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04/06/2019 03:26 PM (UTC)
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I know I would have much rather Tanya, Sheeva or Jataaka over Jaqui if we are going to bring race into it.

But at least Jacqueline looks a lot more interesting this time around? More fun to play with than last game.

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04/06/2019 03:28 PM (UTC)
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But at least Jacqueline looks a lot more interesting this time around? More fun to play with than last game.

And that's all that should really matter.

She looks badass and has some epic gameplay. That in and of itself is worthy of a spot imo.

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04/06/2019 04:17 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 04:18 PM (UTC)
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But at least Jacqueline looks a lot more interesting this time around? More fun to play with than last game.

And that's all that should really matter.

She looks badass and has some epic gameplay. That in and of itself is worthy of a spot imo.

This doesn't really make sense. This is actually why some video game developers are still in business - because of mindset like this.

"Lets keep everything the same and just change the lightning and add 2 moves and it will look like a completely different game and completely different character"

A classic move that works in this business. Not saying that this is happening here but this is probably what you fall for. You like Jacqui and you think she is worthy of a spot. I agree, she does look a lot better than in MKX but looking it objectively, there are MANY characters who will be missing out but have much more potential than Jacqui Briggs.

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04/06/2019 05:34 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 05:35 PM (UTC)
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But at least Jacqueline looks a lot more interesting this time around? More fun to play with than last game.

And that's all that should really matter.

She looks badass and has some epic gameplay. That in and of itself is worthy of a spot imo.

This doesn't really make sense. This is actually why some video game developers are still in business - because of mindset like this.

"Lets keep everything the same and just change the lightning and add 2 moves and it will look like a completely different game and completely different character"

A classic move that works in this business. Not saying that this is happening here but this is probably what you fall for. You like Jacqui and you think she is worthy of a spot. I agree, she does look a lot better than in MKX but looking it objectively, there are MANY characters who will be missing out but have much more potential than Jacqui Briggs.

First of all, they did more than just add two moves. They truly revamped her and made her into a powerhouse of a character. I was never a Jacqui fan, so you're talking to the wrong person. I am however, now interested in her because NRS put in the effort to make her a solid character.

There are lots of characters in the franchise with tons of potential, but that has nothing to do with Jacqui. NRS can put in whoever they want- if they choose not too it's their choice.

Nobody is taking a spot from anyone. I love Rain, but obviously he didn't make the cut not because Jacqui took his spot- but because NRS didn't want him in.

It's that simple. There's no conspiracy. The truth hurts.

You said it yourself- this is a BUISINESS. It runs on money, not emotions and potential. Jacqui, despite being shat on by a few hardcore fans, is still a relatively new face in the mainstream who's more relevant than some characters we haven't seen since 2006. Sorry, not sorry.

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04/06/2019 05:53 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 05:57 PM (UTC)
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But at least Jacqueline looks a lot more interesting this time around? More fun to play with than last game.

And that's all that should really matter.

She looks badass and has some epic gameplay. That in and of itself is worthy of a spot imo.

This doesn't really make sense. This is actually why some video game developers are still in business - because of mindset like this.

"Lets keep everything the same and just change the lightning and add 2 moves and it will look like a completely different game and completely different character"

A classic move that works in this business. Not saying that this is happening here but this is probably what you fall for. You like Jacqui and you think she is worthy of a spot. I agree, she does look a lot better than in MKX but looking it objectively, there are MANY characters who will be missing out but have much more potential than Jacqui Briggs.

First of all, they did more than just add two moves. They truly revamped her and made her into a powerhouse of a character. I was never a Jacqui fan, so you're talking to the wrong person. I am however, now interested in her because NRS put in the effort to make her a solid character.

There are lots of characters in the franchise with tons of potential, but that has nothing to do with Jacqui. NRS can put in whoever they want- if they choose not too it's their choice.

Nobody is taking a spot from anyone. I love Rain, but obviously he didn't make the cut not because Jacqui took his spot- but because NRS didn't want him in.

It's that simple. There's no conspiracy. The truth hurts.

You said it yourself- this is a BUISINESS. It runs on money, not emotions and potential. Jacqui, despite being shat on by a few hardcore fans, is still a relatively new face in the mainstream who's more relevant than some characters we haven't seen since 2006. Sorry, not sorry.

I didn't mean it literally when I said they added 2 moves. It was just an example what some devs do and people fall for it and your comment I quoted sounded like you are one of those people.

It does have to do with Jacqui and all the other characters that people, and by people I mean majority, hasn't asked for. And if this is "not taking a spot" from someone else then why is that someone not added as well? Probably because they have limited time and resources, they can't include every single character so that means it is "taking someone else's spot".

"he didn't make the cut not because Jacqui took his spot- but because NRS didn't want him in". Does that answer OP's question then?

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04/06/2019 06:18 PM (UTC)
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I think when it comes to players chosen the most it comes dowm to gameplay. Obviously. Through a lot of mk games there have been characters that were interesting .As characters that ibwanted to play as, but gameplaybwise they were handed a bad hand and there movesets or gameplay design was not so great.

If any of the kombat kids were going to comeback i figured takeda would of definitely made the cut. I feel like Cassie jas been shoved down our throats with her defeating super shinnok. It didnt seem natural. At least with takeda we would of had telekinetics and ninja abilities. Cassies got guns and green energy. Why do we have both johnny and sonya then? Same for Jaqui. Why choose her over tanya? Was niit Tanya one of the most played characters? I figure they wanted to develop these characters into people we like.

Characters like Subzero scorpion reptile kitana liu kang etc are the characters that maxd mortal kombat what it is today, not these gadget and gun toting characters that dont seem to be master martial artists and top of the liine fighters/assassins with honed abilities. How could you not include smoke!!!! Cmon who is making these decisions. Did people really want cassie over smoke? I think its for the developemnt of the story. However, there is sooooo much poteential in characters like sareena, havik, fujin and even takeda.

Instead we get the children of jax and cassie, theeyre parents were a lot more interesting imo.

I dont think they are listening to the fans and are moreso choosing the characters to include based off their own agenda. With that said i think they planned on including the characters we REALLY want as dlc, to get more money. I think the classic and interesting ccharacters will be teased as dlc not long after initial release. Nobody would buy jacqui nor cassie for dlc, but they will sure buy smoke, ermac, fujin, havik or rain. Mark my words.

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04/06/2019 06:22 PM (UTC)Edited 04/06/2019 06:26 PM (UTC)
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"I didn't mean it literally when I said they added 2 moves. It was just an example what some devs do and people fall for it and your comment I quoted sounded like you are one of those people."
My comment didn't sound like that- you made a random assumption that literally had very little relation to my actual point. Where does my statement even correlate with me being fine with a character just being given two moves and it being called a day? I've said already, and you agreed, that Jacqui has been truly revamped- so you know who I was speaking about- so I have no idea why you decided to take that and make it about the price of tea in China.
"It does have to do with Jacqui and all the other characters that people, and by people I mean majority, hasn't asked for."
So EVERY character that appears in a Mortal Kombat game has to be a character that's demanded? Is that what you're saying? Because frankly, the rosters have NEVER worked like that. They do bring back highly demanded characters- but that has never been the requirement for EVERY returning character. Nor should it be. Otherwise every game should just have Armageddon sized rosters. Some characters they may choose to bring back because they want too, it isn't always because of what you want. Which is good, because there were some original MKX Jacqui fans who wanted her back and they shouldn't have to go without their favorite just because you and a few other whiners feel superior.
Good on them!
And if this is "not taking a spot" from someone else then why is that someone not added as well?
Who says that someone else isn't? Who specifically are you talking about? Everyone has their own favorites and some of those favorites are in MK11 right alongside Jacqui. Are you talking about Rain? Fujin? Who? When you're talking about the fanbase then you have to be very specific because the fanbase is comprised of hundreds of millions of people across the globe- each with their very own favorite character.
Probably because they have limited time and resources, they can't include every single character so that means it is "taking someone else's spot".
Not if that character was never intended to be in the game in the first place. You're getting ridiculous. If that's the case, we can say Sonya is taking the spot of Vorpax from the Mortal Kombat Conquest TV series. We can say Geras is taking Art Lean's spot. I mean this madness never ends. Nobody is taking anyone's spot.
"he didn't make the cut not because Jacqui took his spot- but because NRS didn't want him in". Does that answer OP's question then?
Sure. If you want to be narrow-minded about this. But considering the fact that 87% of the roster are returning favorites from Jade to Kabal to Noob Saibot to Skarlet to Frost to Baraka to Shang Tsung and even fucking Shao Kahn- I say yes, they are listening to fans. But some choices they make are their own and do they not deserve that?
Or have the MK fanbase grown as greedy and selfish as the rest of society has in the 2010s?
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04/06/2019 06:25 PM (UTC)
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I see rain mentioned throughout the entire internet, whether it be here or youtube commesnts whereever, how can they not have him in the roster? Fujin was heavily requested as well. You figure he would have real role in the story especially with raiden going dark. I hope they flesh out these characters some more, and include more lore. That's what makes MK special.

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04/06/2019 07:10 PM (UTC)
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"I didn't mean it literally when I said they added 2 moves. It was just an example what some devs do and people fall for it and your comment I quoted sounded like you are one of those people."
My comment didn't sound like that- you made a random assumption that literally had very little relation to my actual point. Where does my statement even correlate with me being fine with a character just being given two moves and it being called a day? I've said already, and you agreed, that Jacqui has been truly revamped- so you know who I was speaking about- so I have no idea why you decided to take that and make it about the price of tea in China.
"It does have to do with Jacqui and all the other characters that people, and by people I mean majority, hasn't asked for."
So EVERY character that appears in a Mortal Kombat game has to be a character that's demanded? Is that what you're saying? Because frankly, the rosters have NEVER worked like that. They do bring back highly demanded characters- but that has never been the requirement for EVERY returning character. Nor should it be. Otherwise every game should just have Armageddon sized rosters. Some characters they may choose to bring back because they want too, it isn't always because of what you want. Which is good, because there were some original MKX Jacqui fans who wanted her back and they shouldn't have to go without their favorite just because you and a few other whiners feel superior.
Good on them!
And if this is "not taking a spot" from someone else then why is that someone not added as well?
Who says that someone else isn't? Who specifically are you talking about? Everyone has their own favorites and some of those favorites are in MK11 right alongside Jacqui. Are you talking about Rain? Fujin? Who? When you're talking about the fanbase then you have to be very specific because the fanbase is comprised of hundreds of millions of people across the globe- each with their very own favorite character.
Probably because they have limited time and resources, they can't include every single character so that means it is "taking someone else's spot".
Not if that character was never intended to be in the game in the first place. You're getting ridiculous. If that's the case, we can say Sonya is taking the spot of Vorpax from the Mortal Kombat Conquest TV series. We can say Geras is taking Art Lean's spot. I mean this madness never ends. Nobody is taking anyone's spot.
"he didn't make the cut not because Jacqui took his spot- but because NRS didn't want him in". Does that answer OP's question then?
Sure. If you want to be narrow-minded about this. But considering the fact that 87% of the roster are returning favorites from Jade to Kabal to Noob Saibot to Skarlet to Frost to Baraka to Shang Tsung and even fucking Shao Kahn- I say yes, they are listening to fans. But some choices they make are their own and do they not deserve that?
Or have the MK fanbase grown as greedy and selfish as the rest of society has in the 2010s?

"She looks badass and has some epic gameplay. That in and of itself is worthy of a spot imo." How does that not sound like that? They improved her and now she deserves a spot? Without seeing what they can do with many others? And if you want me to be specific, yes I meant the likes of Rain, Fujin, Smoke. And if it is about business, why not include more requested characters especially those who haven't been in the last game or even last couple of games? Comment below yours is basically my point. There are much more requested, interesting characters left out (lore and gameplay potential wise) but another special forces character, the daughter of the other special forces character, stays in. Ok, their choice and they deserve it but they could be more creative at least.

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04/06/2019 07:22 PM (UTC)
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"I didn't mean it literally when I said they added 2 moves. It was just an example what some devs do and people fall for it and your comment I quoted sounded like you are one of those people."
My comment didn't sound like that- you made a random assumption that literally had very little relation to my actual point. Where does my statement even correlate with me being fine with a character just being given two moves and it being called a day? I've said already, and you agreed, that Jacqui has been truly revamped- so you know who I was speaking about- so I have no idea why you decided to take that and make it about the price of tea in China.
"It does have to do with Jacqui and all the other characters that people, and by people I mean majority, hasn't asked for."
So EVERY character that appears in a Mortal Kombat game has to be a character that's demanded? Is that what you're saying? Because frankly, the rosters have NEVER worked like that. They do bring back highly demanded characters- but that has never been the requirement for EVERY returning character. Nor should it be. Otherwise every game should just have Armageddon sized rosters. Some characters they may choose to bring back because they want too, it isn't always because of what you want. Which is good, because there were some original MKX Jacqui fans who wanted her back and they shouldn't have to go without their favorite just because you and a few other whiners feel superior.
Good on them!
And if this is "not taking a spot" from someone else then why is that someone not added as well?
Who says that someone else isn't? Who specifically are you talking about? Everyone has their own favorites and some of those favorites are in MK11 right alongside Jacqui. Are you talking about Rain? Fujin? Who? When you're talking about the fanbase then you have to be very specific because the fanbase is comprised of hundreds of millions of people across the globe- each with their very own favorite character.
Probably because they have limited time and resources, they can't include every single character so that means it is "taking someone else's spot".
Not if that character was never intended to be in the game in the first place. You're getting ridiculous. If that's the case, we can say Sonya is taking the spot of Vorpax from the Mortal Kombat Conquest TV series. We can say Geras is taking Art Lean's spot. I mean this madness never ends. Nobody is taking anyone's spot.
"he didn't make the cut not because Jacqui took his spot- but because NRS didn't want him in". Does that answer OP's question then?
Sure. If you want to be narrow-minded about this. But considering the fact that 87% of the roster are returning favorites from Jade to Kabal to Noob Saibot to Skarlet to Frost to Baraka to Shang Tsung and even fucking Shao Kahn- I say yes, they are listening to fans. But some choices they make are their own and do they not deserve that?
Or have the MK fanbase grown as greedy and selfish as the rest of society has in the 2010s?

"She looks badass and has some epic gameplay. That in and of itself is worthy of a spot imo." How does that not sound like that?

Jacqui didn't look badass, nor did she have epic gameplay in MKX. She does now. That's a HUGE improvement- you were trying to downplay that- THAT'S what I was responding too.

And yes, in my book, that is worthy of having a spot in this game. She earned it.

If you want to argue that Rain/Fujin/Smoke and others DESERVE a spot in MK11- Then I am not arguing AGAINST that. Anyone who's been here for the last fifteen years knows that I've been advocating for 3D era characters, obscure characters, and characters who have potential- to finally get their time to shine. How many arguments I've been in over this subject. I'M ON YOUR SIDE.

Where we differ however is that I will not place the blame on Jacqui for Rain/Fujin ect for not making it in. I just won't do that.

Jacqui earned her spot fair and square. She's in.

You can fight for Rain/Fujin and other character's potential to be maximized without downing another.

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04/07/2019 02:11 PM (UTC)Edited 04/07/2019 02:15 PM (UTC)
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Maybe bc NRS wants to push unlikeable characters to the point where we like them. Or atleast they try to make us like them. And NRS nowdays is dumbing down ninja/ eastern inspired characteristics. What is very unfortunate imo. Takeda, kung jin were more martial arts based than the returning characters in a eastern way.

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04/07/2019 02:44 PM (UTC)
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Maybe bc NRS wants to push unlikeable characters to the point where we like them. Or atleast they try to make us like them.

That's better than creating a character, some fans not liking them, and then leaving them to rot until the end of time.

That's the way most of the characters people want in this game have been treated in the past. Glad NRS is breaking the cycle.

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04/07/2019 03:06 PM (UTC)Edited 04/07/2019 03:07 PM (UTC)
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Maybe bc NRS wants to push unlikeable characters to the point where we like them. Or atleast they try to make us like them.

That's better than creating a character, some fans not liking them, and then leaving them to rot until the end of time.

That's the way most of the characters people want in this game have been treated in the past. Glad NRS is breaking the cycle.

Sure, that is alot better than leave them out and not try to improve them. Aslong its not all about that. I agree

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04/08/2019 03:53 PM (UTC)Edited 04/08/2019 03:54 PM (UTC)
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I think NRS (at least, Ed Boon) truly thinks Jacqui is a fan favorite. He said it himself during the C2E2 event in March. In all honestly, not many people liked her and most people used her for online play because they could spam the moves in her Shotgun variation. I feel like NRS chooses who they want to be in the roster, and then sees if people like them. If only a handful likes them, then to NRS, it's enough to immediately label those characters as "fan favorites".

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I think NRS (at least, Ed Boon) truly thinks Jacqui is a fan favorite. He said it himself during the C2E2 event in March. In all honestly, not many people liked her and most people used her for online play because they could spam the moves in her Shotgun variation. I feel like NRS chooses who they want to be in the roster, and then sees if people like them. If only a handful likes them, then to NRS, it's enough to immediately label those characters as "fan favorites".

Even if Jacqui does become a fan-favorite after MK11(she's on her way)- you people will still keep bringing up MKX to discredit her.

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04/09/2019 02:27 AM (UTC)Edited 04/09/2019 02:31 AM (UTC)
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Maybe bc NRS wants to push unlikeable characters to the point where we like them. Or atleast they try to make us like them. And NRS nowdays is dumbing down ninja/ eastern inspired characteristics. What is very unfortunate imo. Takeda, kung jin were more martial arts based than the returning characters in a eastern way.

Ah the Disney Star Wars approach.

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First impressions are important. Look at Stryker, he was fully redeemed in MK9 but people are still going to refer to MK3 and call him Uncle Joey in a Mall Cop halloween costume.

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First impressions are important. Look at Stryker, he was fully redeemed in MK9 but people are still going to refer to MK3 and call him Uncle Joey in a Mall Cop halloween costume.

Well there goes any hope for Reiko....

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04/09/2019 06:54 PM (UTC)Edited 04/09/2019 06:57 PM (UTC)
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Maybe bc NRS wants to push unlikeable characters to the point where we like them. Or atleast they try to make us like them. And NRS nowdays is dumbing down ninja/ eastern inspired characteristics. What is very unfortunate imo. Takeda, kung jin were more martial arts based than the returning characters in a eastern way.

Ah the Disney Star Wars approach.

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First impressions are important. Look at Stryker, he was fully redeemed in MK9 but people are still going to refer to MK3 and call him Uncle Joey in a Mall Cop halloween costume.

I don't see anyone doing that.

At the end of the day, with how MK3 has aged, Stryker doesn't look any more silly to younger fans than almost every other character did in that 24 year old game. The only people who still refer to his MK3 design to discredit his character are probably old heads who haven't played a MK game post '97.

Besides, after MK3/UMK3/MKT- Stryker was benched for a decade. That's not the same with Jacqui- she's immediately returning COMPLETELY revamped. She's already have won a ton of fans over.

So anyone who uses MKX to discredit her DESPITE the vast improvement her character has undergone- is someone who obviously just doesn't want to give her a chance.

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