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MortalMushroom
04/13/2019 08:10 PM (UTC)Edited 04/15/2019 10:21 PM (UTC)
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I would say they ARE microtransactions, and I do have concerns about them. I think it will be okay as long as 1) it remains true that they cannot be used to get augmentations, i.e. anything that affects gameplay competitively, and 2) that all cosmetic items they can unlocked can be gotten through playing the game without any additional purchases.

I would add one more stipulation that there is not excessive grinding, or imposing limits on how much "credit" you can get, such as a daily cap on how many items you can unlock. Other games have previously done that as a loophole of sorts, and it had been heavily panned, rightfully in my opinion.

If this is just the "lazy" way for players who just want to get straight into online play without doing single player stuff or taking time to get all the stuff they want, I don't have a problem with it.

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04/14/2019 11:37 AM (UTC)
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This thread at this point is just complaining to complain and nothing more.

Nobody is forcing you to read it or respond to it.

And nobody is forcing you to respond to me. And everybody is allowed to respond. This isn't a forum where. If you don't agree, you don't get to answer. The fact still stands that this thread is about complaining about NRS about stuff they aren't even doing.
So yeah, I do reply because I seriously wonder how many are "fans", because if you are attacking the developers for stuff they aren't even doing...

But yeah, this is my last reply to this thread. The thread with the "toned down sex in MK" is already toxic. Here we have another thread. This isn't about gaming anymore or even constructive criticism, this is just a "conspiracy theory" thread.

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04/14/2019 11:38 AM (UTC)
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I would say they ARE microtransactions, and I do have concerns about them. I think it will be okay as long as 1) it remains true that they cannot be used to get augmentations, i.e. anything that affects gameplay competitively, and 2) that all cosmetic items they can unlocked can be gotten through playing the game without any additional purchases.

I would add one more stipulation that there is not excessive grinding, or imposing limits on how much "credit" you can get, such as a daily cap on how many items you can unlock. Other games have previously done that as a loophole of sorts, and it had been heavily lauded, rightfully in my opinion.

If this is just the "lazy" way for players who just want to get straight into online play without doing single player stuff or taking time to get all the stuff they want, I don't have a problem with it.

And also this ^

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04/14/2019 07:21 PM (UTC)Edited 04/14/2019 08:06 PM (UTC)
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This thread at this point is just complaining to complain and nothing more.

Nobody is forcing you to read it or respond to it.

And nobody is forcing you to respond to me. And everybody is allowed to respond. This isn't a forum where. If you don't agree, you don't get to answer. The fact still stands that this thread is about complaining about NRS about stuff they aren't even doing.
So yeah, I do reply because I seriously wonder how many are "fans", because if you are attacking the developers for stuff they aren't even doing...

But yeah, this is my last reply to this thread. The thread with the "toned down sex in MK" is already toxic. Here we have another thread. This isn't about gaming anymore or even constructive criticism, this is just a "conspiracy theory" thread.

Your post was complaining about complainers.

I never said you weren't allowed to respond, and I never told you not to. Don't twist my words.

I'm not a fan of any studio and have never claimed to be.
I'm a fan of specific games / series, and I've been playing MK from the 90s and own all MK games (except MK4 which I only ever rented). It's one of my favourite pieces of fiction/media and has some of my all time favourite characters. I'm a huge fan.
But like studios; I'm not a blind fanboy for anything. I'm not going to ignore truths and deny any and all criticism. MK, NRS, and WB are far from perfect and are in no way the most consumer-friendly companies in the industry like people in this thread are claiming.

I've pointed out what the devs ARE doing, by their own admission - and what this usually leads to 99 times out of 100 within the games industry. Things that WB themselves have actually done in the past. And yet people are in denail to this industry-wide problem (that is proven fact and widely known) and are trying to claim that this will never happen to MK ever.

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04/14/2019 07:28 PM (UTC)
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The man said, point blank, it’s used to buy cosmetics and easy fatalities. If you don’t want to use them, you don’t have to.

And I've explained already that game companies say this exact same thing all the time and almost always go back on their word.

I shouldn't even have to explain this. Anyone who follows the gaming industry at all should be well aware of this already. To believe otherwise is outright willful ignorance.

You don't have to, yet you've posted 5 times shooting down anyone who is even cautiously optimistic that this isnt as insidious as you're making it out to be.

You had your mind made up from the moment you made this thread. You're not looking to warn uninformed consumers or debate the pros and cons, you're looking to bash everyone over the head with you're "the entire industry is out to get us" paranoia. If you don't want to partake, simply cancel your preorder, if applicable, and sit on the sidelines and keep saying I told you so.

People here aren't "cautiously optimistic" - they're outright denying these things happening within the games industry at all. Even going as far to say it's a "conspiracy theory".

How is it "paranoia" when it's the industry norm?

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04/14/2019 07:37 PM (UTC)Edited 04/14/2019 08:08 PM (UTC)
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What exactly can they do to make it pay to win? Nothing really.

Sell special moves.
Sell augmentations / buffs.
Sell OP / spammable characters.

But how can a special move be considered pay to win? You can still learn what it does and how to block it. Unless it's unblockable and safe.
Not sure what you mean about augmentations / buffs, there are no stats in this game.
New characters will be DLC so that's obviously pay to play anyway.

Also, none of that will be available for ranked except new characters so again, how is it pay to win?

People are always complaining certain moves, and by extension certain characters are OP and spammed too much. If such special moves/characters are behind another pay-wall after having already bought the game: that's pay-to-win.

The guy talking about Time Krytals talked about "augmentations" and said they were separate from gear as they affect gameplay.

Ranked or not, if it's available in multiplayer at all it could give one person an advantage over another.
If singleplayer / local-MP only, it wouldn't be an issue. But it wouldn't take much for them to change their minds on that later, after everyone has bought the game. It's happened in a number of other games.

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04/14/2019 08:55 PM (UTC)
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I would add one more stipulation that there is not excessive grinding, or imposing limits on how much "credit" you can get, such as a daily cap on how many items you can unlock. Other games have previously done that as a loophole of sorts, and it had been heavily lauded, rightfully in my opinion.

I think you mean heavily panned.

To 'laud' is to highly praise.

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04/14/2019 10:58 PM (UTC)
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The man said, point blank, it’s used to buy cosmetics and easy fatalities. If you don’t want to use them, you don’t have to.

And I've explained already that game companies say this exact same thing all the time and almost always go back on their word.

I shouldn't even have to explain this. Anyone who follows the gaming industry at all should be well aware of this already. To believe otherwise is outright willful ignorance.

You don't have to, yet you've posted 5 times shooting down anyone who is even cautiously optimistic that this isnt as insidious as you're making it out to be.

You had your mind made up from the moment you made this thread. You're not looking to warn uninformed consumers or debate the pros and cons, you're looking to bash everyone over the head with you're "the entire industry is out to get us" paranoia. If you don't want to partake, simply cancel your preorder, if applicable, and sit on the sidelines and keep saying I told you so.

People here aren't "cautiously optimistic" - they're outright denying these things happening within the games industry at all. Even going as far to say it's a "conspiracy theory".

How is it "paranoia" when it's the industry norm?

We all know it happens in the industry, the point is, it’s not happening HERE. I get it, it’s a slippery slope, but even “Injustice 2: Loot Boxes Among Us” was not a “pay to win” game. Why, after stripping away loot boxes and RNG bullshit for this game, would they go the pay to win route?

And lets not forget, MKX and I2 added and altered moves multiple times without charging a dime.

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04/15/2019 12:50 AM (UTC)
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People are always complaining certain moves, and by extension certain characters are OP and spammed too much. If such special moves/characters are behind another pay-wall after having already bought the game: that's pay-to-win.

So DLC characters that are good = pay to win?

I don't think so but to be fair that is heavily opinion based. In the case of smash bros and how OP bayonetta was, maybe smash bros was pay to win too? Pretty sure that is the worst case of a DLC character being OP and if you are going to argue that smash bros was pay to win I don't think you have a solid leg to stand on.

However, that is beside the point I wanted to make in this thread.

I remember thinking the exact same thing @scorpion1813 is thinking when easy fatalities and skips were under the domain of micro transactions in MKX.

I was wrong, nothing came of it. They were harmless and I expect the same this time around.

Micro transactions for cosmetics are GREAT. I love it. I will never spend a dime on it, but I LOVE it. Fortnite did it very well. They made a shit ton of money but I could run around with my default skin and could destroy the guy that spent 100's of dollars on the game because that fancy costume doesn't change the way the game plays.

I expect the micro transactions to be mostly cosmetic, some progression speed up stuff, and worst case those augments that you can use in single player (and I think only in single player). I could be wrong about this but that seems to be the case.

I am not worried about the micro transactions effecting the game in a major way and I am definitely not worried about micro transactions turning the game into pay to win.

I am someone who is cheap as fuck and has a damn good record of playing free to play but "pay to win" games and not spending money on them. I am confident that these micro transactions will not negatively impact my enjoyment of the game.

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Spirit_Wolf
04/15/2019 04:16 PM (UTC)Edited 04/15/2019 04:17 PM (UTC)
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You won't be able to buy anything that alters your characters actual combat prowess or moves, however, such as custom moves or augments (which are the stat modifiers you plug into gear), as well as the consumable power-ups you can use in the Towers of Time mode. NetherRealm has stated in the past they're open to adding additional moves post-launch as DLC, though if they were implemented, they'd likely be free.

You can, however, earn everything in the game without paying for it. "Nothing in the game requires time crystals," Himmerick said. "You can play the whole game, unlock all the stuff there, without every dealing with time crystals. If you want, you can get time crystals and shortcut your way to different things." He also stated that time crystals would drop throughout normal play.

Source - Gameinformer: https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/04/12/mortal-kombat-11-has-a-way-to-buy-cosmetic-items-with-real-money

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04/15/2019 10:22 PM (UTC)
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I would add one more stipulation that there is not excessive grinding, or imposing limits on how much "credit" you can get, such as a daily cap on how many items you can unlock. Other games have previously done that as a loophole of sorts, and it had been heavily lauded, rightfully in my opinion.

I think you mean heavily panned.

To 'laud' is to highly praise.

Thanks! Fixed :p

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