her look a bit arthrpod-ish in some positions.

I liked his scorpion/ribcage mask. Subtle elements, like a scorpion logo on his shoulder or a small tattoo.

Ka-Tra

Cute wording, but he's a(was) dead guy who torches people with hell fire. His motif is hellish imagery of death and it should stay that way.

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03/21/2019 02:52 PM (UTC)
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Whew, looks like we got through the roster trash. I like how NRS tricked us into thinking we were getting a Kotal reveal, but the Kombat Kast, and trailer, were for their beloved forced diversity hire, Jeneric Briggs. Yay, a character with moves from Sektor, Cyrax, Hotaru and Kai *twirls finger*. But, she is black, so we have to agree she is awesome and worthy of the roster or else we are racist. Thankfully, the final roster will be over 30 characters, so the redundant special forces roster filler has a negligible impact. As for Kotal, the jaguar move is nice, and he seems better than MKX. The backgrounds continue to impress in MK11. Hoping Friday's reveal will makeup for this Kombat Kast.

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03/21/2019 02:52 PM (UTC)
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I know he cooks in his downtime, but I don't think I'd want anything Hanzo torches with hellfire

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03/21/2019 02:55 PM (UTC)
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I know he cooks in his downtime, but I don't think I'd want anything Hanzo torches with hellfire

Gotta add a unique spice to things eh?

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03/21/2019 02:56 PM (UTC)Edited 03/21/2019 03:03 PM (UTC)
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Whew, looks like we got through the roster trash. I like how NRS tricked us into thinking we were getting a Kotal reveal, but the Kombat Kast, and trailer, were for their beloved forced diversity hire, Jeneric Briggs. Yay, a character with moves from Sektor, Cyrax, Hotaru and Kai *twirls finger*. But, she is black, so we have to agree she is awesome and worthy of the roster or else we are racist. Thankfully, the final roster will be over 30 characters, so the redundant special forces roster filler has a negligible impact. As for Kotal, the jaguar move is nice, and he seems better than MKX. The backgrounds continue to impress in MK11. Hoping Friday's reveal will makeup for this Kombat Kast.

My dude, settle down just a little. It's not like they are pulling a Riri Williams with her just yet. Let's just feel this out first.

You know that infamous quote. "Everything is this, everything is that, and you have to point it all out." You are drifting dangerously close to being like that, but on the other far end of the spectrum. Cool it down a tad man.

EDIT: Oh god damn it! I didn't mean to double post. Ah well. I'll let this one stick.

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The Scorpion is a symbol of vengeance. The burning venom of revenge is what fuelled him. Even his original fighting stance with his spear arm raised behind him invoked the scorpion imagery. His spear is the scorpion's stinging tail.

I'm not sure if his MK4 scorpion morph was just a response to fan outcry/confusion over Sheeva's Animality. Maybe they gave it to her because of Shokan's extra limbs already made her look a bit arthrpod-ish in some positions.

I liked his scorpion/ribcage mask. Subtle elements, like a scorpion logo on his shoulder or a small tattoo.

Ka-Tra

Cute wording, but he's a(was) dead guy who torches people with hell fire. His motif is hellish imagery of death and it should stay that way.

I never said it wasn't. Both go hand in hand. The fire represents his burning rage, he is tainted by the burning venom/poison of revenge/vengeance.

Ka-Tra

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03/21/2019 04:00 PM (UTC)
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But, she is black, so we have to agree she is awesome and worthy of the roster or else we are racist.

Notice how you're the only person here bringing up race?

You're essentially starting the fire you claim you want to escape.

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03/21/2019 06:50 PM (UTC)
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The Scorpion is a symbol of vengeance. The burning venom of revenge is what fuelled him. Even his original fighting stance with his spear arm raised behind him invoked the scorpion imagery. His spear is the scorpion's stinging tail.

I'm not sure if his MK4 scorpion morph was just a response to fan outcry/confusion over Sheeva's Animality. Maybe they gave it to her because of Shokan's extra limbs already made her look a bit arthrpod-ish in some positions.

I liked his scorpion/ribcage mask. Subtle elements, like a scorpion logo on his shoulder or a small tattoo.

Ka-Tra

I've done a fair bit of research into scorpions as symbolism, spirit animals, totems, etc. Scorpions are generally a sign of rebirth, protection, and divine justice. Not revenge.

They only attack when absolutely necessary, either when threatened or for food. There is no malice and they do not attack for revenge. In fact, they prefer to retreat or avoid a fight. I had a pet scorpion once. When anything went near it, it would raise it's pincers and back away. Usually using its pincers to grab something. Never saw it use it's stinger. Anyway...

Based on the symbolism, Scorpion is literally reborn (from a powerless human to one with the power to wield hellfire). You could argue that Bi Han and Quan Chi were evils that deserved to die (divine justice). It also explains his protection over Kuai Liang (in the original timeline at least), and his loyalty to his family and clan (scorpion are some of the best mothers in nature - yes: mothers, scorpions are solitary animals).

So, while the character does show some aspects of the scorpion animal, I see Scorpion more as a Spirit of Vengence (akin to Ghost Rider). Born and fuelled by his blind burning rage (shown as white-out eyes and sometimes inability to see the consequences of his actions, and the use of hellfire).

But hey, if I was to explain Scorpion to someone as briefly as possible I'd say he's an "undead ninja with the power of hellfire". As opposed to someone like Spider-Man who is "a guy with spider-like powers". So covering him in scorpion motif is kinda weird. His best costumes are ones that build on the concept of "undead ninja". Maybe throw in some symbols of vengeful spirits in there.

Fun fact: the girl from the Ring movies is a vengeful spirit (Onryō) who dies in a well. And "Shirai-ryu" translates to "Way/Style of the White Well". I never understood why the devs chose that name, but I highly doubt this was the reason.

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