Liu Kang and The Dragon
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posted01/13/2011 10:01 PM (UTC)by
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DmackRush
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Something I think would be great is if NRS elaborated more on the connection between Liu Kang and The Dragon inside of him. If there really is one. I was wondering what are your thoughts? Do you think The Dragon should just be apart of his fatality and that's it? Or do you guys think it should actually be apart of him? Like say if it is indeed apart of him it'll only come out sometime in Story Mode when he's in grave danger. Say for instance, if he's in a battle with Shinnok and Shinnok takes his Demon Form than Liu Kang can take his Dragon Form. I'm just having an open mind here about the topic.

Thoughts?
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RazorsEdge701
01/13/2011 01:03 AM (UTC)
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I don't think he literally has an animal spirit inside or something goofy like that.

I just think that, as an enlightened holy man, and the Chosen One/Champion of Mortal Kombat, he has a spiritual connection to the Elder Gods. And they look like the MK logo. So he can use a bit of their power and turn into a logo-esque dragon.
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Sub-Zero_7th
01/13/2011 01:06 AM (UTC)
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DmackRush Wrote:
Something I think would be great is if NRS elaborated more on the connection between Liu Kang and The Dragon inside of him. If there really is one. I was wondering what are your thoughts? Do you think The Dragon should just be apart if his fatality and that's it? Or do you guys think it should actually be apart of him? Like say if it is indeed apart of him it'll only come out when he's in grave danger. Say for instance, if he's in a battle with Shinnok and Shinnok takes his Demon Form than Liu Kang can take his Dragon Form. I'm just having an open mind here about the topic.

Thoughts?


That's an interesting idea, and it's not really a bad one. However, in order to do a good job with it, there should not only be a good explanation behind Liu Kang's dragon form but also a good sense of limitation as well as consequence.
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DmackRush
01/13/2011 01:16 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
I don't think he literally has an animal spirit inside or something goofy like that.

I just think that, as an enlightened holy man, and the Chosen One/Champion of Mortal Kombat, he has a spiritual connection to the Elder Gods. And they look like the MK logo. So he can use a bit of their power and turn into a logo-esque dragon.


I get your point. But don't you think it'll be cool if that was explained in Story Mode somehow? Or at least NRS can elaborate on the "importance/meaning" of Liu Kang's connection with The Dragon. Not like a 15 min cut scene or nothing like that. Just a brief explanation or something would be cool.


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Devan
01/13/2011 01:17 AM (UTC)
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I love it! I hope the Dragon returns!
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RazorsEdge701
01/13/2011 01:18 AM (UTC)
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Sure, I'd like to see the source and extent of Liu Kang's "Chosen One"ness and particularly his turning into a dragon, actually addressed in the story, provided they can make it sound properly mythological and interesting, and not utterly dopey like Nightwolf using the phrase "find your Animality" in the second movie.
I fear they may not talk about how good Liu is or what he can do at all, though, and instead will have other heroes like Raiden or Kung Lao do all the villain defeating this time.
I can live with Kung Lao being the one to defeat Kahn at the very, very end of the game, mind you, because in the original MK3, it really looked like they were building him up to finally reach his ancestor's status. But If they do promote Kung Lao, I hope they actually build it up over time and have Liu be the hero at the first tournament and deal with Shang, since Shang and Liu really fit each other as archenemies.
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DmackRush
01/13/2011 01:24 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
DmackRush Wrote:
Something I think would be great is if NRS elaborated more on the connection between Liu Kang and The Dragon inside of him. If there really is one. I was wondering what are your thoughts? Do you think The Dragon should just be apart if his fatality and that's it? Or do you guys think it should actually be apart of him? Like say if it is indeed apart of him it'll only come out when he's in grave danger. Say for instance, if he's in a battle with Shinnok and Shinnok takes his Demon Form than Liu Kang can take his Dragon Form. I'm just having an open mind here about the topic.

Thoughts?


That's an interesting idea, and it's not really a bad one. However, in order to do a good job with it, there should not only be a good explanation behind Liu Kang's dragon form but also a good sense of limitation as well as consequence.


Thanks for the feedback. But I agree with you. I don't want it to be overly done or nothing. Just a cool explanation would be nice.
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DmackRush
01/13/2011 01:40 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Sure, I'd like to see the source and extend of Liu Kang's "Chosen One"ness and particularly his turning into a dragon, actually addressed in the story, provided they can make it sound properly mythological and interesting, and not utterly dopey like Nightwolf using the phrase "find your Animality" in the second movie.

I fear they may not talk about how good Liu is or what he can do at all, though, and instead will have other heroes like Raiden or Kung Lao do all the villain defeating this time.

I can live with Kung Lao being the one to defeat Kahn at the very, very end of the game, mind you, because in the original MK3, it really looked like they were building him up to finally reach his ancestor's status. But If they do promote Kung Lao, I hope they actually build it up over time and have Liu be the hero at the first tournament and deal with Shang, since Shang and Liu really fit each other as archenemies.


Completely agree with you. I think Kung Lao beating Kahn at the end of MK3 is a great idea. But I wonder would that make Kung Lao look more powerful than Liu?
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Sub-Zero_7th
01/13/2011 01:43 AM (UTC)
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I think it would be nice to have Buddhist insight into the whole dragon thing since Liu Kang is a Shaolin monk. Of course, the MK dragon logo is representative of the Elder Gods, so having that connection would be more likely to be done. If done right, having the dragon aspect with Liu Kang's character could actually give him an interesting dynamic. Perhaps this is something that he has to take a long time to learn how to control.

His power could kind of scare away his allies and would show much more of the consequences of being the Champion of Mortal Kombat. Focusing on the negative side of his victory in Shang Tsung's tournament should be a huge theme in Liu Kang's story.
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RazorsEdge701
01/13/2011 01:43 AM (UTC)
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DmackRush Wrote:
But I wonder would that make Kung Lao look more powerful than Liu?


Depending on the execution, I'd think they'd look like equals if anything. In the original MK3, Liu Kang and Kung Lao fought Shao Kahn 2-on-1. It was only because Kahn seriously injured Kung Lao, and Liu thought he was dying, that Liu beat Kahn the rest of the way by himself.

So we already know Liu CAN beat Kahn, it'd just be a matter of circumstance if this time, Kung Lao is the one who DOES beat him.
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Dragonkeeper1982
01/13/2011 03:47 AM (UTC)
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I'd love to see a new Dragon Snack Fatality altogether, it's a must

Maybe he can disappear like he does in his toasty fatality, then all a sudden the opponent holds their stomach in pain and the dragon burst out of their chest and flys out and toastys them. Then he re appears
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kingjolly
01/13/2011 04:23 AM (UTC)
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I'm not a guru on MK stories.


But if the elders gods are connected or represent dragons.....shouldnt Shinnok look like a dragon since he himself is a fallen elder god?
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TheGecko
01/13/2011 06:25 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
I'm not a guru on MK stories.


But if the elders gods are connected or represent dragons.....shouldnt Shinnok look like a dragon since he himself is a fallen elder god?



remember gods like raiden and shinnok take on human form in order to interact with mortals , atleast thats what i thought with raiden did
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PaletteSwapped
01/13/2011 06:34 AM (UTC)
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Whatever crazy shaolin magic goes into the fatality or not, I just hope that it makes a return in this game. If the feat was done on MK4, I see no reason why we couldn't get it on this game. Yes, it would have to be extremely detailed, but that would make it all the more insane to see.

Albeit, it would overshadow almost every other fatality in the game.
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Vasculio
01/13/2011 06:55 AM (UTC)
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Liu being able to turn into a dragon is awsome.. others is not so awsome.. hell my favorite characters animality is a freaking Ant Eater confused
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PaletteSwapped
01/13/2011 07:03 AM (UTC)
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Which was soooo amusing by the way. C'mon. You had to of chuckled the first time. I do agree that Liu is the only one that should have this and as a fatality. Except for maybe Nightwolf.
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01/13/2011 08:03 AM (UTC)
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I'm all for it, but only if Khan gets to turn into a multi-headed hydra beast.
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01/13/2011 08:19 AM (UTC)
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LeoBrZ81 Wrote:
I'm all for it, but only if Khan gets to turn into a multi-headed hydra beast.


LOL, I see what you did there. tongue
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DmackRush
01/13/2011 04:50 PM (UTC)
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PaletteSwapped Wrote:
Whatever crazy shaolin magic goes into the fatality or not, I just hope that it makes a return in this game. If the feat was done on MK4, I see no reason why we couldn't get it on this game. Yes, it would have to be extremely detailed, but that would make it all the more insane to see.

Albeit, it would overshadow almost every other fatality in the game.


Yeah I pretty much agree with your statement.
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DmackRush
01/13/2011 04:55 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I think it would be nice to have Buddhist insight into the whole dragon thing since Liu Kang is a Shaolin monk. Of course, the MK dragon logo is representative of the Elder Gods, so having that connection would be more likely to be done. If done right, having the dragon aspect with Liu Kang's character could actually give him an interesting dynamic. Perhaps this is something that he has to take a long time to learn how to control.

His power could kind of scare away his allies and would show much more of the consequences of being the Champion of Mortal Kombat. Focusing on the negative side of his victory in Shang Tsung's tournament should be a huge theme in Liu Kang's story.


Yeah I agree, I just hope that Scorpion doesnt get most of the attention from NRS this time around. I understand he's Ed's favorite character in all but they show Scorpion way too much favortism to the point where he is starting to bore the Audience (us). IMO
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Sub-Zero_7th
01/13/2011 05:07 PM (UTC)
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I would think that Raiden would be the male character that is focused on the most in this game since he is the main hero of the story. However, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we do get a lot of appearances by Scorpion. Honestly, with this new game, I don't expect the story mode to be anything particularly too deep or interesting. It's a shame really. Mortal Kombat may have started out as a quick project and parody of Street Fighter, but it's story and characters could actually be fleshed out in a way that actually sucks people in.

Going back to Liu Kang, his main problem is that he wasn't too well-fleshed out. That combined with making him the victor in the first 4 MKs gives off that vibe that he's this bland, goody-goody hero that's always there to save the day. However, there are little elements here and there such as his MK4 ending or the bits in John Tobias' MK2 comic. Impact and consequence should be key to Liu Kang's story.

His dragon form could begin to arise in the MK2 timeline after Liu Kang finds his fellow bretheren dead.
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RazorsEdge701
01/13/2011 05:44 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I would think that Raiden would be the male character that is focused on the most in this game since he is the main hero of the story.


I wouldn't be so sure. His bio on the website says he's still looking for a champion, not quite planning on doing things himself.
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DmackRush
01/13/2011 10:01 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I would think that Raiden would be the male character that is focused on the most in this game since he is the main hero of the story.


I wouldn't be so sure. His bio on the website says he's still looking for a champion, not quite planning on doing things himself.


True. But honestly, I was never a fan of "Raiden taking his mortal form and taking on the bad guys blah blah blah" I like Raiden best where he's taking the back seat, giving orders and only intervening when things get a bit too chaotic and out of control. It makes the Earthrealm characters look weak when he gets involved unless he's going up against a Shinnok, Quan Chi or Shao Kahn type of character.
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